Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21650044)

Only 4 months left and it's looking more and more like it everyday.. The funny thing is Trump has yet to be vindicated for anything related to Russia. He hasn't been able to disprove anything and every week it just goes deeper.. They are now saying Trump worked directly with the Russians to best time the release of the Hillary email dumps.

6 months I said.. He would be impeached with-in 6 months of taking office. 2 months in and the shit is getting deeper.. It's only a matter of time at this point before the death nail is struck..

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21652072)

This is a legal issue now being investigated by the FBI. This will not be quick; It will drag on for years.

Read up about Watergate. It started with a single crime - a break in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington DC, and it took two full years from the break in itself to when Nixon resigned. Sixty-nine people were indicted, with forty-eight of them being found guilty of crimes. A President was impeached and resigned in disgrace.

It's pretty obvious that there was some connection between the Trump campaign and Russian government. Everyone has seen the evidence when Roger Stone said "Trust me, it will soon be Pedesta's time in the barrel". This is direct evidence of direct knowledge of what information Wikileaks had in advance, which means they were working either with the Russians or at least working with Wikileaks.

The connections between Trump and the Russians are staggering and impossible to ignore.

My favorite is Jeff Sessions. During his confirmation he was asked what he would do if he found out anyone in the Trump campaign was affiliate with the Russians. Instead of answering the question he gave the following statement: ?I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.? He claimed that this was a "routine meeting" involving his work with the Senate Armed Services Committee. Oddly enough, there are twenty-six members of this committee, but only Sessions had meet with the Russian ambassador in the past year. Can someone please explain to me why anyone on the Senate Armed Forces Committee would fly out of Washington DC to secretly meet with the Russian ambassador behind closed doors? Wouldn't it be routine for anyone in Congress (or the US government for that matter) to file a report with the CIA or the FBI, or at the very least the State Department detailed their meeting and what was discussed? Sessions lied under oath about a secret meeting with the Russians.

Then we have Micheal Flynn. Does anyone believe Flynn lied to Pence - and Trump - about his conversations with the Russians? Flynn was one of the few people who had a direct line into Trump; He took orders directly from Trump. Of course Trump knew about this. It's fucking impossible that everyone in his campaign was having direct contacts with the Russians and or Wikileaks without Trump knowing directly about it in advance.

At some point in time we will start putting people under oath and asking them questions. The CIA and the FBI knows what was said, and what was done. When faced with the evidence, they will either lie under oath or roll over and tell us everything. With Watergate they charged sixty-nine people with crimes, and more than half of them were found guilty. These people do not want to go to prison over this. The truth will come out.

A lot of people have said Trump will be impeached, and Pence will become President. It's time for us to give some thought to the line of succession because Pence will be impeached also. Pence will be guilty of the same exact crimes.

I knew having Trump as President was going to be entertaining but this is so much more entertaining than I had ever imagined.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21652690)

President Nixon was not impeached, he resigned before he was impeached.

Originally Posted by Crockett

it took two full years from the break in itself to when Nixon resigned.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21650242)

he will do you this favour and prove it for you.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21650044)

Only 4 months left and it's looking more and more like it everyday.. The funny thing is Trump has yet to be vindicated for anything related to Russia. He hasn't been able to disprove anything and every week it just goes deeper.. They are now saying Trump worked directly with the Russians to best time the release of the Hillary email dumps.

6 months I said.. He would be impeached with-in 6 months of taking office. 2 months in and the shit is getting deeper.. It's only a matter of time at this point before the death nail is struck..

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21652357)

If all that speculation is true...then why do you guys keep posting it over and over?
Seems to me you should be kicked back happy and satisfied.

Instead it's a lot of posts full of vitriol and pure wishful thinking.

Just relax. If you are correct, then all of your dreams are gonna come true.

If not, there's absolutely nothing you can do anyway.

