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Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21585547)
i am sorry - that is also not true.
USA was a part of an alliance of FIFTY nations including russia and china againt hitlers thirs reich and japan.
Especially mention must be made here of the role of china. Because for the help they gave to the USA in the war against Japan, they were officially awarded the island of taiwan in the cairo declaration.

these historical facts are mostly unmentioned when the taiwan topic comes up.

american public only knows that china wants taiwan and usa have to be the hero to prevent that. but that there is a contract, where USA gave them taiwan as thanks for the help against Japan is not part of the discussion.

China fell flat on their face -- the Japanese took China before WW2 started in Europe (1939) Taiwan was where General Chan Ki-shek sought haven after his loss to Mao

http://images.library.wisc.edu/FRUS/...9v09.i0016.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/VanSlykeL...01949_djvu.txt
here is the China White paper I assume that is what you refer to -- please quote the lines that cede Taiwan to Mainland (PRC) China ...

16.1 million American soldiers and every factory in America saved Europe and Asia.
Lend Lease cost an enormous amount
War reparations were not totally repaid
Who still owes what for the two World Wars?

My dad and uncles fought in Europe and the Pacific.
Next time maybe the Yankee should just stay home.
You might be still living in the Third Rich that would be all of Europe IDK ...
We have a defensible continent and a substantial nuclear arsenal.
We can raise a 20 million man military if we need to -- why should we sent it overseas?
Trump does have a point on NATO: Europe should bear the costs of its security. The US can offer allegiance, cooperation -- and if need be -- a nuclear shield. Europe needs to be a European problem to be solved by Europeans. I will be in Eastern Europe in a few weeks -- Putin better mind his manners -- LOL

Steve Rupe 03-01-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21585682)
next one with just blablabla ?

so tell me WHAT is not true you brainhandicapped idiot instead bullshitting.

YOU ARE THE GUYS who talking about WRONG FACTS
so bring me the REAL facts if you have them.


you brain amputated honks have NOTHING but "fake news" or "not true" so IF YOU KNOW THE TRUTH WHY DON`T YOU SHOW IT !

i CAN prove the facts i write here because they are not from ONE RADICAL FASCIST SOURCE. so show me HOW YOU prove

I am not going to educate your ignorant ass, but will point out to you when you are ignorant of the facts and need to educate yourself before you post.

pimpmaster9000 03-01-2017 12:44 PM

the USA lost as much soldiers in WW2 as tiny shit hole yugoslavia did...tourists in the pacific LOL pretending they "won WW2"...what a load of bullshit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fucking hilarious to hear america talk about WW2 like it won it LOL all the USA did was nuke fishermen so that stalin would not defeat germany AND japan...

xXXtesy10 03-01-2017 12:46 PM

pls leave al bundy alone
http://www.bullz-eye.com/television/..._oneill_01.jpg

thommy 03-01-2017 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21585844)
China fell flat on their face -- the Japanese took China before WW2 started in Europe (1939) Taiwan was where General Chan Ki-shek sought haven after his loss to Mao

http://images.library.wisc.edu/FRUS/...9v09.i0016.pdf
https://archive.org/stream/VanSlykeL...01949_djvu.txt
here is the China White paper I assume that is what you refer to -- please quote the lines that cede Taiwan to Mainland (PRC) China ...

in this you will not find that because it is not the cairo commiique :-) that is a later version what just talks about it.

here is the cairo communiqie (in that time taiwanīs name was still formosa)


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16.1 million American soldiers and every factory in America saved Europe and Asia.
Lend Lease cost an enormous amount
War reparations were not totally repaid
Who still owes what for the two World Wars?
USA had one of the biggest parts in that but not the biggest.

the oficial numbers of soldiers in that war have been at the end (1944)
5 Million Brits, 11,2 Million Russians and 14,8 Million US
on the other site where 9,4 Million Germany and 5,3 Million Japanese

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My dad and uncles fought in Europe and the Pacific.
Next time maybe the Yankee should just stay home.
You might be still living in the Third Rich that would be all of Europe IDK ...
We have a defensible continent and a substantial nuclear arsenal.
We can raise a 20 million man military if we need to -- why should we sent it overseas?
Trump does have a point on NATO: Europe should bear the costs of its security. The US can offer allegiance, cooperation -- and if need be -- a nuclear shield. Europe needs to be a European problem to be solved by Europeans. I will be in Eastern Europe in a few weeks -- Putin better mind his manners -- LOL
we do not have to discuss this horrible part of the history.
I think be both know enough about it that there were many reasons for this war but also no excuses for the cruels hitler did.

