The production of goods, jobs and the basis for all economies follows the slaves and the slave wages market.

When America was born, Euro businesses moved to America to grab up cheap slave labor.

Then when that burned out, the new slaves rose in China.

Now India and the regions around there are the new hot spot for slave workers with slave wages....

AND.... After Chinese workers and Indian workers become too expensive...

The world will once again revolve around Africa as the last resource for slave workers with slave wages.

The circle of global working slaves will be complete.

ok thread recap:

not buying american and hiring american is bad mkay?

unless you are "elite" like trumpy and polio...in that case you are immune to hypocrisy because of double standards :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

so please do not do like paul did, do like paul says mkay?

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Let me explain the fallacy of this argument.

It's based on China, India and other advancing countries not taking the services, technical know-how and advanced machinery from the West. what evidence do you have to back that up?

Because I have all the evidence you need that these countries are advancing fast and taking these markets. Did you hear they now do computer programming in India?

What is the current poverty rate in the United States? - UC Davis Center for Poverty Research

Read it and see why I say that. A small decline doesn't mean there isn't an overall rise compared with previous decades. You have to look at the long picture.

Also, read some of these articles showing why people are not slipping further down. It explains why Debt is rising so fast. https://www.google.cz/webhp?hl=en&gw...merica+by+year Forget the blame on Obamacare and look at the figures pre-Obamacare. Are you willing to pay more in taxes to support those who have a job that pays too little to keep a family and to those without a job?

Yes. Have you any that show the opposite? I suggest you show them then.

Here's a start. https://www.google.cz/webhp?hl=en&gw...s,+eu+GDP+2050

At least look for an opposing argument before offering one.

The world is moving to automation.


Back in the days of empires and slavery. The wealth produced flowed into the West, mainly Europe until the rise of America, then with slavery into the hands of Americans as well.

Now wealth is flowing into the hands of Chines, Indians, etc. Outside the West. And in the West into the coffers of a very elite few who don't allow it to trickle down because they now spend the money on foreign products and put it into tax havens.

Imagine you work for a site that has 1,000 members signing up every week. Then someone comes and takes 1% of those members and gives them the same product for less or free. Profit drops because of similar costs to run the business. There is no prospect of the business growing 1% because the competitor keeps taking more of the market than you can create new business.

That has been happening to the West for the last 50 years.

Now add the effect of your boss replacing you with a machine.

So you forgive all those who want to sell jobs to the Third World, so long as they don't say it's wrong.

Join the Stupid group with the others. New Nick will find you a seat.

no I am realistic and recognize the flaws of capitalism and human nature...I do exactly what you did, outsource and automate everything I possibly can, and I spend most of my time thinking about how to cut costs and employ as few people as possible for the least amount of money....only I do not blame others for it, I accept personal responsibility and recognize the negative effect it will have in the long run...nobody is to blame for what I am doing but me...

pick one of the 2 possible scenarios and live with it:

1) cheap goods and low wages in the west

2) expensive goods and no buying power in the west

there is no possible 3rd scenario...

So Paul you have a private pension, yet you still claim state benefits in 2 different countries ?

:1orglaugh

we get it - you divide the world into the white superiors that should stay among themselves and then the rest of the world that has to remain at farming level cause you won't allow them any development

More like "elites" and "non elites". Paul is obviously an "elite" group. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You are all missing the real picture. We live in the Matrix.
 

First of all the true unemployment rate is NOT 4.5%. Research how they calculate the unemployment rate, then shut up. Just playing.
I will give you a head start.

As an example
It is my understanding that
Bill Clinton greatly decreased the unemployment rate when he took office.
Not true! Unless you consider changing the calculation/algorithm as a valid way to decrease the unemployment rate.
What was changed?

If you were registered with an employment agency, working or not, just registered, you were then considered EMPLOYED. Manpower, an employment agency, became the largest employer in the U.S. the day that change was made.

Registration with an employment services is still considered employment.

Let us now consider something else.
The average hourly time spent working by an American has decreased dramatically. For example JCPenny only hires people for 20 hours each week. (last time I checked)
They also decrease all 30+ hour employees to 20+ hour employees.
This increased JOBS, but not MAN hours.

You need to do more than watch the nightly news to have a clue what is going on.

These are just two example of how what you think is WRONG. Not because you are stupid but because you are ignorant.

Consider this before you start insulting people for sharing their Ideas or hatred.

WILL ROGER once said
"It aint what you dont know that is the problem it what you know that aint true that is the problem."

All governments and politicians lie to us to control us.
All governments and politicians mislead us to control us.

The problem is not people being uneducated the problem is that they are educated just enough to believe what they are taught and not educated enough to question what they have been taught.

Question your own beliefs. Research what is really going on.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of in extinguishable debt.
Henry Ford

To close before you reply and type in crap in an attempt to insult me or anyone else.


Robert McCloskey ? ? I know you think you understand what you thought I said but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant?











This has not been proofed.

Paul you are just an old fool that likes to argue.

Jealous?

So the superior whites are denying the inferior other races, the right to develop. Why are you so racist assuming the Whites have the upper hand?

Now you have to make a case of why the other races need Whites to allow them anything. After all Africa, Middle East, South America, Asia, etc. Have $trillions in natural resources, so why do they need anyone to allow them?

Chinese, India, etc. A doing fine without asking.

Stop looking at it as thing about race and start looking at culture.

Of course, I get my Government pensions. You get food parcels, housing benefits, unemployment, child benefits, etc.

So you think to Buy and Hire Foreign is going to make America strong.

No need to argue with the dumbest.

Paul Markham hypocrite elite ROR!

Paul Markham Paul markham-ed but he does not want others to Paul Markham Nooooooo....