Me? I know what I voted for. The economy and jobs.
I'm a happy Trump voter and looking forward to the future.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21652690)

President Nixon was not impeached, he resigned before he was impeached.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21654091)

You mean like you speculated for years Obama was a Muslim and Hillary caused Benghazi?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21652072)

This is a legal issue now being investigated by the FBI. This will not be quick; It will drag on for years.

Read up about Watergate. It started with a single crime - a break in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate office complex in Washington DC, and it took two full years from the break in itself to when Nixon resigned. Sixty-nine people were indicted, with forty-eight of them being found guilty of crimes. A President was impeached and resigned in disgrace.

It's pretty obvious that there was some connection between the Trump campaign and Russian government. Everyone has seen the evidence when Roger Stone said "Trust me, it will soon be Pedesta's time in the barrel". This is direct evidence of direct knowledge of what information Wikileaks had in advance, which means they were working either with the Russians or at least working with Wikileaks.

The connections between Trump and the Russians are staggering and impossible to ignore.

My favorite is Jeff Sessions. During his confirmation he was asked what he would do if he found out anyone in the Trump campaign was affiliate with the Russians. Instead of answering the question he gave the following statement: “I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians.” He claimed that this was a "routine meeting" involving his work with the Senate Armed Services Committee. Oddly enough, there are twenty-six members of this committee, but only Sessions had meet with the Russian ambassador in the past year. Can someone please explain to me why anyone on the Senate Armed Forces Committee would fly out of Washington DC to secretly meet with the Russian ambassador behind closed doors? Wouldn't it be routine for anyone in Congress (or the US government for that matter) to file a report with the CIA or the FBI, or at the very least the State Department detailed their meeting and what was discussed? Sessions lied under oath about a secret meeting with the Russians.

Then we have Micheal Flynn. Does anyone believe Flynn lied to Pence - and Trump - about his conversations with the Russians? Flynn was one of the few people who had a direct line into Trump; He took orders directly from Trump. Of course Trump knew about this. It's fucking impossible that everyone in his campaign was having direct contacts with the Russians and or Wikileaks without Trump knowing directly about it in advance.

At some point in time we will start putting people under oath and asking them questions. The CIA and the FBI knows what was said, and what was done. When faced with the evidence, they will either lie under oath or roll over and tell us everything. With Watergate they charged sixty-nine people with crimes, and more than half of them were found guilty. These people do not want to go to prison over this. The truth will come out.

A lot of people have said Trump will be impeached, and Pence will become President. It's time for us to give some thought to the line of succession because Pence will be impeached also. Pence will be guilty of the same exact crimes.

I knew having Trump as President was going to be entertaining but this is so much more entertaining than I had ever imagined.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654340)

Yep only one President in my lifetime was given articles of impeachment: Pres. Bill Clinton.

But facts and research aren't big in Rochard's posting style. :)

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21652357)

If all that speculation is true...then why do you guys keep posting it over and over?
Seems to me you should be kicked back happy and satisfied.

Instead it's a lot of posts full of vitriol and pure wishful thinking.

Just relax. If you are correct, then all of your dreams are gonna come true.

If not, there's absolutely nothing you can do anyway.

Me? I know what I voted for. The economy and jobs.
I'm a happy Drumpf voter and looking forward to the future.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21654352)

He is and both her and Obama did.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21652690)

President Nixon was not impeached, he resigned before he was impeached.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654340)

Yep only one President in my lifetime was given articles of impeachment: Pres. Bill Clinton.

But facts and research aren't big in Rochard's posting style. :)

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21654397)

No. Trump says or does something stupid, and then the next week it's forgotten.

Trump accused a former US President of a very serious crime, was proven wrong, and we have just glossed over it like nothing happened. Everyone is saying "Well, that's just Trump being Trump". Bullshit.

Why isn't Congress taking action against this?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21654457)

So please feel free to call me out when you think I am wrong and when you think I didn't research something.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21654373)

Clinton was impeached for lying about a blowjob under oath.

