Farage was the spokes man, he´s meddled behind the lines, made the EU look bad by not making the deals he could have & now it´s all gone to shit with little ole England possibly going to be sitting alone in this big world :(

He´s lined his pockets & now he´s going to line them more golfing with buddies in the US tea party.

It´s all about the tyrants getting richer, not caring for the planet we live.

I´m not wrong, the spokesman of each country can negotiate what needs to be spent on each country & as shown already the UK´s considering removing some education needs to cover cuts, there´s going to be more. The EU created a decent living for an average country, greed gets the better of many & now I think we will find greed will turn the UK into being a cesspit.

Also, You´ve posted lots about what and when with military tools, but most of the problems have come from the US, Russia & the UK sucking up behind the US, there´s no need for defence is there´s no problem to start with.

Also your percentages are incorrect.

oh, and if you notice, the piece of text on the article you posted above...

"The money we get back will be spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund if we left the EU. It’s not enough to look at the net contribution in isolation because what we get back isn’t fully under our control."

It doesn´t say an amount, I think leaving the EU was wrong. but hey, the UK´s done it now & that´s that :2 cents:

he´s not correct, the NATO budget´s different from that...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.677d8aa29871

strange when you say shitty tiny Euro States, you may aswel create an Islamic group of your own, trying to divide the world.

This is the POV I am trying to put across. If it wasn´t for world wars, there´s a lot more money to be put into education & the economy, the ozone, the world, one world we live in :2 cents:

the UK has 1/3 of its GDP from export...this is significant...even if only 10% were to be affected it would have a domino effect and hit the ones barely making it and so on...as for the US and its 15% they are a balloon economy with debt that somehow "doesnt matter" nothing makes sense in the US economy right now...everything is a racket there :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh the UK is a more normal country...ok it has a real estate racket of its own but the rest is ok...

Exactly! Not Russia threat for EU)

which is where now it could all go down hill, where the money the UK was receiving back was spent on things the government may or may not choose to fund now leaving the EU.

There´s going to be lots of losses for the country & people are still not understanding, they´re just seeing the figures & not realising many figures, lots of money wasn´t & isn´t accounted for that was given back to the UK.

You post nothing here than political nonsense and russian propaganda. no single business thread from you. who are you ever ? I think that the answer is obvious.
And comrade, tell your politruk to try harder, many people know here basics of eristics :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
its really insulting for me, and other people here, do you think that we are really idiots here ?:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
also, your level of english...is GFY such worthless that they send people like you here ? without even basics of f..english ?:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
ps. feel free to PM me some of your URLs (3 are enough). I will keep them 100 % confidential. If you will provide them, you will also prove with that that you are just brainwashed by your state TV (it does happen everywhere,not only in Russia, no worries, still some hope) nornal person, and not specop SPREADING RUSSIAN PROPAGANDA ON PURPOSE HERE.
deal ? I guess not, and that confirms my thesis once again...sad

If other countries offered their people the chance to vote to stay IN or get OUT, The EU would collapse overnight. It's only because the very Right Wing are pushing to leave that the people don't get the chance to vote.

Once the UK establishes trade outside the EU and limits migration to those who can contribute more than they take out. The country will thrive.

Why leave the UK where they have a voice and some power to join the EU where they will be nothing?

Because the nothing countries get more funding than they contribute. The problem is does the EU want more money pits?

Most migrants don't contribute financially, one only has to look at where they live. In a country like the UK where there are benefits for low wages, housing, children, unemployment, etc. The cost of migrants far outweighs the benefits. Unless you're a boss or landlord, then it's a license to rip off the Government.

Your idiotic comment relies on the countries all having workers at the $10 - $9 an hour wage level. Factor in the Third World where people work for $1 an hour and all fall apart.

Add the fact that those countries are educating people to advance and dominate high-tech industries and your argument is idiotic.

I do agree that people in the West have to be willing to pay more to keep fellow Westerners employed or pay very high taxes to support them not to work.

If the EU is so good, why are more of its citizens poorer now than they were 20 years ago? Look at the problems Spain is in because of the EU.

Rising debt, unemployment, homelessness, dropping GDP, austerity and a huge migration problem because of Merkel and the EU failing to tackle the problem. The EU is not working for the people of Europe.

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And the EU wants to add more countries who will fit into the bottom of that last image. Fucking Madness.

Under mass migration, automation and globalisation the bargaining powers of the workers disappeared.

The EU has to be forced to spend more on Defence.

The US needs to stop interfering in other people's wars that have no possible peaceful outcome.

The list of failure's they have in the ME should tell them that they will always lose in the end.

Then why are more and more voters voting to get out of the EU and swing to the right?



By taking money out of the richer countries and debt. What happens when the richer countries decide not to fund the poorer?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...ib_466x485.gif

Will Germany increase it's contribution to fund Spain?


Most of the problems come from the ME where terrorists are trying to control the oil.

The money we get back will be spent in the UK.


Shitty States being funded by the rich ones and that will have to increase.

UK money that's now wasted by the EU will be spent in the UK. On the things you suggest. Whatever it will be spend in the UK.

