Score one for Paul.

This whole "Everything is right with the world now that [ the party I support ] are in power" mentality is taken to a whole other level on this forum. But not just this forum, sadly. The web is rife with card carrying members of both parties whom have each swilled enough of their respective coolaids to drown a hippo.

Anyone who thought that the US political troll threads would die down after the veritable onslaught of the 18 months leading up to the election are obviously now in the midst of their rude awakening. :winkwink:

That's all well and good but you're missing one key play in this chess game....

This information is being released by Putin while Putin's puppet is in office, for maximum damage.

If our government topples we'll have a corrupt dictator in charge.

Its all well and good to want to know how the sausage is made in our government and be critical of the process and it's secrets, but the alternative is a dictatorship, instigated by Putin.

Remember, they're not exposing secrets to make our society better, their goal is to turn our society into a dictatorship they control. Putin kills his advesaries and has silenced free speech in his country. That's not what I want or how I'm going to live.

I've never trusted Wikileaks and I am stunned they are still in operation.

Wikileaks was set up to hack and steal information and expose it. It's not like they are exposing greed or corruption or saving lives; Instead they are taking military and intelligence secrets and handing them out like candy. The leaks in the past few years have weakened our military; Terrorists now know exactly how we are targeting and tracking them.

Don't think this doesn't effect you? You don't think every hacker in the world isn't pouring over the recent leaks and trying to hack everything from your cell phone to your tv, web cam, fridge, and car? They made the world a lot less safer.

I am stunned that they are allowed to operate. Don't tell me we cannot touch them. First, with Julian Assange, he is hiding out in the Ecuador embassy in the UK. The first step is to remove all diplomatic contact with Ecuador. If that fails, we bomb their military bases. As for their servers, why haven't we hacked them and shut them all down? And why haven't we started whacking people? Yes, I am dead serious here - I don't care what country you are in but if you expose secrets of the US military suddenly your phone explodes in your face or your brake fails. Knock off - yes, kill - a few of their top people and the message will be received in a big way by the rest of their staff.

Please don't tell me we can't do this; The CIA got caught kidnapping people in Italy years ago. And check out what Israel did after the terrorist attack in Munich with their "Wrath of God" operation where they targeted people for years.

Does't matter now because President Drumpf loves Wikileaks.

The information that they are releasing is true

But you don't trust wikileaks

Ok

Excellent points!

The funny thing is the Russian camera spyware / ransomware, that's been rampant for years, now being spun as the CIA spying on Americans :1orglaugh

The media is chasing the wrong dog and not focused on Russia in the Whitehouse again, just what Putin/Trump want.

I'm surprise Assange is still alive. If he was doing this to Putin he'd be dead by now.

I'm not religious or even spiritual in the least, but your definition of spirituality is grossly misinformed...

spirituality saves millions daily. it can help people cope with addiction, battle depression, reconnect with their family or friends. It can inspire people to do good for others, it can aid in rehabilitation. People who have lost everything. Family, money, jobs can sometimes be saved by having someone, maybe even a stranger, believe in them--even just a little bit is enough sometimes. Can knowledge save everyone from that? Are you going to take a class at a local community college to help you with your depression? I'm sure that would work for a few, but not most. You could spend years writing up a dissertation on anxiety, but would that help prevent you from suffering from it yourself? Probably not.

Whether it is done through religion or through ddp yoga who gives a shit? As long as someone finds something positive to help get back on track and maybe even give a little back themselves is only a good thing right? Humanity will never go forward unless spirituality exists in one form or another.

If that were true then the leaks would not just focus on western nations now would it? Any russian leaks on that site?

besides, like any rothchild conspiracy, zero motive.

Are they true?

Is it a thing that happens under either sides leadership?

There's very little that anyone can release about Trump's political career and a mountain that can be released that happened in the last 8 and the 8 before then. So the problem is deeper than Trump. It reveals a system rotten to the core whoever is in power and both Clintons have been part of for the last 24 years and up to their necks in it.

This.

The problem is apathy. Too many voters are willing to vote for politicians who are up to their necks in corruption, yet blow a gasket over a sex scandal.

I very much doubt if many voters study politicians voting record before re-electing them. They go for the party first and last and ignore the huge system behind them that doesn't change and carries on regardless.

In the UK it's no different.

In what world do you think the US is not a dictatorship?

Other than a complete outsider like Trump getting voted in.

Your politicians are told what to do and when to do it by a very small group of big corporations who can afford to re-elect them. Have you watched Miss Sloane and how much truth do you see in the scenario of big money telling politicians how to vote?

As for free speech. You talking on here means nothing against the $billions spent to get the person the billionaires want elected.

We have 3 branches of power in America. I explained this in the other thread ( executive, legislative & juducial)

Trump is a 1% billionaire Paul. He's a born & bred Manhattan, N.Y. fat cat elite. He's been hobnobbing with the rich and powerful for decades and has golfed 3cdays a week since becoming president.



Right. Trump is no different and he was never an outsider but for the year he ran for POTUS. His actions since being elected have been tax breaks for the rich , golfing & reducing regulations for big business (some of which I agree with, others are not good)

Hear, hear!

saved me typing out a long reply :thumbsup all I'll add is spirituality has nothing to do with religion (though you can obviously be both if you choose). Seems mark is confusing spirituality with religion or possibly (likely) spiritualism. Two very different words.

Correct on every count as well as your comment about Mark, I think.

the problem with spirituality through religion is that it can be manipulated by religious leaders.

So your logic then is.... "I don't want to take a chance on living in a country that kills people and silences free speech, so I want my government to kill people and silence free speech in order to avoid that possibility".


It's an interesting perspective. I'll grant you that.... :winkwink:




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