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crockett 03-07-2017 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21603349)
That's the stupidity of Ryan's plan for sure.

What Congress needs to do is get the govt. out of the insurance business and instead...ban all lobbyists from Washington D.C.
Then open investigations into why the United States citizens pay more for pharmaceuticals and medical procedures than anywhere else in the world.
Get a few heads of the medical, pharmaceutical, and insurance companies behind bars and prices will come down real fast.

Have you ever heard of or seen any of the "medical tourism" sites?

It's unreal. The difference in pricing for heart bypass surgery is astounding for instance.
You can buy a first class round trip ticket, stay in a 5 star hotel, get the procedure done and it still costs less than 1/4 of what it costs here in the U.S.

And do people do it? Hell yes they do.

If you ever get the chance to go to Tijuana...you'll see it first hand.

The whole town is slammed with doctors offices and pharmacies. Every kind of elective surgery you can think of is done there at far, far less than in the U.S.

And most of the doctors live in San Diego (U.S. doctors) and have offices in Tijuana.

People come there from all over the United States to get procedures done.

Plus you can walk into a pharmacy and buy Cialis, Viagra, testosterone, etc. OVER THE COUNTER with no prescription needed. And it's 1/10th the price of the United States.

We have been getting ripped off since at least the 1970's.

I remember reading news articles on this back in the mid-1980's when there was a big story about people going to Canada and back just to buy their prescription medication.
Back then they were taking busloads of people across the Canadian border and back...just to go to the pharmacy.

Did the U.S. govt. help these people by finding out WHY we are paying so much more?

Nope...they instead made it ILLEGAL and pressured the Canadian govt. to put a stop to it and began stopping people at the border.

THAT is what we have gotten from politicians in Washington D.C. :(
Suddenly it's congresses job to do all this stuff? For the last 8 years it was all Obama's fault nothing worked because you called him a "bad" leader. Now it's not Trump's fault for being a "bad" leader but now the blame shifts to congress.

Are you aware of how much of a hypocrite you are? Do you even remember what you've said over and over again while Obama was POTUS now suddenly you shift blame to congress because now it's not the POTUS's job to lead because you don't want to blame Trump.. Jesus you're a tool and I will continue to call you out on your constant BS because you are such a fucking tool. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Rochard 03-07-2017 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21602002)

The only health insurance anyone should need is catastrophic insurance.
I never thought of this.... And this might just be a good idea.

I don't need healthcare for the routine stuff. I am forty-eight years old, and while I am (still) over weight I never get sick and can't remember the last time I saw a doctor. It must have been about six years ago, for a routine check up (only because I hadn't had one in a long time), and they told me the only issue I had was a slight potassium deficiency and I knew that before the blood work.

My wife is similar, although she gets sick, but never sick enough to see a doctor.

My kid has had a few problems but nothing serious and nothing we couldn't handle without insurance. In fact, she broke her arm while I was unemployed in 2009 (?) and we paid for everything out of our own pockets. It wasn't nearly as much as one would think. We had an initial appointment, an x-ray, and they put a cast on. We had a follow up appointment, another x ray, and then weekly physical therapy for two months at $65 each.

This might be a good idea Robbie... You only need insurance if you end up in the hospital for something serious.

Barry-xlovecam 03-07-2017 10:35 AM
Some of us can afford a $15,000 deductible. Most people can't -- especially families with children.

All healthcare insurance policies should include low copays for semiannual checkups and needed tests.

I would be happy with that. NP

A choice -- sure

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-07-2017 10:49 AM
They just ended catastrophic insurance for anyone 30 and older...what a fucking joke it really is all u need

Bladewire 03-07-2017 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21603361)
This might be a good idea Robbie... You only need insurance if you end up in the hospital for something serious.
Preventative care mitigizes and/or prevents a catastrophic event.