but it is always like that that the written history is in favor of the winner and to understand the whole thing is a science today and a lot of scientiests on both sites of the atlantic still have many open questions.

the point about china in that game is, that in that time there was not ONE china and so nobody can really say who is the legit follower of a country what also was important to win the war in the pacific. from end of 1944 the chinese troups started to be successful against the japanese (yes with help from the US) but it is a fact that US and China had the same enemy and where fighting together.
also russian troups where fighting in China against Japan. So at the end of the day it was an alliance and the nuclear bomb what finished that drama. it was not a victory what USA could have without this helpers.

thommy 03-01-2017 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21586186)
I am not going to educate your ignorant ass, but will point out to you when you are ignorant of the facts and need to educate yourself before you post.

so that proves you as blablabla - you do not HAVE facts - thatīs what is proved.

Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21586243)
the USA lost as much soldiers in WW2 as tiny shit hole yugoslavia did...tourists in the pacific LOL pretending they "won WW2"...what a load of bullshit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

fucking hilarious to hear america talk about WW2 like it won it LOL all the USA did was nuke fishermen so that stalin would not defeat germany AND japan...

Next time we won't come to the party ...
Humanitarian relief only -- if that means taking some land and resettling refugees -- no one can stop stop us without destroying themselves in the process.
We should have done this in the ISIS mess. Taken land and made a new country -- let the refuges administer it -- then leveled the perimeter for 50 miles into a dead-zone.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-01-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21586285)
so that proves you as blablabla - you do not HAVE facts - thatīs what is proved.

9/11/01

thommy boy was probably getting CUCKED at the time

Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 01:07 PM

The Republic of China is now Taiwan
The Peoples Republic is Communist or mainland (Red) China.

You are absolutely WRONG Google both names. Confusion is understandable but the assertion is ludicrous. One day Taiwan may assume some status like Hong Kong ... IDK

pimpmaster9000 03-01-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21586291)
Next time we won't come to the party ...
Humanitarian relief only -- if that means taking some land and resettling refugees -- no one can stop stop us without destroying themselves in the process.
We should have done this in the ISIS mess. Taken land and made a new country -- let the refuges administer it -- then leveled the perimeter for 50 miles into a dead-zone.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

your only possible victory can be a short term military one that will bring decades of "iraq" afterwards and flood europe with refugees...any way you look at it you get fucked right back even if it is by destroying your allies and their economies with your proxy fuck...even if europe builds a wall, other weaker countries around europe will absorb the refugees and fall like dominoes...look at turkey as a great example...going to shit but used to be moderate...

you can never win...you can only waste $$$$$$$$$ to speed up your demise...

its like pissing in the pool...sooner or later the piss is going to come back to you, it does not matter whether you flap your hands and try to make the piss go elsewhere, you are only speeding up the piss and being at the end of the pool does not spare you from what is coming :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

TimS 03-01-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21585157)
Japanese invaded Alaska.
Germans mined New York harbor.

you're still an ignorant fuckwit in the Eastern European Headquarters for Genocide.

And the Germans fired a live Torpedo into the shoreline of Massachusetts in WW 2.
And yes the Japanese bombed The Aleutian Islands which were part of the Alaskain Territory.
Not defending, just educating, history is a wonderful thing.

Steve Rupe 03-01-2017 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21586318)
The Republic of China is now Taiwan
The Peoples Republic is Communist or mainland (Red) China.

You are absolutely WRONG Google both names. Confusion is understandable but the assertion is ludicrous. One day Taiwan may assume some status like Hong Kong ... IDK

A misreading by Thommy and a misunderstanding of what the "Cairo" paper is about. As I stated he is ignorant of the facts. This board has a lot of ignorant foreigners that think they know the history of the U.S. and the politics of the U.S. when they simply do not.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-01-2017 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21586444)
A misreading by Thommy and a misunderstanding of what the "Cairo" paper is about. As I stated he is ignorant of the facts. This board has a lot of ignorant foreigners that think they know the history of the U.S. and the politics of the U.S. when they simply do not.