Remember folks it's ok only when Paul and Trump fo it...But you should not mkay?

Yeah Paul I'm dumb and you are so fucking smart.

BTW, in the USA the workers Unions were saying that crap 30 years ago and they lost half their jobs because they refused to adapt and died.

You still have your "coal miners" union card?

if Paul Markham had his way he would ban the 3rd world from producing anything and force them to turn back to agriculture and being colonies of the UK...imagine the gall of 3rd world countries wanting freedom and producing stuff :mad::mad::mad::mad:

it is totally the 3rd worlds fault that americans do not buy american :mad::mad::mad:

3rd world people literally put a gun to the head of americans and be like "dont buy american" :mad::mad::mad:

but paul has a solution: everybody but paul should hire american and buy american :thumbsup

paul is "elite" it does not apply to him :2 cents::2 cents:

It doesn't matter what country your in, buy local, shop local should always be your motto.

i can´t remember if i have ever seen someone who have so much NOCLUE of eceonomy as you have paul.


60 years ago it was rare to find ANY motorcycle because peopel had to work 10 years for it.

what does prosperity mean for you?

is it when just a few rich can afford to buy a motorcycle or when everyone is able to pay for it?

second of all:

your numbers are simply WRONG because the motorcycles produced in europ today are 100 times more as 60 years ago.

sure maybe only 10% of all motorcycle drivers have one but this 10% are even 10 times more than 60 years ago.

did you at least calculate how many people INSIDE A COUNTRY get a job from selling this goods ?

and what?
THIS is theri advantage - if UK does not have an own one I AM SORRY !!!!

and what ?
if the chinese would not produce the parts for boeing do you really think that boeing would still exist?

out of that - dis you maybe look what the major country is what buys planes from boeing?

it is CHINA you dumb !!!!

forget trump - this motherfucker did NOTHING yet and will not do anything good in the future.

i don´t know where you get your fairytales from but if you would only have 1% clue of what you are talking about you would look on indicators like. this is one of the MOST important indicators and the last one of last week was 70% AMONG THE EXPECTATIONS !!!

and sure you do not read about that because you will not even understand what that means - you do not even know that it exists - same as all other bullshitters do not know what it means and just having a big mouth.

trump is on the best way to ruin the country (if there is anything more to ruin).

even the big companies in USA are going to court against him because he is starting to kill the econonmy.

this is not a process what you can see in 100 days - but it is a process what needs 10.000 days to fix it.

i tell you what - look on germany

we have the highest personal taxes worldwide (exept belgium) the highes wages - Germany imports from china and all the world without duty - we are the biggest car production in the world but most cars on german streets are not german.
we have the highest number of foreign workers and immigrantes

we have something even MUCH HARDER AND MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE than obamacare
and we have more elder people to pay pension as young what are still in work.

and germany get blamed for what?

for the highest export surplus in the world and the the most stable economy.

if that is true what you say - WHY A FUCK it is not in germany where all this "mistakes" you are talking about are done?

you do NOT have a clue paul - better give up - you would be the same idiot in a president chair as trump is.

When I was remodeling my bathroom I bought a Jacuzzi brand (Italian corporate ownership ) toilet, manufactured in China (for Jacuzzi (or by Jacuzzi)) and shipped by (unknown ocean freight co nationality) and sold by an American retailer. Good product with profit made globally.

What surprised me was the cost of shipping that toilet, boxed it weighed about 85 lbs (39kg). Bottom line the similar American made product (American Standard) cost 70% more and the only difference was the smooth base design -- better but not price justified by that alone. The Kohler brand equivalent top end (USA made) cost 130% more. The cheap POS toilet cost 80% of the Jacuzzi brand toilet I bought.

Americans spout that same nonsense then shop at Walmart and buy the cheapest usable product.

But when you buy coal it's Made (Mined) in America. Bags of cement are made locally. Electricity is made locally. List goes on but all in situ services are locally furnished but the products consumed in providing those services' origin will vary.

So, according to Paul I should not be looking for ways to use a new mobile broadcast platform to allow developing world models to enter the webcam world and sell lost cost high value shows to my customers in the developed world. The new sourced product also represents a price point that new customers can afford to pay.

According to Paul the world should reduce global trade so overpriced products will have a market again. Lots of US Americans are making good money dealing with today's global market -- I for one am ...

This is why Paul is out of business and parrots the stupidity of losers. You got to roll with the punches in life. Being a line worker making a low value added product is not an occupation for the future in a post industrial economy -- you are going to be a loser.

Moral of the story there is a seat for every ass. People should be able to buy the best value, pay for status brands or buy cheap shit.

true !!!!

and american standard is the biggest and most expensive bullshit in the world - made in thailand btw and except expensive it has nothing.

what i can not understand is, that a person like paul who lived the last years of his business from GLOBAL MARKETS can be so stupid.

i mean let´s say the all US programms fire the asian mediabuyers and webmasters out and just leave the US webmasters to promote them. how fast you think they are bancrupt? 2 years or 1 or less ?

how many jobs are than safed and how many killed?

how can an exportnation think to export to someone who does not have jobs in the country?
where should this money come from?

and last not least it is not a question how much someone makes it is a question of how much he can buy for that money. and this is the main point in all that bullshit.
where is properity if a worker have to work 1 year to buy the produc he is producing when he can buy 10 of this products when they are produced abroad?

it is very human that people only remember the good things of the past but in fact it is not true. who could afford going to holidays every year 60 years ago? who had a car or 2 60 years ago? how many hours people worked 60 years ago? how many times they could afford to go to eat 60 years ago?
and i could could on with this endless list.......


not ONE of those who claim 60 years ago everything would have been better would endure even one day if you put him in a time machine and beam him back there.

nothing was better - exept the air we breathed.