Preventative care is:

Regular checkups
Blood tests
Seeing a specialist
Medication

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-07-2017 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21603529)
Preventative care mitigizes and/or prevents a catastrophic event.

Preventative care is:

Regular checkups
Blood tests
Seeing a specialist
Medication
Which should cost like $25 per visit

MaDalton 03-07-2017 11:10 AM
And the rest of the civilized world just shakes its head in disbelief...

Bladewire 03-07-2017 05:25 PM
This bill is going to change a lot over the next week's/months.

Just like when obamacare was created it's gonna be a bu'ch'of political grandstanding and drama.

pimpmaster9000 03-07-2017 05:48 PM
this could happen only in america because americans have such faith in their country..."its the best in the world" and people went along with it...hundreds of billions are siphoned out of the disposable income of americans and it "trickles up" to a few...everything has become a racket...healthcare, education, """"""""defense"""""""" , realestate, finance, prisons...all because of "we are the leaders of the free world we are #1 yeah!" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

its also amusing to see solutions like trumps seriously discussed :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh its like moving a piece of shit around a chess board and marveling his strategy...serious fundamental change is needed and it is nowhere in the horizon....

Barry-xlovecam 03-07-2017 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21605035)
This bill is going to change a lot over the next week's/months.

Just like when obamacare was created it's gonna be a bu'ch'of political grandstanding and drama.
The House passed bill will not pass the Senate probably and the Senate will offer a competing bill. This will most likely take years 7 takeaways from the GOP health care plan to replace Obamacare | PolitiFact

If this is Trump's 'fantastic' healthcare for America then America will slide back. Obama care was intended to be ( or I had hoped to be) transitional. If the Republicans break it they will own it along with the political fallout.

Robbie 03-07-2017 07:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21603361)
You only need insurance if you end up in the hospital for something serious.
That's the way it always was...until ObamaCare kicked in and the medical industry had to change the way they do business.
Now if you go to the doctor with a headache...the first thing they do is ask for your insurance card. :(

Robbie 03-07-2017 07:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21603529)
Preventative care mitigizes and/or prevents a catastrophic event.

Preventative care is:

Regular checkups
Blood tests
Seeing a specialist
Medication
Which should all be affordable enough to easily pay out of pocket.

And if you think that most red-blooded American men EVER want to go to the doctor unless they absolutely have to...then you're crazy. lol
Doesn't matter if all doctors were suddenly 100% free for everyone tomorrow.
Us guys would STILL avoid them like the plague. :1orglaugh

crockett 03-07-2017 07:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21605251)
That's the way it always was...until ObamaCare kicked in and the medical industry had to change the way they do business.
Now if you go to the doctor with a headache...the first thing they do is ask for your insurance card. :(
Jesus fucking Christ you live in a fairyland. Doctors have been asking for insurance for the 40+ years I've been alive but in the world according to Robbie, it's only since Obama..

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

crockett 03-07-2017 07:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21605242)
The House passed bill will not pass the Senate probably and the Senate will offer a competing bill. This will most likely take years 7 takeaways from the GOP health care plan to replace Obamacare | PolitiFact

If this is Trump's 'fantastic' healthcare for America then America will slide back. Obama care was intended to be ( or I had hoped to be) transitional. If the Republicans break it they will own it along with the political fallout.
It's gonna be called Republicare so they have to fucking own it.

Robbie 03-07-2017 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21605035)
Just like when obamacare was created it's gonna be a bu'ch'of political grandstanding and drama.
I don't remember that at all.
Matter of fact, Congress and the Senate weren't even ALLOWED to see the ObamaCare bill until AFTER they voted it into law.

Remember Pelosi famously saying: "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it"?

No drama, no political grandstanding. It was passed without being read by the Democrats in the Senate and the House without a single Republican vote for it.

Nobody had the chance to grandstand because they didn't have a clue what was in it.

Probably one of the biggest derelictions of duty in the history of our govt.
Especially as it impacted 1/6th of our economy.