Thommy is a very ignorant old goldfish

Steve Rupe 03-01-2017 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TimS (Post 21586393)
And the Germans fired a live Torpedo into the shoreline of Massachusetts in WW 2.
And yes the Japanese bombed The Aleutian Islands which were part of the Alaskain Territory.
Not defending, just educating, history is a wonderful thing.

They also bombed the West Coast, and attacked the West Coast via Submarine.

pimpmaster9000 03-01-2017 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21585157)
Japanese invaded Alaska.
Germans mined New York harbor.

you're still an ignorant fuckwit in the Eastern European Headquarters for Genocide.

And I took a shit in Yellowstone you forgot to mention this huge attack on us soil...Oh and an Arab once farted in New York several times this was several chemical attacks at once!

Freedom6995 03-01-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21584794)
the north american continent has not been attacked since columbus...it is hilarious when I hear some USIS fighter claiming he "protects his country" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

False: USA tried to take on Canada in 1812. For the record...they lost.

PR_Glen 03-01-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21585688)
Shows the damage that can be done with planes

you mean unattended fires?

Rochard 03-01-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21585058)
The new attacks on the USA are in cyberspace and worming into critical infrastructure. Military spending building new war machine toys will not address that threat.

I think you are wrong.

The US Cyber Command is part of the United States Strategic Command and is staffed mostly by the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Cyber_Command

Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21586357)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

your only possible victory can be a short term military one that will bring decades of "iraq" afterwards and flood europe with refugees...any way you look at it you get fucked right back .... bla bla vla :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Dude ... NATO turned your village into a parking lot ... We could have turned your homeland into glass in 5 minutes. You were defenseless twerps.

There is no victory in the Middle East. Trump may just flatten half of it and that will not solve the problem. Like pouring diesel into the ant nest and lighting a match -- the ants come back eventually ...

Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21586621)
I think you are wrong.

The US Cyber Command is part of the United States Strategic Command and is staffed mostly by the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United..._Cyber_Command

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...organizes existing cyber resources and synchronizes defense of U.S. military networks.
Read more carefully -- I am talking about civilian and commercial infrastructure.
Trillions of dollars are involved DAILY -- banks, financial exchanges and e-commerce. Utilities and water resource management.

AWS may have gone down by an amplified UDP packet attack this week -- the reason mysteriously "undisclosed". Many data sites are experiencing NTP amplified ddos attack as we speak.

These are REAL threats not some imagined ISIS Terrorist attack on US soil -- the government is useless. Look how the US political parties servers got hacked -- you can be sure that is only the tip of the iceberg. This isn't CT theory ...

wehateporn 03-01-2017 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21586564)
you mean unattended fires?

Glad to see you were paying attention, yes, no planes hit that building, WTC7 went down because of *COUGH* fire

CaptainHowdy 03-01-2017 04:06 PM

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140527132039

poncabare 03-01-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21585112)
well you can go much further than that.
even the bullshit that every american needs to have the right to own a weapon is not an argument anymore.
that right was given in a time, when americans did not trust the government (what they still not do) and to prevent that the own government can use the military power against the own citizens.

that was maybe an argument 1780 - but it is not an argument today.
or how you want to defend a tank with a 9 millimeter smith and wesson?
kids are running amok in schools and the only answer they have on that is to recommend that EVERYONE KID should have a weapon.

i mean, sorry, how stupid must one be to stand for that nonsense?

how many more people have to be killed til they realize that in other countries, where people do not have weapons are 99% lower murder rates ?


Always love when someone from another country the size of Maine who cares so much about the states. Who refuses to ever fight for anything...

pimpmaster9000 03-01-2017 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21586663)
Dude ... NATO turned your village into a parking lot ... We could have turned your homeland into glass in 5 minutes. You were defenseless twerps.

There is no victory in the Middle East. Trump may just flatten half of it and that will not solve the problem. Like pouring diesel into the ant nest and lighting a match -- the ants come back eventually ...

You lost in Yugoslavia lol...Millions of refugees and a whole region impoverished...Dem immigrants you created took you jeerbs and in the big picture Americans payed for it all...How many trillion?

Every invasion dollar you guys spend is an investment against you future and a win for war Inc...It will become your main export LOL

Barry-xlovecam 03-01-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21586948)
You lost in Yugoslavia lol...Millions of refugees and a whole region impoverished...Dem immigrants you created took you jeerbs and in the big picture Americans payed for it all...How many trillion?