Can't wait until Drumpf is under oath and asked about Russia & his lie about Obama's wiretapping him :thumbsup

Ever notice how, when asked about Russian ties, he always says "in Russia" not "Russians"? He never says "I have no ties with Russians". That's not an accident.

Trump is corrupt to the core and you are on his team.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21654406)

The conclusions of all the Bengahzi investigations prove you wrong just as reality proves your Muslim paranoia wrong.

You should have more integrity with what you throw out there. Being a white nationalist isn't easy but it's the choice you made so stand on firm ground and stop being a pussy about it throwing conspiracies and lies out there.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654463)

Congress is taking action...they are investigating it.
And since you don't follow the news much...reporter James Rosen (the one that Obama put under surveillance a few years ago...you probably "forgot" about that as well) has said that he now has a "smoking gun" source that shows Pres. Obama DID have full knowledge of the Trump campaign being under surveillance.

Rochard...what was done to Trump is a HUGE attack on our Democracy.

And the reason that the things Trump says are "forgotten" by CNN is because he keeps turning out to be right. And CNN is embarrassed because (like you) they make proclamations that Trump is lying and make fun of him.

He truly is making CNN look bad. Real bad. And they hate it.

And yes...every time that the facts come out and prove Trump correct...CNN drops that particular story like a hot potato.

And they LOVE to say that "Trump never apologizes".
But you NEVER hear CNN do a retraction on Trump. Instead they double down with nonsense.

For instance...for weeks on end, CNN openly ridiculed Trump over his allegation that he had been spied on. They dropped all pretense of being journalists and just openly mocked the President Of The United States 24 hours a day on CNN.

And now that it turned out to be true? They spent 3 full days saying over and over that Trump STILL is wrong because he used the words "wire tapped" instead of "surveillance".

THAT my friend is BULLSHIT on the part of CNN. And once they failed to convince people of that...well, they simply "forgot" about the story.

They are about to be REMINDED of it in a big way if James Rosen's report comes out and proves to be a smoking gun.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654463)

Congress is taking action...they are investigating it.
And since you don't follow the news much...reporter James Rosen (the one that Obama put under surveillance a few years ago...you probably "forgot" about that as well) has said that he now has a "smoking gun" source that shows Pres. Obama DID have full knowledge of the Trump campaign being under surveillance.

Rochard...what was done to Trump is a HUGE attack on our Democracy.

And the reason that the things Trump says are "forgotten" by CNN is because he keeps turning out to be right. And CNN is embarrassed because (like you) they make proclamations that Trump is lying and make fun of him.

He truly is making CNN look bad. Real bad. And they hate it.

And yes...every time that the facts come out and prove Trump correct...CNN drops that particular story like a hot potato.

And they LOVE to say that "Trump never apologizes".
But you NEVER hear CNN do a retraction on Trump. Instead they double down with nonsense.

For instance...for weeks on end, CNN openly ridiculed Trump over his allegation that he had been spied on. They dropped all pretense of being journalists and just openly mocked the President Of The United States 24 hours a day on CNN.

And now that it turned out to be true? They spent 3 full days saying over and over that Trump STILL is wrong because he used the words "wire tapped" instead of "surveillance".

THAT my friend is BULLSHIT on the part of CNN. And once they failed to convince people of that...well, they simply "forgot" about the story.

They are about to be REMINDED of it in a big way if James Rosen's report comes out and proves to be a smoking gun.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21654523)

No conspiracy. It was a gun running operation gone bad plain and simple.

CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked' - Telegraph

The "conclusions" of the investigations are just for show. These people work work the government. They aren't going to put on live TV "Oh we were arming "rebels" via the consulate" but that wasn't the reason it was attacked.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21651700)

Sometimes the future is not clear.. I knew there would be blown head gaskets, but who would of ever thought it would be from so much winning..

MAGA literally any day now.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21651700)

I knew there would be blown head gaskets, but who would have ever thought it would be from so much of my whining.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654469)

I have! Many times. lol
And I would be happy if you are researching stuff before you post. That has been your weakness in the past when supporting your argument.