Yeah...AFTER it was voted into law...THEN the Republicans rightfully raised hell.

And two years later...the beginning of the end for the Democrat Party started in the 2010 election as they began losing seats.

Pres. Obama had promised that the writing of the health care law was going to be televised LIVE on CSPAN and that there would be a website with daily updates and the bill laid out for people to read AS it was being written.
That turned out to all be lies as we know now. The whole thing was written in total secrecy and never vetted by our elected representatives beforehand.

That's why the thing has failed so spectacularly. The math was insane.

Barry-xlovecam 03-08-2017 02:09 AM
Tax Credits under the Affordable Care Act vs. the American Health Care Act: An Interactive Map | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

Interesting calculator to see the possible financial outcome for you. If your payroll income or net business profit is over $50K you are a winner. The tax credits are age dependent. But if you are over 60 you will pay 5X the lowest rate it says here https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...-cliff/518769/ So in the end game, that chart I posted may be a good estimate -- even if you win the tax credit game you will lose the insurance rate game.

Price of poker is going up and the insurers are going to end up the winners.

There are lots of ways to take the publics' money without raising taxes or levying a new tax -- this is a good example. Thanks Trump ...

Paul Markham 03-08-2017 05:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21602593)
Here Robbie is straight out of the gate with lies. Obamacare is not collapsing. Insurance companies just don't like it because they are forced to cover everyone and they don't make as much profit. The simple solution is single pay & kick the insurance companies to the curb..
Single pay, say into a Government run scheme, won't solve the problem. The problem is the costs apart from Insurance Companies. The Government has to control the cost on every level.

Barry-xlovecam 03-08-2017 05:58 AM
Our medical professionals need to to take a pay cut of 50% :laughing- that will go over big I am sure.

The GOP healthcare will allow healthcare insurance executive salaries paid between $500,001 and $1,000,000 to be 100% deductible as expense like all US corporations are able to do now -- this will cost $600 million more over the next 10 years. Guess who will get to pay for this?

bronco67 03-08-2017 06:38 AM
The more I hear about the details of this plan, the funnier it all becomes.

A tax credit for insurance executives making over $500,000? What the fuck is that all about?

Why don't Republicans just admit that they're more interested in killing Obamacare than coming with something for the people they claim to represent? They farted this plan in a month so they could justify repealing ACA, but it looks like a tax break for rich people and says fuck you to everyone else.

PR_Glen 03-08-2017 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21606289)
The more I hear about the details of this plan, the funnier it all becomes.

A tax credit for insurance executives making over $500,000? What the fuck is that all about?

Why don't Republicans just admit that they're more interested in killing Obamacare than coming with something for the people they claim to represent? They farted this plan in a month so they could justify repealing ACA, but it looks like a tax break for rich people and says fuck you to everyone else.
Why don't you realize that this is not a partisan issue? This is not solvable within a few weeks no matter who is in office or which side writes it up. It just needs to be a step in a positive direction and amended along the way until it is functional. That can't happen without all sides of congress working together. Right now it just needs to be two things. Affordable to all and not leave people shut out in the process. This can't happen without serious reform in medical and pharmaceutical costs first though.

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-08-2017 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21605278)
I don't remember that at all.
Matter of fact, Congress and the Senate weren't even ALLOWED to see the ObamaCare bill until AFTER they voted it into law.

Remember Pelosi famously saying: "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it"?

No drama, no political grandstanding. It was passed without being read by the Democrats in the Senate and the House without a single Republican vote for it.

Nobody had the chance to grandstand because they didn't have a clue what was in it.

Probably one of the biggest derelictions of duty in the history of our govt.
Especially as it impacted 1/6th of our economy.

Yeah...AFTER it was voted into law...THEN the Republicans rightfully raised hell.

And two years later...the beginning of the end for the Democrat Party started in the 2010 election as they began losing seats.

