Regardless of whether or not you think it was a great speech, there are certain numerical facts that are not going to change.

1) You can't spend your entire presidency giving speeches to only your base in airport hangers.

2) When you have an approval rating of 38% nationally that is continuing to slide, that should tell you that there are 62% of Americans who aren't going to airport hangers to listen to him.

3) Trumps base accounts for about 40% of the conservative party. That means that there is 60% of people of the GOP that are willing to turn their backs on him should the situation arise.

Analysis. Trump's message is not only failing to reach ANY Democrats, his reach outside of his base only extends via the goodwill of the GOP and their base. For every percentage point nationally that he drops, these are GOP base voters fleeing. Not Democrats. It's not like the lost percentages are a mixture of positive gains in approval by Democrats or Independents thinking he is doing a bang up job.

The GOP base is starting to bleed out. When they start running harder, they will have to have somewhere to go. The GOP will have to decide then to get rid of Trump, or lose voters to Democrats or other parties.

The GOP is not dependent on the Trump base to carry them. Trump is though, dependent on the GOP base.

2018 campaigns will be underway soon. If his approval ratings are as dismal as they are now, the GOP will cut bait from him and impeach his ass for Pence.

This it the cut and dry of it. GOP senators and representatives are not going to sit by idly and let Trump drag their careers down the toilet, nor their majorities.

Making concessions and moving closer to the center is the only way approval ratings go up. Trump would have to make a major policy shift for this to happen. Frankly, he's already burnt his bridges on that anyways regardless if he tried to do it. He's already dead weight on the back of the GOP. That's the downfall of a scorched earth campaign.

Politics is learning how to pick your fights and your battles. Trump wants to fight everybody and he never can turn down a battle when presented. He's fighting on so many fronts that his base support simply can't support him. Just like a thinned out supply line. Had he came into office and shored up his connections, built a few bridges, improved his communications lines. He would have something to stand and build on.

Trump sees this presidency as a war. A hostile takeover. Ironically the guy has pushed his image as a master builder of things and the only thing he has built is a growing opposition to his war on America. You can't war with the establishment at the same time you are sticking your hand out asking for a cookie from it.

This is his downfall. You can't govern a country the way you run a business enterprise. They have a fundamentally different architecture and adhere to a completely different set of constraints. You might as well be trying to play a game of baseball using the Patriots offense playbook. What do you get? Confusion on the field. Errors. Penalties.

All it will take is just time for Trump's vision to fail. As the errors mount up and the political miscalculations mount, the consequences will become more visible to the American people. Eventually even his base. The scariest part of that is WTF has to happen that horrible to convince all these deluded people to finally get off the Titanic and admit its taking on water because its idiot Captain hit an iceberg.

There is no give Trump a chance because Trump won't give himself a chance. He won't change. Ever. He will go down with the ship and try to take as many people as he can when that happens. He doesn't understand that there is a limit and a line on political capital. He is running out of it. He has no knowledge or desire to obtain more of it. He's just spending spending spending with every tweet and ridiculous act.

Having a successful Presidency and getting re-elected requires making concessions. The only concessions Trump is interested in making are the ones that sell his shitty water and hot dogs on his golf course at the 9th tee clubhouse.

Can you please stop with this... "man" ? I'm getting sick of trump..

Mic drop. On target man

Did you just list tweets as an accomplishment? Hahahahaha, no dude you are right. What a leader. Lol Tremendous, bigly all the way. Once again that list is par for the course. Unfunded EOS don'the mean they will happen.

+1

Robbie used to have a reasonable point that he believed that Trumps economic policies re jobs should be given a chance.

Now it is like listening to Johnny-Boi's best POTUS in history bullshit.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:helpme:1orglaugh

Didn't we hear the same thing as to why he was going to LOSE the election? His approval rating is well over 50%...don't believe the FAKE NEWS. The only people who hate him are to the left of stalin - people in CA and NYC

Say Johnny, whats new in conspiracy land ?

I didn't list anything.

I plainly said I copy/pasted that from Anti-Trump site Politico

And I plainly said that I included their criticisms of him. Unlike you, I don't need to be biased and wear blinders.

I still have a "reasonable point". You guys have NONE.