I personally have had to make sure that I don't use any links to any "conservative" sites. Because if you do...then the information is deemed false by the GFY fake liberals.

Having said that...make sure you don't fall into the trap of only finding the things you WANT to find that back up your original idea.
That's easy to do without meaning to.

I try (and don't always succeed...I'm only human) to keep an open mind and search for as unbiased a report on a given subject as I can find. It's awfully tempting to just find one that agrees with me 100%, but I try to keep looking and reading.

It's getting harder and harder to find unbiased "news" these days. You almost have to get a Fox News story, a CNN story, and an MSNBC story and then piece them together like Frankenstein to find what the real "truth" is.

And you definitely have to read the FULL story on each one.
Many times they will have some crazy headline click-bait like "Drumpf Kills Babys"
And then you have to read the story to the very last sentence where it will say: "CNN has no proof that this ever happened" lol

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21654523)

No conspiracy. It was a gun running operation gone bad plain and simple.

CIA 'running arms smuggling team in Benghazi when consulate was attacked' - Telegraph

The "conclusions" of the investigations are just for show. These people work work the government. They aren't going to put on live TV "Oh we were arming "rebels" via the consulate" but that wasn't the reason it was attacked.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21655117)

There is zero proof of the Donald being "wire tapped" or that he was under surveillance. There has been testimony by the Director of the FBI, and the NSA that there is zero proof of this happening. I have told you this before and yet you keep repeating the same misinformation.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21655354)

Oh, well if the FBI director and other Spy agencies said so then it must be true. heh-heh
Funny how Nunes came forward a week later and said he saw the documents with names UNMASKED in classified reports.

No, Steve...what the FBI and other spies said was that there had been no FISA warrant brought by the Obama Administration to put surveillance on Trump Tower.

There was a lot of very careful wording in their statements.
I guess you can say that Nunes is a liar. And Trump is lying. That's your prerogative. And oh yeah...James Rosen is lying.

Or you could say that the people who are PAID TO LIE (the intelliegence agency's) just might not be telling the whole truth of the matter.

If this blows out and Nunes and Rosen have their facts straight...there will be a lot of those spy's going to jail. Think about that for a second. If you were the guy who listened in on Trump and then unmasked his name and submitted a report that President Obama then changed the regulations to allow that RAW data to be distributed freely to every agency...well, I think you'd be scurrying to cover your ass too.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21655588)

You are also misstating what Nunes said. He stated that he did not have any evidence to show that the Donald had been directly or indirectly surveilled and that all of the surveillance that he knows about was perfectly legal. He is concerned that names were unmasked that should not have been unmasked during a perfectly legal surveillance of others and he wants to investigate to learn who did the unmasking. There is zero proof or indication that the Donald or any of his team were directly or indirectly surveilled. There is proof that names were unmasked that maybe should not have been unmasked and that is the concern of Nunes.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21655633)

You might be hearing it the way you want to. What I heard him say was that the Trump team was caught up in "incidental surveillance" that had nothing to do with the supposed "Russian" investigation and that surveillance ended up with names ILLEGALLY "unmasked" and THEN disseminated to 16 different agency's as Pres. Obama made a change in the way information is handled during the last few days of his administration.

The obvious question is: Who ordered the surveillance? And who unmasked those names. And who's decision was it to put those conversations that were "wire tapped" into official intelligence reports even though they had no reason to be there based on their value to national security, and what was the motive for Pres. Obama to change the regulations and allow that kind of raw data to be distributed to EVERY agency?

That's a whole lot of moving parts there to make sure that info was leaked with Trump and his team to make them look really bad.

There's a reason that all of the anti-Trump media outlets were able to get all of this intel that is supposed to be classified.
I do believe that Pres. Obama was looking for a little payback on Trump.

Why else would he decide to change the rules right before he left office? And why would he decide in his last few days to put sanctions on Russia?

