Johnson has absolutely no charisma and is not even a libertarian

He could use a little more pep in his step. Why is he not a libertarian? He says he has been since he was a teen, read a book about what a libertarian was and since then has been. He was a Republican as Governor but that's probably the same reasoning as why Sanders and Trump switched. Gotta get on the big teams to win

What he says and what he's voted for are two different things

He's a cuck

Term limits in Congress and the House of Representatives would freshen things up. Never going to happen though.

I think the debates should be open to any candidate polling more than 1%.
That 1% is a LOT of people. And of course if you aren't part of the debates you don't get any media coverage and you can't win.

As for why I didn't vote Johnson this election...2 reasons.
1. Main reason is I've never seen anything like Trump in my lifetime. He is a political unicorn and represented the opportunity for a real citizen (not a politician or lawyer) to be President. And of course his economic ideas.

2. In 2012 Johnson seemed strong and focused. I really liked him and his open talk about freedom and being "Pro-Everything" when they asked him about abortion. He straight up said he was for FREEDOM and liberty for individuals. That spoke to me.

BUT...in 2016, he just seemed goofy acting to me. The media was so anti-Trump that they mistakenly thought that Libertarians all vote Republican and they thought they could split the Republican vote if they gave Johnson some air time.

So CNN gave him a town hall that they broadcast live and CNN and MSNBC interviewed him several times in prime time.

That is when they discovered (to their shock and horror)...that Libertarians are more socially liberal than Democrats by far.
They then began attacking the hell out of Johnson and burying him. lol

But as I said...he made himself look goofy. Making weird faces and giving dumb answers to questions they asked him.

So I looked at the non-politician with similar ideas to mine on economics VS the goofy guy who no longer looked strong and divisive in Johnson and went with Trump.

and what about the MILLIONS of fat what are getting sick and unable to work from mc donalds and all the other junk food labels - do you not want to prohibit them also with THE SAME argument?

I think a lot of people felt that way, were you also in the mindset that perhaps a lot of what he was doing was pandering to the Republican base in order to win the nomination and would turn out to be far more liberal? I honestly thought a lot of it was show, it's still incredibly early but from what you see has your opinion needle in regards to him moved at all?

first of all robbie, my big compliment for being that brave to be the one in the middle who takes the hits from both sited.
I really like to read your posting here they are very different to the extremes we have here.

you are also completely right with what you stand for - I think here is nobody who really would prefer Hillary if there would be another candidate.

But the fish starts to stink from his head - and I TOTALLY agree with you that this what is called democracy in US is not even in the near of that.

i can NEVER understand how it can happen that a candidate what is definitely getting fewer votes as his rival can win the elections and it is still called democracy.
this election system STINKS up to the sky and has to be reformed URGENTLY.

i mean there are not really perfect democracies in the world - I would say that the swiss democracy is at least the best existing (also not perfect) but that is FAR from what is present in USA.

I think humanly you have trump already well-recognized (even if it all sounds quite harmless from you).

But as far as professionalism is concerned, you are probably right next to it if you expect a better economy through it.
From the political point of view, he is doing pretty much everything wrong.

The disaster is that "normal people" are not able to see the backgrounds when they report a change in the statistical formula for calculating the foreign trade deficit on the margins. The normal citizen knows nothing about it and does not want to know it either.


So he does not know what immense document falsification and spreading lies is behind it.


He is already preparing a formula what will make the historical numbers worse and I am sure he have in mind to change that formula again after a period he is the oval office. What makes him look as the better one (and he knows already that he won´t be that)


I do not know if you have read about that and because of the complexity of this theme, the popular media don´t even touch it in the headlines.

That kind of strategy has NOTHING to do with better economics and the ideas he has around that CAN NOT work because they are completely against all logic and the complexity of a global market.

This boomerang will not fall back only to the USA (but it will hit the USA most) it will bring the whole world in a crisis were the 2008 crisis was a kiddy game in compare.