You post real nonsense here. Whether or not the Government decides to fund all the EU funding, the money stays in the UK.

At the moment the UK gives £13 billion and gets back £4.5 billion. So The UK loses £8.5billion. That's £8.5 billion that can be spent on schools, NHS, etc. Whatever the Government decides to spend it on, it will be money in the UK that Westminster will share out.

Now add these.
EU citizens on benefits.
EU citizens in a job a Brit could do.
EU citizens driving down wages.
EU citizens driving up house prices and rents.
EU citizens needing NHS care.
EU citizens needing schooling.
EU citizen criminals.

Now add the future problems of Automation destroying jobs.

The overall cost of EU membership is making the UK and Brits poorer.

Looking at today is really useless when it comes to politics. That's why I said "In 20 years".
What about Europe's fragile economy? Check out where the real growth is. UK's national debt is 81.58% of total GDP and rising:thumbsup
Aircraft carriers are useless against hundreds of long distance nuclear missles.
Next WW will be different.

Fact: China is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively expending their influence in the region.
Fact: Russia is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: Turkey is stepping on the stage of geo politics. Aggresively and passive agressively expending their influence; sabotaging others...
Fact: The US losing influence around the world. 15 years ago it was unthinkable Russia could interfere in Syria like they did while the US stood there, watched and did nothing.
Fact: The US turning to isolationist politics. The future of Nato is unsure.


The problem with the spoiled Euro youngsters: They never experienced war. Only read about it in the history books. They never experienced poverty. Wealth to them comes naturally. They think it was Always there and will Always be here only because the rest of the world grants us this wealth. The fact is that the wealth of the West comes from dominating; enslaving and exploiting other regions. Wars are being sold to the public on moral grounds. Behind the curtains wars are Always about protecting political/economical positions.

Looking at the US national debt... indeed... it isn't cheap.
In regards to your fighters.... The US coudn't have produced them without some EU businesses nor without countries ordering them and paying for them upfront. So basically the developtment of the joint strike fighter is a shared project of many countries (with level 1- level 2 and level 3- partnerships.)

Yeah so? The UK isn't the only country who pays more than it receives. For what? Yes... it's clear there isn't a European spirit neither there is a long term vision to protect the continent from the challenges of the 21th century.

The question is: who is trying to divide Europe?

In regards to wars.... Wealth is there where wars are won... Simple law of nature. The whole world is a battle for natural resources. The reason why pacifists are able to float in the air is because they deny the laws of nature.

True... and it needs a single coordinated army....

no my comment is based on the most simple laws of economy...its not really up for discussion because it is too simple...

this is what people in the west hate most: paying people in the west or buying stuff from the west

this is not going to change...

yeah nothing better than humans separating each other with fences. and britain telling eu that eu is not worth britain, you britain can go fuck yourself you ego masturbators! :2 cents: but i dont care anyway, they can keep their shitty weather, agressive people and black and muslim multikulti london for themself ... idiots ...

What are you smoke comrade? :1orglaugh
http://gifok.net/images/2015/04/22/vd0QpwEEgO4.jpg

why you hate agro-communism comrade :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh democracy is bad :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Where is the Czech Republic in this list?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...ib_466x485.gif

By leaving the UK can also keep its money and send home Czechs relying on benefits.

Agree there is no debate. Once those jobs and the money from producing in the West leaves, the West suffers. [/QUOTE]

It will have to or most Westerners are going to be living in poverty of just getting by. It's simple laws of economy, more money flows out or a country and the lower and middle classes are hit the hardest. Now tell us the Lower 50% aren't doing worse. To reveal your stupidity.

How much of the money you earn comes from Serbians and how much from Americans. That money is better off in America.

what a load of BS...


you´ve moved out of the UK because you prefer the European living, the UK´s going to close up & become a cesspit of un educated unemployed while the countryside, Britain´s asset´s going to become broken.

The EU gave much more back than what´s on paper, it´s to organisations that the government may not give to now. Similar to Trump cutting back on many needed payments, now the UK shall probably tighten its porn acceptable net & much more.

This Brexit´s going to hurt in a few years while over here in Spain, unemployment´s down & everyone I hear say they want to stay here & would have rather remain, as the EU does it´s job :2 cents:

So much so that everyone wants to leave. The UK is only the beginning...

They can't afford a decent army.

this is never going to change...the harder you get hit by the crisis the more cheap goods you will want to buy and employ cheaper...you can not have the cake AND eat it at the same time


well theres 2 solutions:

1) the west goes under...it can not compete...

2) the west closes its boarders to any international trade at all...closed ecosystem...you will still go under...the west can not afford to sell just to the west this is 1/5th of humanity total...the other 4/5ths of the market will not be accessible to you...you are delusional if you think imposing taxes on imports will not affect your exports or that other countries will not impose taxes and measures right back...la chateliers principle applies to everything not just chemistry...

you can not have the cake AND eat it...