Latest Economic Confidence poll:
Gallup Daily: U.S. Economic Confidence Index | Gallup

Latest stock market:
New highs on Wall Street as Dow inches up moments before the close

You guys can't see past the b.s. being fed to you.

Just remember: The media LOVED Trump. Until he ran for President as a Republican.

If he's a monster...then why were they fawning over him since the 1970's? And why did he suddenly become the most dangerous man on Earth according to them?

Use your brain. Forget about all the talking points you hear on CNN. Look and think for yourself.

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I see not much has changed around here in a month. :1orglaugh

ps. 50 divided GFY nations. The media has never loved division among the people as much as it's loving it now. :winkwink:

Elections & Campaigns are different than governing. Saying this worked in the campaign and election so it should work now is a statement in stupidity. Just like cheating on your ACT and getting into a great college doesn't mean that you're going to be able to cheat and bullshit your way through Harvard and end up on the Deans list.

You missed the point :1orglaugh

The media has a huge anti Trump bias and they lie. They knew those polls took way more democrats from the sampling. And now they're still lying after Trump won. They're doubling down

trump will go down as the most hated president in the history of the USA.

Hated by whom?

He will go down as the greatest President of all time

the republicans have everything they want now.... all 3 branches.

I'm sure they are going to do a fantastic job. Russian spy ships off the coast of Long Island no problem

things are going to go great. You'll see

When the Dems held all 3 branches they got 20 million folks health insurance using a very republican plan.. but that's a different convo

all we can do is sit back
https://media.tenor.co/images/544514...752857d53c/raw

never have so many people not wanted this president. it makes what bush went through in 2000 look like nothing. approval ratings only tend to get worse as a term goes on, so i don't see anything good in the future for trump. he certainly is not trying to bring people together at all.

Of course the media hates Trump. He's an idiot. That doesn't have to make them liars. You don't have to lie when it comes to Trump. He provides you with a plethora of true and factual things he does. Unfortunately for him those things are moronic.

How many people do you hate? Do you make up lies about them when you express it or do you just list the stupid shit that they did to you that made you hate them.

As far as the actuall polls go. Gallup is considered to be one of the most respected polling agencies there is and it is not partisan either way. There last poll had Trump at 40% the other day. That's just a fact.

Not liking facts and attempting to ignore them only serves to hurt your own platform that you believe in. Two sides to every coin. You might not like the results, but you can't make a solid plan to move in the opposite direction to improve if you don't understand where you are.

They have been lying about Trump since he announced he was running for the Republican nomination. They have slandered him and labeled him as Hitler, which is basically calling for his assassination. Their anti Trump agenda and bias gets in the way of them reporting FACTS. The mainstream media is nothing but a bunch of globalist liars

Once again, the media doesn't have to make up lies about Trump. He provides us with facts every day. It just so happens his facts are fuck ups.

1.) He rolled out a fucked up immigration order like a 3rd grade book report done in 15 minutes. FACT

2.) His NSA chief had to resign in disgrace because he was caught lying...

3-5000.) All the other dumb shit he has done on a daily basis because he can't stop tweeting.

If anything the media has done is overlook hundreds of dumb things he has done because you can't cover them all. You have to pick the best and go with it.

Trump is a walking talking fuckstick. That's not the medias fault or problem.

The media has lied and slandered Trump since he announced his running in June of 2015

They have been wrong about him every single damn time. 98.1% chance of losing! ROFL

The dynamics of the election and hidden variables that didn't come out until election day are far different than what we are dealing with now. Of course one of the most indicting examples of this is Trumps failure to move out of campaign mode to governing mode. This is exactly why his administration is in a mess. He want's all the glory, without any of the hard work.

Being wrong about the outcome of the election isn't this slam dunk indictment of the entire scope of journalism or the polls that you think it is. Even the shittiest longest odds horse can win a race every now and then, doesn't turn him into a thoroughbred and Triple Crown Contender. It just makes a few gamblers some money and think that all of a sudden they are gambling wizards. More likely than not they end up losing it back to the house.

Quinnippiac poll released today has him down to 38%. That's about as real as it gets. He's not winning anything right now.