Indeed I am quite sure, that also the republican party have some smart heads who can see that already and they are prepared for the day when they have to kick him out. But what happens AFTER him?
Generations of "next presidents" have to try to fix that again and it gives generations of "next presidents" an apology for their own inability because until then America will know that Trump was by far the most stupid idea they had in the past 500 years.

thommy, a lot of what you are saying is conjecture.

Trump has already proved the "experts" wrong on the economy right out of the gate.

Check out some of these predictions the "Experts" made that have already been proven 100% wrong:
Economists: A Trump win would tank the markets - POLITICO

Donald Trump: A Huge Hedge Fund Predicts a Stock Market Correction | Fortune.com

I can keep posting those links because there are so many of them.
The media and the "experts" did everything they could to report "fake news" to stop Trump.

Reality? The stock market has risen to a new record. And over 2.9 TRILLION dollars in new wealth has been created from the stock market since the day of Trump's election.

The business community KNOWS that Trump's administration is "business friendly" as opposed to Pres. Obama's who had a contentious relationship with business at best.

That is what I voted for. The economy.

We have all been told by that same media and "experts" that we can never have a great economy again...and as you are saying: it's sooooo "complicated" in a global economy.

I don't think so myself. I think it's pretty damn simple.
The politicians got rich while shipping our jobs overseas.

Trump is changing that.
Now we will see if the media and the "experts" are right...or if they were lying to us and will end up wrong again.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

One thing is for sure...if things had just kept going the way they were, we were heading downward.
At least Trump represents a change from the status quo

lol, dork :thumbsup:thumbsup

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where they were wrong is definately the timing but not in the essence.

i ask you a question: what would you do if you are a multibillion dollar chinese who want to make more out of your money. The economy and interest rate is low and the worldwide markets are too regulated to make the fast cash.

Now suddenly a country loosens its rules. You as a clever businessman knows that this will have a short winding up before the crash comes.
So you will pump a lot of shortterm capital into this market, what will be followed by

A. The markets are exploding and giant wins are possible in a short time

B. The currency of this country gains in value because the investment has to be made in dollars and thus the dollar demand rises.

Both have happened. The markets are being pumped out with foreign money, and these profits WILL GO BACK INTO THE COUNTROIES THEY CAME FROM, because by the rise of the dollar the US economy will be even less able to export and the order situation will be worse - the company profits go down and the shares fall.

if you would have asked me before I would tell you EXACTLY that.

what you also not have in mind is that a crash on the stock markets poors only the majority, the middleclass. infact there is NEVER a lost in stockmarkets because the money can not fly away - it is only in OTHER hands. with the last crash the multi billionairs of this world doubled up their capital. BECAUSE a crash makes THEM RICH!

The economy is a giving and taking. If someone takes all and gives nothing back it can not be given to the next hand. as faster this money goes from one hand to the next as more prosperity you can see.

so the WORST for an economy are the real rich people because they have too much to spend it and they will NEVER spend it there where they smuggled it around the fiscal hand.
the ONLY way to get this money back is a global economy where money rotates around the planet - no matter where it was originally made and where it is gone after.

they do not ship your jobs overseas. they import prosperty from there because
it is not a question how much money you have in your hand. the question is how much you can buy with it.

if your idea would be correct, how could it make sense to "sanction countries" by cutting them from the global markets? that deos not make sense.
so in fact trump wants to make america again with methods what he use as sanctions to others. is that stupid or not ?

the media are not the experts - and as we both know you will find and expert who tells you something and another one the opposite.
if you see media work as kind of "fairplay" and ask 1 of each group, this is dangerous bacuse everyone can pick out the most comfortable answer for him. and the ost comfortabe is mostly not the true one.

infact media have to research where the mass of positions is because that gives the best possible chance to be correct.

in usa you have one very good example about the environment. that topic wand handled (and still is) in a "balanced reporting" so when 1000 said we have a problem and one said we do not, the took one of each group - waht made the problem only to a 50% possible one. meanwhile the whole world know about the urgency of this problem - exept the americans.

you are right - and not even that. USA is short before smashing on the floor bacause it is bancrupt since many years. they only fill up their pocket by printing money what has not more value as the paper it´s printed on.