Lets hope English is still taught.

all British people I know here are really cool and friendly and they can't understand why this Brexit thing is being done to them.

but apparently staying on an island for too long, does something to your head

besides Paul - he wins the hypocrit of the century award

but fortunately i have to listen to this whining for only 2 more years - because after that everything will be peachy and only roses for everybody in the UK and milk and honey will flow and nobody will be without a job.

and in case this won't happen just stfu anyways - you wanted it this way :glugglug

:thumbsup:1orglaugh

actually, this article is really well written and balanced, I recommend reading it :)
Russian Active Measures and Influence Campaigns - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Also, one quote from it:
Since Russia cannot compete toe-to-toe with the West, its leaders have embraced a wide range of tools—information warfare in all its forms, including subversion, deception, dis- and mis-information, intimidation, espionage, economic tools, including sanctions, bribery, selective favorable trading regimes, influence campaigns, etc. This toolkit has deep historical roots in the Soviet era and performs the function of the equalizer that in the eyes of the Kremlin is intended to make up for Russia’s weakness vis a vis the West.

another quote:

Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election is likely to be seen by the Kremlin as a major success regardless of whether its initial goal was to help advance the Trump candidacy. The payoff includes, but is not limited to a major political disruption in the United States, which has been distracted from many strategic pursuits; the standing of the United States and its leadership in the world have been damaged; it has become a common theme in the narrative of many leading commentators that from the pillar of stability of the international liberal order the United States has been transformed into its biggest source of instability; U.S. commitments to key allies in Europe and Asia have been questioned on both sides of the Atlantic and the Pacific. And last, but not least, the Kremlin has demonstrated what it can do to the world’s sole remaining global superpower.

and another quote, makes me sad about all these brainwashed Russians, typical fucking crooked government raping its nation to get more power:
Whereas there are some voices inside Russia who, like the leading anti-corruption activist Alexei Navalny, have challenged the many domestic failings and authoritarian leanings of the Putin government, there are hardly any who have challenged its foreign policy record. Worse yet, the Kremlin propaganda has been apparently so effective, and the legal constraints imposed by it so severe, that few Russian opposition voices dare to challenge the government’s foreign policy course for fear of being branded as foreign agents, enemies of the people, and fifth columnists.

better ask your Politruk to prepare some alibi comrade, you will soon need it on this forum :-) bolded text is especially for you, but only if you are just brainwashed :)

After that the KGB is blamed of punitive psychiatry :1orglaugh

"blamed" comrade ? it was a FACT.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politi...e_Soviet_Union

information warfare in all its forms, including subversion, deception, dis- and mis-information, intimidation, espionage, economic tools, including sanctions, bribery, selective favorable trading regimes, influence campaigns, etc.

you will be soon banned from this forum........I just dont have time to do it today. bye

OOk just relax :1orglaugh All good. Putin sleep now and not will stole you democracy. :1orglaugh
https://otvet.imgsmail.ru/download/4...b058_i-400.jpg

he wont...he already stole yours.
now go back to sucking KGB dick :-)

No, I will vote for Putin twice :1orglaugh

like Scotland & Ireland? :thumbsup

you mean "Let´s"?

yes, let´s hope :thumbsup

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I have repeatedly said that migrants like you and me were allowed to migrate before the EU made it possible for everyone to migrate. The problem with the EU policy is it allows low-skilled, low paid and unemployed to move and leech off countries or put native workers out of a job or on a lower pay. Benefitting only the rich. So we can assume by your stance you're a staunch capitalist/conservative.

Countries that hope to by beneficiaries of the EU. Getting back more than they put in.

The crunch will come when Westminster has all the spare cash to redistribute it sends some to those countries. At the moment every £4 spent by the EU in the UK costs the UK £8.

You must have missed my post about what EU funding costs the UK.

I may not be cool or friendly but I understand perfectly :winkwink: I also understand that it'll take longer than 2 years... and that it's not necessarily about nobody being without a job - not sure why people say things like that - it's like me accusing people who wanted to remain of believing 'everything will be peachy and only roses for everybody in the UK and milk and honey will flow and nobody will be without a job' - I highly doubt any sane person of either opinion has ever said that.

Just like not all leftists want to welcome ISIS, and not all muslims are terrorists - not all brexiteers are racist homophobes despite the dirty tactics and smear campaigns of the remain camp (and ofc, there was plenty of smear shit from the leave camp too). Everyone has their reasons for wanting in or out, but honestly the whole thing is comical, as is any political difference of opinion - I don't get half as worked up about my football team as people do with their political beliefs - and lets not forget, beliefs/viewpoints is ALL they are for anyone.

There will ALWAYS be the bad shit that goes on in the world like wars, racism, homophobia, and so on - being in or out of the EU won't change that, regardless of the desperate hope that some people have that it will, and there'll always be good things like foreign aid, people being decent to each other, and so on, regarless if we are in the EU or out of it (or if the EU even exists) - the (probably) deciding factor for me was: do I think more gov't is best overall for people, or less. My belief is that the answer is a resounding 'no'. <--- this is over-simplified for the sake of a quick post, after all this is gfy where I give a fuck about what 0.00004% of members here think, or would explain in an in-depth conversation with :)