Everybody with a rational brain gets it. We all understand how you think and operate. If you don't like what you hear, than it's a conspiracy and false. Trump logic at its core.

So you can keep beating and betting on your dead horse all you want. Winning an election doesn't mean squat if you can't do the job you were elected to do. Which is why he so desperately keeps bringing back up his win every day. It's the only thing he can hold on to.

Saw a town hall from Florida last night full of people who voted for Pres. Trump.

To a person...they all are thrilled with what he has done so far. And all of them were ecstatic that for the first time in their lives, the person they voted for was actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

And my thought on the DNC and media bashing him over his references to the campaign are this: When I see him talk about it, I hear him telling me and every other voter... that the reason he was elected was because of a movement in America to turn things around.

What I hear is him telling the country that he knows who put him there and that he is going to follow through on his promises.

You don't hear that. You listen to his words and believe the CNN narrative that he is reliving the campaign.

And that is just ONE of the differences in the big divide that Pres. Bush and Obama built up in our country.

What seems plain as day to me (and to the working people in the "rust belt" and all the other hard working "forgotten" people who went out and voted) when I listen to him...seems to be the exact OPPOSITE when I hear the elite talk show hosts posing as "reporters" on CNN.

And I'm not attacking you or arguing with you.

I'm just telling you like it is.

The hard left agenda of CNN doesn't reflect the working men and women of this country. Neither do the Hollywood elites like Meryl Streep. And neither do the "protestors" screaming at the tops of their lungs to try to get on television.

To the average hard working American...those people might as well be from Mars.

Any argument based on polls is a losing argument...they make assumptions within a certain set of statistics rules

No one expected a president to win with only 24% of the US population voting for him...the fact that such a low percentage of the entire population voted makes any poll worthless - just mathematical fact

24% of a GOP primary population with 10 other candidates in the race, no.

The final numbers in the general election with the GOP base added to Trumps core only had the two candidates a few percentage points apart on election day.

fyi....statistics are based on random mathematical sampling and don't require "large" samples in order to be on target. The entire marketing industry that is responsible for the movement of billions of dollars in the consumption of goods and services will be sad to hear from you that they've been doing it all wrong for years. Maybe you should write them a letter and educate them. Maybe they should stand outside a Casey's store and ask people coming out from buying their pack of Dorals...?

Dude I live in Central, Illinois. I'm surrounded by Republicans and Trump voters. I drink at the bar with them, play on pool league with them, a good majority of them are clients of mine. These are the same people who are showing up at these town halls.

As clear as day I can tell you, they are tired of his antics. We discuss it all the time. He's not accomplishing anything but being a drama queen every day.

I also don't need CNN to influence my brain. I'm highly educated. A 3 legged donkey could see that Trump is wanting to stick in campaign mode. It's his wheelhouse. He feel's safe there and thats where all his supporters are at. You take him out of that environment, he has to deal with the rest of America....and these people hate him. It's simply environment. A dog will go where its most comfortable. So yeah, he's stuck in campaign mode. It's the only mode that is producing any positive results for him. In the overall picture of governance of the nation though, its not going to have any positive impact and be more of a distraction.

I thought Illinois was Obama Country politically?
Or is it just Chicago and surrounding areas that have been ruled by Democrats for decades and decades?

And the town hall meetings I have seen on the news showed "normal" people questioning their Senators and Congressmen for a few minutes and THEN...small groups in the back start shouting and screaming and nobody gets to ask any more questions.

I've watched different Senators and Congressmen on the news today talking about it. The DNC is sending in it's people to shut the town hall meetings down by screaming and shouting.
And then CNN reports it as if the majority of people are "angry".

No, they aren't. The people that voted for Trump (like me) are optimistic about the future.
People are thinking that we are moving in the RIGHT direction:
Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reports?

If you look at the majority of those town hall's, the majority of people in the room are old white people. Trust me, they are conservatives. They voted for Trump but are freaking out because they don't want to lose their health insurance and don't want the republicans to fuck with their medicare and social security. It's kind of a fucked up situation. Why vote for the Republican ticket then? I hear from my aunts and uncles who are in their 70's. I hear it from their friends. Their patience with Trump is hitting critical mass.