don´t tell me that it is secured by gold, because fist of all NOBODY have seen the gold in fort knox since 40 or 50 years second of all gold price not offered and demand (are you surprised now?) In the past 50 years have 4 people from 4 banks each day telephoned each other and arranged the day's gold price in a casual chat.
a few years ago Deutsche Bank left this group on own wish because it went too hot even for this globally operating large-scale criminals.

the point is that NOBODY speak about the circuimstance that US have far overdued their creditcard limits. no - i do not only mean the people. the COUNTRY !!!
your biggest borrower is china. and BECAUSE trump is famous for bringing people who have lend him money to court and declare them to enemies, he is so fucking dangerous.

That is not an issue of his own hawker's tray whose downfall economically would not be noticed at any point in the world exept in US. Here he is dealing with countries, BIG COUNTRIES which must not submit to a corrupted judgment.

be wise and do not listen alone to what your media say (no matter if left or right) listen to what the majority of the planet say. With the position of MAJORITY you have a better chance to hear the truth.

its wayyyy to early to see what a trump presidency will do to the economy.

Seat belts serve more than one purpose. It's not just about "restraining" you to save your life. The seat belt also helps keep you in a position to better control your vehicle. It's not just about saving your life but making sure you can at least try to control your car after it's been hit but is still moving.

Same can be said for the passengers because having them strapped in place, means they will not be flying around inside the car affecting the drivers ability to get back control in-case of a spin for instance.

It's not just about saving your life but also saving others sharing the road with you.

It's not the politicians that shipped jobs overseas, it is the corporations and those jobs are never coming back to this country. If a company that used to pay an American $30 an hour to manufacture something can now open a factory in Mexico or China and pay that worker $1 dollar an hour, what makes you think they will come back here? No amount of tariffs or penalties will be enough to offset that difference. So that is never going to happen. What people do not understand or do not want to understand is the US is morphing into a service economy. The future is service not manufacturing. Adapt or die. What do you think is going to happen when we have driver-less cars? No more delivery men, Uber drivers, taxi drivers. Robotics has slowly been replacing workers in manufacturing for years and more robots are coming. Education is the key here. The Germans, Koreans, Chinese and others are way ahead of us in education, without improving our education system, they will be the ones we will be servicing. An isolationist policy will only hurt us and strengthen other countries. Get rid of free trade? To what advantage? The world is changing and if you think this current administration is going to bring jobs back to America, don't hold your breath. That's just tRump, it is not the Republican way.

Yep, outsourcing is no longer the big enemy that is going to kill jobs in America. It is robots and automation.

And yet...the jobs are still being done by humans in other countries.

I've heard the doom and gloom argument for years about automation. Same argument the unions were screaming about since the 1950's with car manufacturers.

But again...PEOPLE are still making things. And the plants and factories where they are making them have moved from the U.S. to other countries.

Today Trump put out the plan of lowering the corporate tax rate from 35 down to 15 to 20%

Imagine if you are a giant corporation making a billion dollars a year in profit.
That tax cut saves you from $150 to $200 MILLION dollars a year!

And Trump is telling them that if they bring their plants and jobs BACK to the U.S., then they are gold.
If they don't? He is going to put a border tax on their ass that will negate the savings from the corporate tax.

He is making the U.S. THE place to build your factories and jobs.

What is wrong with that?

Is automation a factor?
Yeah...it has been for the last 60 to 70 years. So what? There are still MILLIONS of jobs in this world that American companies have outsourced to other countries.

If Trump's economic policies can bring those back...that my friend is a very, very good thing.

Shareholder supremacy...Get used to it LOL

Agreed.

Sell them thru Walgreen , CVS, etc....


To Mineistaken: take care of your slovakia problem ,,,,

Automation is good

It frees the idiots up to do something else

Like crime LOL

Sure, people are still making things and they will for a while longer, but automation now is far more advanced than it was 20 years ago. I just read a story the other day about a company in China that replaced 90% of its workers with robots. Mistakes went down by 95% and productivity went up by 200%. When the countries we outsource jobs to are starting to automate that is a bad sign. Another story I saw a few months ago talked about how 80% of the manufacturing jobs that were lost in the US in the last 10 years were due to automation and not outsourcing. The CEO of McDonalds recently said that the company would stop its lobbying efforts to halt a raise in the minimum wage to $15 per hour to instead focus on automation.

