your line of reasoning would be true under capitalism... under socialism however it's not...


imagine country has 10 people each making $10 = $100 total
50% gets paid in taxes, so government gets $50 for various gov services

now 1 person that is happy to work for $5 immigrates to your country
he replaces 1 of the 10 people that were productively employed, so now total = $95
producers are happy, cause now they pay $95 instead of $100
consumers are happy, cause it drives down the cost of goods, etc

BUT government (tax payers) is not happy, cause now they get $47.50 instead of $50
AND they have to feed the person that got replaced by the immigrant at lets say cost of $5, so government (tax payers) are left with only $42.50

... but $42.50 is not enough, so gov services need to be cut or taxes raised....


so immigration only works well under capitalism, under socialism the net result is certainly debatable, but likely negative like described in the simplified example above...

My sister, who lives in the Midlands, called me yesterday all happy that it was the UK's Independence Day. I asked her if when she voted she realized she was also voting for the breakup of the UK and the reunification of Ireland--admittedly, outcomes that aren't definite, but that are now possibilities. She doubled-down, claiming they'll never happen, and now that England will be keeping the darkies out it will all be unicorns farting rainbows.

I actually don't care--I left the septic isle over 30 years ago as I thought it was a shithole, and still think it's still a shithole--but my opinion is Brexit is a Bad Idea.

the real question is: what does your CAT thinks about it ? :winkwink:

This Romanian gypsy drug barons (EU) :1orglaugh
http://pics.livejournal.com/pryf/pic/005w9qcy

they are not Romanians....i see many similar faces and looks here and im not in Romania now...what country would it be? I will quote cyberseo here with his "hint".
well, the hint is: its not that far from Romania actually, and its not Ukraine :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Brexit is the best thing thats ever happened to this country. Just gutted its going to take 2 years to finalize. Wish it was quicker

This is gypsy's. They traded drugs in Russia in the 90s - when on they started hunting, they fled to Italy and Romania.:1orglaugh:ak47: #Endoftheflood

maybe, maybe...:winkwink:

Good, let Ireland deal with the red headed bastard stepchild that in NI... It's damn expensive.

No offence or anything but your sister is the one living day in day out with all the "Darkies" shit. If shes telling you its a problem what does that tell you

It tells me that, like Mrs. Scum, she doesn't like darkies...

My cat thinks it's time to eat.

meh !:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

your example is true in a closed environment...where no international trade exists and where exports are completely insignificant to the economy...most of what you said still stands true in the real world, where exports play a significant role, YES there will be less tax base...but the cheap workers allow you to produce/operate cheap...this in turn allows you to export at competitive prices...

you can not have a cake and eat it at the same time...you can pick only one option...either you keep the cake and you do not eat it....or you eat the cake and you do not keep it...it is impossible to do both...

exports for a country like US is maybe 15% of GDP, and majority of that is in sophisticated industries, requiring specialized skills and education... (finance, engineering, etc) so allowing uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor does very little to help with exports...

and you are right, you can't keep the cake and eat it too... you can't have socialism and uncontrolled immigration of unskilled labor, cause like I described earlier, uncontrolled immigration causes existing workers to get displaced, which then need to be supported by the state... completely defeating the potential benefits of immigration...

I can´t believe you want to listen to Farage...

have you not thought, he created the "not working" but making the EU "not work". He now has his pockets lined.

here, you can see how Trump´s making the US great again

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...35&oe=5965DBFE

it´s the same for Brexit.

As say Marine Le Pen modern globalisation it is "manufacturing by slaves for selling to the unemployed". But who beneficiary of this?

So Farage made the EU fail ?? Or what exactly is it you are saying here ??



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comrade !
nice to see you again !
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hint: find one error in above image


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how is it going Comrade ? Did you talk with your political officer about English course/classes ?

Also, Sarn, I see that you suddenly became quiet. Maybe you are right. Maybe it is time for small talk with your political officer, small conversation on what to do next.

I may have few advices for you: if you have no political advisor/ officer/ politruk ,its even worse my friend.

You have been brainwashed by the "wolves" from your government ! and you are being brainwashed everyday !

its never too late to regain common sense, Sarn. never too late. the quicker you will do it, the less painful it will be. lets start with one small step that may change your life entirely: turn off the state tv !

klinton you flooder :1orglaugh

Sarn, how were the consultations with Politruk ? Got the new assignement ? Well, I only hope that your weren'f fired (terminated, should I say ? ) , you are really charming guy. Your avatar is so sweet, it makes you really serious person.
You know, it is kind of insulting for us, if you come to english speaking forum, trying to persuade with your really charming broken english how the world should look according to Soviet's (upss.... KGBs ?) policies....Really charming indeed.
So, Sarn, dont be shy now. Take your time. Maybe even drink some chai/ tea, before you will hit reply.
1) What do you do in adult Sarn ?
2) Why you registered on this forum ?
3) what are your adult sites ? some urls ?