Every invasion dollar you guys spend is an investment against you future and a win for war Inc...It will become your main export LOL

I didn't say the expense was worth it.
The problem is the USA is not like Rome we don't hold territory captive and demand the payment of tribute.

Yugoslavia didn't even have anything worth taking.
European members of NATO still remember WW1 and where it started ( If that makes any sense :upsidedow) Start a war to stop a war <Learned nothing from the Vietnam War experience. Look how the Muslims repaid the favor in Bosnia -- none of this makes any sense.

Our wars are not investments our wars are cluster fucks that resolve nothing. But the USA can kick every kid's ass on the block. Ask the bully-in-chief Donald J Trump ... oh fuck ....:Oh crap

Steve Rupe 03-02-2017 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21586696)
Glad to see you were paying attention, yes, no planes hit that building, WTC7 went down because of *COUGH* fire

Only partially true. One side was gouged out by falling rubble and firemen ordered it evacuated because they were afraid that it was going to fall and it did.

Paul Markham 03-02-2017 04:13 AM

Thommy lives in an alternative reality where State Sponsored Terrorism doesn't count.

NewNick 03-02-2017 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21587824)
Thommy lives in an alternative reality where State Sponsored Terrorism doesn't count.

Whereas you live in an alternative country from where you preach about immigration.

Dont you migrant.

pimpmaster9000 03-02-2017 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21587218)
The problem is the USA is not like Rome we don't hold territory captive and demand the payment of tribute.

Yugoslavia didn't even have anything worth taking.

for the US economy there was truly nothing worth taking in yugo...but for US cronies inside the government they got to ruin the economy and buy anything they wanted cheap and made billions later on...a good example is wesley clark and his mineral mining monopoly in kosovo...

payment of tribute like in the roman empire is up for discussion...if you impoverish a region and then put it in debt slavery this is kinda like a tribute...again this means little for the US economy in general for for a few cronies it is serious $$$$

thommy 03-02-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21587824)
Thommy lives in an alternative reality where State Sponsored Terrorism doesn't count.

it counts - but as far as i know ALL this countries where first destroyed (for their oil) and left in chaos and then taken by radical groups what where armed from the US before.

irak, afganistan, lybia and all the others are just a little part of the list where terror was following exploitation.

if you really go down to the roots you will find the same ugly game where multi billion dollar companies dealt with corrupt politicians and they all had the blessing and the military power of the USA on their side to realize these disgusting deals.

the problem of terror is a selfmade problem because corruption is a legal tactic in it.
it has nothing to do with islam or the religion - the religion is only the easy switch which was used to send people to a war which has quite different causes.

In the whole history of mankind, no religious war had yet been founded because of religious reasons- the foundations were always economic.

Steve Rupe 03-02-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21589024)
it counts - but as far as i know ALL this countries where first destroyed (for their oil) and left in chaos and then taken by radical groups what where armed from the US before.

irak, afganistan, lybia and all the others are just a little part of the list where terror was following exploitation.

if you really go down to the roots you will find the same ugly game where multi billion dollar companies dealt with corrupt politicians and they all had the blessing and the military power of the USA on their side to realize these disgusting deals.

the problem of terror is a selfmade problem because corruption is a legal tactic in it.
it has nothing to do with islam or the religion - the religion is only the easy switch which was used to send people to a war which has quite different causes.

In the whole history of mankind, no religious war had yet been founded because of religious reasons- the foundations were always economic.

Your ignorance of history is pretty amazing. How far did you go in school?

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-02-2017 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21589693)
Your ignorance of history is pretty amazing. How far did you go in school?

thommy boy made it to 2nd grade

thommy 03-03-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21589693)
Your ignorance of history is pretty amazing. How far did you go in school?

why you trumpasslickers can not talk in facts ?
so tell me WHAT is wrong in my historical knowledge and prove it.
up to that you are just a stupid, ignorant uneducated idiot with NO facts and NO arguments for me and everyone with a mind who read that.

so come one buddy - come with YOUR facts and i show you who from us both is uneducated.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-03-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21591334)
why you trumpasslickers can not talk in facts ?
so tell me WHAT is wrong in my historical knowledge and prove it.
up to that you are just a stupid, ignorant uneducated idiot with NO facts and NO arguments for me and everyone with a mind who read that.

so come one buddy - come with YOUR facts and i show you who from us both is uneducated.

9/11 thommy u dumbass!


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