Properly done, a tariff and tax breaks could help keep jobs in the US and maybe even bring some back, but I still think it is ultimately not going to matter. I think it is a short term fix. We have the technology now and automation is expanding rapidly. I won't be shocked to see large numbers of jobs disappearing over the next 10 years to automation. Self driving cars along could wipe out an entire industry.

The corporations are going to put that tax savings into the pockets of their shareholders. They are not going to build factories and bring manufacturing back to this country. This is reality, if you think otherwise you are just fooling yourself. Corporations are only interested in the bottom line, not the workers. History has borne this out countless times. Corporations are not the workers friend. This is raw capitalism at it's finest. That trickle down nonsense from the Reagan era is just smoke and mirrors.

If they can make more money then they will do it

What are we looking at here? Maybe 365 million people in this country? How many factories of any kind do you see employing let's say just 20 million? Remember that business about bringing back those coal mining jobs? There are about 60,000 coal miners out of work. Not even statistically significant compared to our total population. More smoke and mirrors. Nothing is going to happen that will make any kind of difference at all. You need to brace yourself for reality.

shareholder supremacy or primacy call it what you wish...one of the top problems in the world today...

wrong is that you still not understand the logic betwen loacal and global market and you always miss the point prosperity.

i will just give you small math example on that.

lets say you have 1000 workers who have a job in us in 10 companies.
everyone of them makes 3000 dollar per month and with this 3000 dollar they can buy the stuff what is made in us from us workers with us standard wage.
lets just do so as every product he buys cost 300 dollars - that means that everyone of them is able to buy 10 pieces of that every month.

that is what a local market is - it will be FOREVER like this because there is no additional income as what people can spend.

people will always have the same money and can buy 10 products forever and ever.

now we come to the point of global market.

here is not one who can produce the same product for 100 instead of 300 and it will be sold in us for 150.

in the same moment the 1000 workers are able to buy 11 products for their money and prosperty gains.

BUT yes there are now some jobs in danger what have to be balanced somehow.

the jobs what are in danger are NOT 100 (because the factory what produce this product have to close)!!!!!
why ?
because in this example the company sold 1000 products for 300 each month with this 100 workers - means they had a gross income of 3000 per worker
because the additional gross income (50 dollars per product imported) already produced new jobs. 1000x50= 50000/3000= 16,6 jobs created through the import.

now we need a job for the other 85 and this can be done in several ways:

1. way is to make an OWN EXPORTINDUSTRY and produce something that is better or cheaper as in other countries.
if you do that really good and with a worldwide market (what is than 1000 times bigger as this example 1000 worker market - you are able to even create MORE jobs as you have workers for. the 85 left workers are not able to do it so you need IMMIGRANTS.

this immigrant will not only do the job - they will also spend their money in the country - money what in fact is NOT AMERICAN money because it comes from EXPORTS so this workers get not paid from America they get paid from offshore.

even on this small example with fictive numbers you can see the advantage of a global market. because even when we just expand that to the left 85 workers (and NO immigrants) WHAT will be different to the start situation?

the different is PROSPERITY!!!!! because every one of the workers can afford to buy 11 instead of 10 products.

but if you INCLUDE the immigrants the count is WAYS better.

THIS is a global market and it can work always and even better because of the fact that countries can even loan money to each other.
they loan it when the currency is too strong and they let them pay back when the currency went into other direction.

no bank is needed for that - no financial service what sticks a lot in their pockets - that is just a question of GLOBAL TRUST (what is the USA right now losing in a broad range).

if people would be able to understand how global market works, they would NEVER vote for trump because "USA first" and "being partner with the world" is the same as when somebody buys Walmart, close the doors and say - from now on we do not want to have them from outside we do all alone.

what this guy tries to hoax America is not only unlogic and against all market rules - it is a lie because nobody can tell me that he have NOT ONE around him who knows about those simple and logical facts and rules he is either a liar or the most unprofessional person who ever have entered the oval office.