Pres. Obama had promised that the writing of the health care law was going to be televised LIVE on CSPAN and that there would be a website with daily updates and the bill laid out for people to read AS it was being written.
That turned out to all be lies as we know now. The whole thing was written in total secrecy and never vetted by our elected representatives beforehand.

That's why the thing has failed so spectacularly. The math was insane.
Also, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor promise

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-08-2017 09:01 AM
The problem is all the goddam illegals who get free care and all the subsides for poor people who have shitty genetics who constantly get "Free" care and medication so of course the companies are going to price gauge

AndyA 03-08-2017 09:03 AM
It comes down to this.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE....

I trust the Dems and I don't trust the republicans. I truly feel the DEMS have the best interest of the little guy... and the republicans have their donors best interests like the NRA, insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceutical companies etc

that's it in a nutshell... I don't own any of the companies the republicans support

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-08-2017 09:04 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21606607)
It comes down to this.. PLAIN AND SIMPLE....

I trust the Dems and I don't trust the republicans. I truly feel the DEMS have the best interest of the little guy... and the republicans have their donors best interests like the NRA, insurance companies, energy companies, pharmaceutical companies etc

that's it in a nutshell... I don't own any of the companies the republicans support
LOL who in the fuck cares what you think? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I like the yankees and the red sox suck! WAHH

Busty2 03-08-2017 09:16 AM
I left the UK for America 20 years ago. There is a huge misunderstanding re the UK healthcare system, it's not free, not by any stretch of the imagination. When i left i was paying around 40% tax on my income and another $2000.00 a month National Insurance. National Insurance covered pensions and health care. Now 20 years ago $2000.00 a month was a lot of money, even today it's a lot but it was based on my earnings in the film industry.

The system worked and i paid zero for medication or Dr visits, Vision or Dentistry.
I didn't have any hospital bills but if i did they would have been free. The downside of the UK system was it could take years to have any non life threatening surgery like hip replacement etc.
I believe something like that could work here, those that earn the highest salary pay a higher % towards health care and those on low salary less. :2 cents:

AndyA 03-08-2017 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21606613)
LOL who in the fuck cares what you think? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I like the yankees and the red sox suck! WAHH

JohnnyCakes,

Your mother seems to really care about what I think because last night when I was fucking her face she kept screaming about what a cunt her son was

I didn't listen I just kept donkey punching her

JohnnyClips - BANNED FOR LIFE 03-08-2017 09:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21606679)
JohnnyCakes,

Your mother seems to really care about what I think because last night when I was fucking her face she kept screaming about what a cunt her son was

I didn't listen I just kept donkey punching her
I'm reporting you to the mods

AndyA 03-08-2017 09:21 AM
JohnnyCakes

nobody gives a FUCK what you think around here or probably anywhere.... NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT SOME CLOWN POSTING PRO TRUMP SHIT ALL THE TIME

you fucking cunt

AndyA 03-08-2017 09:22 AM
Sure report me to Eric LOL

your a fucking ass clown... fuck you and your stupid fucking posts...

Busty2 03-08-2017 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyClips (Post 21606685)
I'm reporting you to the mods
https://gfy.com/members/busty2/albums...47-crybaby.jpg

crockett 03-08-2017 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21606166)
Single pay, say into a Government run scheme, won't solve the problem. The problem is the costs apart from Insurance Companies. The Government has to control the cost on every level.
Yes and Republicans fight that at every turn.. However we already have proof of working concept.. Medicare works just fine, all we need is Medicare for everyone. Medicare already controls the prices they pay.. The biggest issues with Medicare is when Hospitals/Doctors try to bill fraudulently but they do that with insurance companies as well..

If we had Medicare for everyone, covering the basic health care stuff people could then get gap insurance or something like that to "upgrade" their polices if they wanted to..

The only problem with healthcare in the US, is it's been turn into a "for profit" industry, where profit is more important that people's health.


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