Well, if you will fail to provide it, Sarn, you know exactly well how it will end here. Termination, is the word, Sarn. just one small word to gfy admin, one contrmeasure from our side, and...
Sarn, we wont be satisfied with your short answer or some bullshit reply, like "you flooder", "hahaha", "whatever"....
You know that the time is now, Sarn. It was all sweet for years here, we almost got tricked, you put us into sleep with your amusing english, but now its time to say Sarn...Who you really are ?

I am coming for stolen you democracy comrade like grinch christmas :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Wrong... under socialism there is something that is called: "minimum wage"...

Dead wrong you should look up facts before posting........ https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-m...ee-55-million/ Plus they allow the EU to dictate basically everything the UK does......and don't forget the rest of the EU has NO defense budget or ability to defend themselves at all. Not to mention the immigrant problem that is costing the UK billions more. If you can't see what's happening in the world right in front of you, nothing I can do to change your mind but the EU is finished, it's dead, a failed experiment. A noble idea and cause but poor execution and too many competing cultures. The entire world can't be wrong, brexit, Trump, Merkel is finished, Hollande is finished, the Nordic nations are next to leave and elected right wing parliaments. Without the UK, the EU loses about half it's money, the rest is basically Germany and with the Uk gone it will put even more pressure on them, it's over. Just face the fact it failed.

As for NATO, without it and the US's huge military the EU is defenseless without the UK. The US pays 25.1% of the NATO budget, Germany is next up at 12% and the UK at 12%, Pull the UK and US and the EU is defenseless and if you think you are safe from aggressive nations, ask the Ukraine about that. There is a deal in place now for the EU to purchase 1200 F35 fighters from the US which would help the money situation, and before people disparage the f35, it just completed a combat test against the best 4 gen fighters in the world and shot down 15 of them for ever 1 f35 damaged. I just wished we kept the F-22 in production.

ok, thx for confirming that :-)
No answers, just twisting facts and avoiding answers like always from your side comrade
no URLs ?
adios :)

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21668920) Hey guys, they pay me 2-3 rubles for post and I post bullshit KGB propaganda here. I'm still working on my english, but blad, thats hard. I came here to spread disinformation as I'm part of "Active Measures" disinformation project. There are tens of thousands of us, Russia strong ! Here is my homepage

In 2016 UK's net contribution was 8.6 billion on a 120+ billion total. Although the UK is the second largest contribitor... it's still a small fraction of the total.

the $$ amounts don't even really matter in that example... if there are 10 jobs... and 11th person immigrates in, no matter what the minimum wage is at least one person will be out of a job, and under socialism the state (tax payers) will have to support him...

:winkwink::winkwink:

Correct but that is a different discussion... Immigrants working for lower wages pushing the locals out of labour isn't an argument... that was my point...

Brexitday, British independence day

Total cost of F-35 program, $1.45 trillion, could provide free college to every student in the U.S. for 20 years
https://twitter.com/mims/status/725074420771991552
How Much Money Does F-35 Fighter Jet Project Cost U.S.? | Money
Will develop your imagination(and paranoa) further :1orglaugh Before visual hallucinations:1orglaugh

Correct... we need 28 small and independent, but on a world scale, totally defenseless shitty tiny Euro-states... (that's including the UK)
Russia will give Brexit independence day a completely new meaning in let's say 20 years from now...:1orglaugh

While the rest of the world is scaling (economically, financially, military) Europe is minifying because the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures are more important than the geo political challenges of the 21th century. And this makes "the preservation of 28 tiny shitty cultures" a contradiction at the same time...:helpme

It's quiet in here... Whats up? The Independence party is over?

:1orglaugh

Where are we now??

Hence the walkout of the UN yesterday about banning Nuclear weapons, the UK has more aircraft carriers than all of Russia and more SLBM's at sea. Not to mention the US behind them all the way. Add in 500 F35 fighters that not even the best Russian fighter can touch and I think they will be fine. Plus the Uk spends more on defense budget than Russia only outmatched by China at 160 billion and the US at 600 billion. Even Pacifist France keeps 2 dozen ICBM's at the ready and several SLBM's at sea. In 20 years Putin will be dead and so will Russia's fragile economy, see what happened last year when oil hit a new low? With Solar in the US and China growing exponentially, Russia will be dead in the water.

Being the world's police isn't cheap and sorry but the US isn't a socialist shithole, I figured after seeing the EU try it you would have figured it out, if you other countries contributed at all we wouldn't have to do provide everything for you. You even buy our fighters instead of make your own.

From the standpoint of geopolitics, everything is still as usual.
Ukraine is occupied by the EU. Britain is under attack and have the threat of separation. USA is waiting for a blow from Asia)) :1orglaugh

The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back. In 2016 the UK government paid £13.1 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4.5 billion. So the UK's 'net contribution' was estimated at about £8.6 billion...........so by being in the EU the UK basically gave away 8.6 billion for what? Better trade agreements? They already have that.