This is true. There will always be people left behind. In the US, with changes in the economy engine and no educational preparation, the worker always loses. Republicans do not like unions, we get that. Republicans think people should take care of themselves and the less government the better. tRump's base thinks the government should make the corporations give them jobs. They delude themselves because tRump blows smoke up their asses and they cling to any shred of hope. But those jobs are not coming and education has failed to prep them or their children for the future. Gradually they will find out that tRump cannot fulfill his promises to the lower and middle class. But the rich will get richer and you can count on that. Everybody loved Walmart until they got to know Walmart. Nobody cared about the destruction of small businesses as long as they could buy cheap. Many small towns now with just a Walmart all other small business out because they couldn't compete. Now the workers complain of part time minimum wages, thank you Walmart. The Internet brings Amazon, now Walmart is fucked. Is anyone starting to see a pattern here? If you are smart you will look forward and figure out how to cover your future ass because government is not going to do it for you. Capitalism only works when tempered with Socialism. Socialism is successful with a touch of Capitalism. You are getting no free lunch with the new administration. So continue to believe whatever makes you feel good and learn to accept your lot in this new world order.

That short term fix of a decade or so is the difference in a man feeding his family and raising his children.

Also...my thinking is: what is the logic of the Federal Govt. having trade, tax, and regulations policy's that FORCE companys to leave the U.S. with those same jobs?

Just think of all the people who have lost their jobs since the 1990's?
MILLIONS. That's over 20 years of jobs that those people could have had.

The doom and gloom scenario of everybody losing their jobs to automation is only part of the big picture.
The crooked politicians and bureaucrats in Washington D.C. cut those deals that sent actual HUMAN jobs overseas, to enrich THEMSELVES.
Ever notice how the lifetime career/bureaucrat's jobs never get "automated" or outsourced. lol

There is a reason that bureaucrats in Washington D.C. somehow get filthy rich...even though their salaries don't reflect it.
I'm tired of listening to the "experts".
I'm old enough to have agreed with Ross Perot when he said NAFTA would cause a "giant sucking sound" of our jobs leaving the country.
He was 100% right.
And all the politicians and "experts" KNEW that. But they lied to all of us to enrich themselves and their cronies who funnel money to them.

I say this: We've been lied to for decades now. And every new trade deal (like NAFTA for instance) was supposed to make things "better" for all of us. Remember?

Except it never does.

And the anti-Trump people seem to be arguing in favor of continuing to do the same old thing.
Isn't that the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
I believe it's time for a change. And I think that Trump is correct.

I know that many of you don't think so. And I know we are all just talking on a porn forum so it doesn't matter.
But I am optimistic about the future. I only hope that Trump can navigate all the political land mines that the Democrats and Republican establishment have laid out to stop him.

They are scared to death to lose their gravy train.

I don't see any improvements with Trump so far. How long until I see prices and/or interest rates go down or more money in my bank account? Rough estimate... how much longer with no excuses?

the point is really education.
to understand economy and markets is a very complicated thing.

i always thought before that americans have more clue about economics as the rest of the world especially because they had to go for their old-age-provision a risky private way.

but what i see, hear and read makes me think opposite meanwhile.

I give you an example:
In USA it was allowed to sell you a live insureance with a promis that you will get 500.000 out after you paid 100.000 in
that was in fact true, but 500.000 BEFORE reducing provisions of up to 60% !!!!!
they where even able to debit this provisions to your insurance account year by year and take them off at the end PLUS INTEREST for all this time.

that was one of the things obama has regulated because it is fooling.

now trump canceled it and so called "financial services" are free to fool the people again.

but HOW can people ever understand that when their only knowledge is founded on how to clean a smith&wesson ?

well, you do not get the economic fact correct but you have the corruption fact correctly interpreted.

so at least this part I would sign in when you just change this sentence :

to this:

But I am optimistic about the future. I only hope that SOMEONE SMART AND INCORRUPT can navigate all the political land mines that the Democrats and Republican establishment have laid out to stop him.

because from all that you said about corruption and using the power for own profits
you have chosen the THE MASTER OF DESTASTER with trump.