I would ask you this: Do you think he would have done either of those things if Hillary had won?
I don't. That's why he waited until the last minute for the sanctions when he claimed he had intel saying that the Russians were trying to influence the election (you know, like they do EVERY election) way back last summer.

He didn't do anything because he didn't want to saddle Hillary with hyped up tensions between the U.S. and Russia for her presumed Presidency.

I'd say Obama stuck it to Trump hard.

But in this intel stuff...his underlings may have went too far. I think there will be jail time for several of them...and Pres. Obama had better hope that James Rosen is wrong and the "bombshell" he is saying he is about to finish up investigating doesn't put HIM in jail too.

That would be a nightmare.
But these days with politics? Nothing would surprise me.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21654490)

...the new Commerce Secretary is none other than Wilbur Ross who ran the Bank Of Cyprus. Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21655882)

You seem to be mixing speculative "news" reports into the mix. I am not using news reports at all. I am using what I have seen and heard come from the mouths of the leading players in all of this, including Nunes. I take every thing reported by the "news" media with a grain of salt and when the "news" makes a report and uses the words "a source or my sources" I place zero credibility in that report.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21650194)

there is not much to prove. he is crashing against his own brainwall on every corner.

islam ban - fucked twice
money for his wall ? - NO WAY
kicking obamacare ? - also no way - it is on ice already because even his own party will not vote for his fuck.
russian help him to get president? not proved but also not unproved yet
taxreturns - not on the table
in 62 days sitting on the president chair only 2 days were he did not say a PROVEN LIE (on some day it have been 4-5 lies)
international partners - he fucked all including britain
unemplyment rate - NADA - the last numbers of first uneplyoments heavy above prognoses
house sales - 30% less as pronoses (a sign that the new real estate crisis is already in people´s minds)

so what can be a reason to let him go on like that ?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21654340)

Yep only one President in my lifetime was given articles of impeachment: Pres. Bill Clinton.

But facts and research aren't big in Rochard's posting style. :)

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21656089)

You live in a dream world.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21655354)

Oh, well if the FBI director and other Spy agencies said so then it must be true. heh-heh
Funny how Nunes came forward a week later and said he saw the documents with names UNMASKED in classified reports.

No, Steve...what the FBI and other spies said was that there had been no FISA warrant brought by the Obama Administration to put surveillance on Trump Tower.

There was a lot of very careful wording in their statements.
I guess you can say that Nunes is a liar. And Trump is lying. That's your prerogative. And oh yeah...James Rosen is lying.

Or you could say that the people who are PAID TO LIE (the intelliegence agency's) just might not be telling the whole truth of the matter.

If this blows out and Nunes and Rosen have their facts straight...there will be a lot of those spy's going to jail. Think about that for a second. If you were the guy who listened in on Trump and then unmasked his name and submitted a report that President Obama then changed the regulations to allow that RAW data to be distributed freely to every agency...well, I think you'd be scurrying to cover your ass too.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21655957)

Well, Nunes is saying that he was shown the transcripts by a "source". But at least he is demanding the FBI to provide the transcripts so that ALL the committee (including Democrats) can see for themselves.

As I said earlier...you can choose to just say that Trump is lying, Nunes is lying, and James Rosen is lying.

I have no idea (and neither do you).
But I do know for a fact that our spy agencies all lie to the American people. It's what they do for a living. They spy on us, they lie to us, and they keep secrets from us (as well as kill people, assassinate leaders, and illegally overthrow foreign govt.'s).

And I see too many things all falling into line. As I also said before...I think Pres. Obama wanted some "payback" on Trump and fucked him pretty good in his last couple of weeks.

Somebody's head is going to roll for the unmasking of names if not the actual surveillance itself which at this point appears to have been done just to spy on Trump.
We'll see how far these politicians are actually willing to take it. Since I kind of think that they are all the same and the whole "Republican vs. Democrat" storyline is purely fiction...it will be surprising to me if they actually hold the spy agency's accountable.

But maybe for once they actually will.