Illinois is Democratic only at the top of the state near Chicago when it comes to Presidential. State wide it is normally Democratic for gubernatorial. Senate and Reps are usually Republicans although we have Dems mixed in state wide.

The Ramussen Report is only one against a sea of others that clearly show the countries displeasure with Trump as well as globally.

It's great that you want to be optimistic, but that's only going to last as long as their are results coming in over a long term. The lack of results so far lands squarely on Trump and his mismanaged administration. He's trying to blame the media for that so he can buy more time. That might work, it might not. He still has over 450+ senate level confirmation cabinet positions to fill. He's filled 14.

The one thing about Trump supporters is that the seem to live in this elevated sense of how nothing can go wrong and the same dynamics of politics that have evolved over hundreds of years no longer apply and can't be held to Trump to explain what's going on.

You all still have time to brag about his win, say how things are going to be great again, his fuck ups aren't over the threshold yet . Time is on your side right now. Just understand that the more time that passes and the more shit he fucks up, eventually you're going to be standing there facing reality holding your junk in your hand wondering wtf happened. Just like every other human being whose been conned.

Trump is a pathological liar and a con artist. Eventually that is going to surface in someway that is going to come at severe odds with his job. Just like putting a recovering drunk in charge of a liquor shoppe. It's just a matter of time.

Not one Trump support I talk to is "tired of his antics"...lies

Hey, it's a free country. Your opinion about Trump is just as valid for you to have as mine is.

I saw it very simply: Trump's tax ideas and economic ideas and trade ideas appealed to me.
Hillary's did not.

I (like millions of others) didn't want "business as usual". And CNN is reporting the way Trump is doing things as "Wrong".
Meanwhile, I (and millions of others) see it as "right".

And no, I'm not talking about Flynn lying to Pence. That got his ass fired for not being a team player.
Everything else? I agree with.

I'm very optimistic about the future.

But I'm not claiming I'm infallible. If I made a mistake voting for Trump it won't be the first time I made an error.
I voted for Obama in 2008.

And I feel like that was a mistake.

I hope my sense of business and economics is on target this time. My feeling on it seems to be echoed by the business community and markets as a whole.

So I hope I'm right, and I hope you're wrong. :)

Do you suck bung hole?

[QUOTE=JohnnyClips;21568318]Not one Trump support I talk to is "tired of his antics"...lies[/QUOTES]

Trump supporters who want to suck the shit out of his asshole....no

Republican base voters who came along for the ride because they had no other option....yes

Maybe you forgot the slew of Republicans who didn't want him as the candidate. You forget that whole spectacle during the primaries? They still exist. So do the GOP base voters who only voted for him because he wasn't Hillary Clinton.

[QUOTE=timlover;21570109]You're making shit up

There has not been one Trump support of the hundreds I've talked to recently who is "upset" at Trump...youre full of shit

You missed the point - the final election with two candidates - only 24% of the US population voted for Trump...and about the same for Clinton - because so many people sat out the election

And yes I understand statistics of marketing and random sampling...however when you miss 52% of your target sample group completely you might be off a little

Only 25% voted for obumma...

And that's a pretty good turnout for an election.

Most people simply never vote. They are too busy living their lives to even care about politics.

I don't agree with how that is...but it's the truth. The 2016 election was actually one of the most talked about and participated elections in a long time. But as you pointed out...it's still not a lot of people voting.

Hillary and Trump combined had less that 130 million votes (pretty good for the U.S. historically)...but there were 235,248,000 people of voting age in the country in 2012. Even more in 2016.
People just don't vote. Instead, they bitch about who won afterwards.

[QUOTE=JohnnyClips;21570118]oh hundreds? how many hundreds? 200 ?

wooow so you spoke already to 0,0005% of his voters.
that is very representative.

let´s say what your "mass of people" say after he finds himself with his coffeepot in front of the white house.

The voters who merely base their vote on one of the 2 corrupt fake parties are idiots anyway.

you're living in a naive libster bubble, detached from reality, so you cannot fathom how anyone can support Trump due to your life long brainwashing. That's why you find it so hard to believe.

The people i know here in NL who i consider as friends, almost all of them are in favor of Trump.

Thommy really IS brainwashed, poor guy...what a total cuck!