I've already seen more money in my bank account thanks to a new partnership in mainstream that came about because my new partner was ready to invest when Trump beat Hillary.

His projected corporate tax savings gave him reason to use that newly free collateral to start a new business.

Been getting a nice chunk of change deposited weekly in my bank account from that deal since Jan. 6th.

Meanwhile the Stock Market has reached new records since the day that Trump was elected and $2.9 trillion dollars in new wealth has already been created just from that.

Interest rates will probably continue to rise. The Obama Administration had the Fed keep them at unnatural low rates in order to keep the economy from completely sinking. It was the only way for him to do it with his anti-biz policies.

As for YOU personally seeing anything...I can't tell you.
I have no idea if you have ever made any real money, or have any good business sense, or good work ethic.

I only know you from GFY. You seem like a nice guy. But I don't know you well enough to know if you kick ass in making money.
I only know that while a lot of snowflakes have been crying the blues...I'm moving forward and turning my own personal financial ship around.
Less taxes...the end of ObamaCare? Yes. Both of those things benefit my family.

You mean I don't have it correct according to YOUR opinion.

And I know that you have formed your thoughts based on your own life experience and education.

So have I.

And I am going to have to go with MY thoughts on it.

Going with what I think has been very successful for me in my career. So, with no disrespect...I'm gonna continue to come to my own conclusions. :)

I want to share this OLDER ARTICLE FROM PAST NOVEMBER with you, that you can see that it is NOT TRUE that someone did not forsee what will happen - and now you can see that all what they wrote (without any negative fake news style) came true.

especially look in the purple field WHAT shares came up and wich one have lost.

so THERE ARE indeed smart people who understand how that works and what will be on next.
if you just think about the losers and the profiteurs in that rally you can see the future of how America is when it is "great again"

this is not my opinion - these are RULES what you learn when you study economy.
and sure - a part of this rules are just school knowledge what are practically not working. but after more than 40 years practical experience I know the difference
between theory and practice.


that is correct but i look at the global connections and steps what lead to a result and you look only the result.

you can compare that with someone who receives a bad meal in a restaurant he is correct when he says it is bad - but only a cook can say WHY it was bad and WHAT went wrong.

that is your decision - you are still a free man and i would be happy for you if that continues.

More FAKE NEWS

I'm not arguing to continue doing the same old thing. To me fighting to create manufacturing jobs that are just going to be replaced by robots in the near future is, in a way, doing the same old thing. We fight to just hang on for a little while longer. In the face of our future, I think that is flawed logic.

I think we need to embrace the future and understand what automation is going to do to our society. We are on the precipice of having a society where all menial labor and low-paying jobs are done through automation. It's not too far off that we will have a society where there simply may not be enough jobs for everyone who wants a job. To me, the way to go is to not fight these fights with tariffs and taxes and trade deals, but to look forward and try to determine what skills will be in demand once automation takes hold. We should be focusing on helping people get the training and knowledge they will need to in order to have one of those jobs.

I understand when you are out of work and need money the idea of a good paying job you can get with little or no education or experience is very inviting. I have been there myself and had those jobs. I just think those jobs are on the endangered species list and it is time for us to look forward and determine how we are going to deal with that future when it happens as opposed to trying to bring back yesterday and trying to make things as they once were.

Once again, the 800 lb gorilla in the room. If you want different politicians rather than the same bunch year after year, we need term limits for Congress and the House of Representatives. You are not going to get anything different from the tRump administration. They are only interested in dismantling the government with the benefit going to the wealthy. By the time most of you realize this it will be too late. Say Hello to the new boss, Same as the old boss.

How do we go about this? There is almost never anyone to vote for that is for term limits and it is clear people will constantly vote for the same people over and over so we either have to convince people to vote out their reps after a term or two or we have to convince the reps to enact term limits. Neither is likely to ever happen.