Point out where they stop countries borrowing more than they can afford to repay and where the debt is centralised. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Central_Bank

It's because there was no control that allowed countries like Greece, Spain, Italy, Portugal to sink into debt.

Also, point out where the debt is wiped out by countries and centralised.

Name one EU country that has successfully increased the overall wealth of all the population. Now name the rest.

I never said the Right will deliver anything, I said they offered. So far the only people to grow their wealth are the top tier, most of the rest are getting poorer. Because of EU policies.

People aren't turning to against the EU because they're happy with what the EU is doing.

are you really that dense or do you just play this as a joke on message boards?

serious question

cause your post is right up there with the most stupid things i ever read on the internet

I like Paul. Poor guy :(

Will the other 24 countries sit back and allow France and Germany to decide the future of the whole of Europe? Macron thinks so.

i dont know about you, but for me thats situation like that :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
https://www.wsj.com/articles/greece-...nds-1440059868
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/29/where-did-the-greek-bailout-money-go
the same with other "PIGS" countries

So awesome that "far left leftist" Emmanuelle Macron was overwhelmingly chosen by the freedom living people of France to be the new, youngest president of France in history!!

Aaawwww it'll be ok. You've backed two losing candidates now.

You're officially on the wrong side of history :1orglaugh:321GFY

Who pays you to post here?

The vast majority is against you. Wake up and stop thinking people who disagree with you are part of some vast conspiracy.

Redhats jimmies have officially been rustled...

Ronald Reagan presided over the largest economic period of growth in history during his 8 years. Yes much larger than Bill Clinton's even. Unemployment when he came in was over 10%, when he left was zero or anything below 4.5 is considered zero. His is pretty right though some say more centrist than they realize. He didn't kill millions, started no wars that lasted more than say a few weeks, grew the GDP and built up the military enormously.

No Bladewire, that's you who do that. We don't freak out over other opinions, that's you too. BTW those you who think Russia and Putin give one fuck about France are funny. The French can be overrun by a gang of teens with knives, have been for all of it's history, they have no spine. He could overrun them with Le penne or Maccron. He probably is more interested in the Germany vote coming up since it is the sole economic driver of the EU now that the UK is gone.

The worldwide alt-right "movement" is over, even Trump rejected their ideology.

You misunderstood my question. This is about all the countries in the EU with unmanageable debts. A central currency should have central taxes, spending policies and borrowing limits. With a Central Bank responsible for repaying the debt.

Read this https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ilout-money-go It rightly points out the money was used to repay the banks and some added to the greek debt. there should be no Greek debt, it should be EU debt.

The EU is only afloat because of borrowing. At what point do the lenders say, screw you it's no longer viable to give you more or just raise the interest rates for every EU country?

I asked a simple question, you couldn't answer it. To do that you need to produce proof that wages are rising for all sectors of the population, not just the 1%. That debt isn't funding the entire system.

So if it's stupid it should be easy to answer the question. Show us the citizens that have benefited. I'll start it off. Czech's have. They have migrated enough low-skilled people out of Czech to benefit the ones left. Probably Poland as well.

Now go look at the leading industrial nations who took those low paid workers and dependents.

This is why people are voting to get out of the EU.

Look at his policies. He promised to solve all their problems by flooding the country with money and keeping on the same course that created the problems.

33% didn't believe him and voted for a very Far Left opponent. Once a less Far Left candidate emerges and promises the French a referendum on continued membership of the EU, he/she will win.

Then why are they increasing their vote share every election?

Do stop typing Paul - you are looking very silly now.

The extreme right have just been soundly beaten in Holland and France yet you are claiming victory ?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Thanks Trump!

Short learning curve for the world ...

No, I'm claiming a growth in the support the Right Wing is getting. Are you claiming their votes are falling? That would be silly.

The UK has a similar idiot running for office. Jeremy Corbyn has based all his policies on taxing the rich, them staying in the UK to be poorer and growing the number of people in work without it costing the Government more rather than costing the Government.

In the UK people are subsidised by the government because of their low pay. Making some people in work a liability rather than a contributor.

He also intends to keep the doors open to more liability migrants. Who will quickly fill the 1 million low-rent houses the country has been forced to build.

Thankfully the British realise he's thinking it's still the 1960s and won't vote for him. Unlike the French who think that more spending is the way out of debt.

Reagan...

https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0


Also Reagan would be considered a bleeding heart libby by todays standards of Ted Cruz and the other GOP facists :2 cents:

Local election results: Ukip loses almost every seat it had in night that could spell disaster for the party | The Independent

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...at-it-had-held

may I quote you:
How about all of them? All. Every. Fucking. Single. EU. Country.

And nice that you acknowledged that for CZ at least - kind of obvious even for you when you stick your nose outside your door.

And when countries like Italy, Portugal, Spain or Greece have a high youth unemployement, it is most certainly not the fault of the EU but the result of idiotic politics and corruption of the local governments. Still those countries do better today than before the EU when they were military dictatorships (you should remember that, you're old enough)

And don't you ever dare to blame the downfall of the UK industry on the EU, you fucked it up yourself with your ridiculous unions and permanent strikes until you had successfully ruined every part of the industry. Just take the car industry - you ruined it in the 1970ties and 80ties by producing so much rolling pieces of shit until people had enough and bought rather german, french or japanese.

But now you may return to protecting your borders and industry and your toothless bums can return to hammering together worthless pieces of rust with 3 wheels you called cars and everyone is happy cause you are least among yourselves. :thumbsup

if there is one silly person on here...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...at-it-had-held

Without France and the UK. The EU can't survive.

The EU is anti-democratic in its drive to stop any other country from having a referendum. because it knows other countries will vote OUT. Bringing to a halt the bureaucratics drive to rule Europe from the centre.

Will the EU block EU countries selling to the UK to punish the UK? This will result in millions of EU citizens losing their jobs and millions of EUcitizens in the UK having to return home or like me being forced to apply for a residence permit.


So why isn't the EU taking steps to make itself better for the majority of EU citizens?

The only good thing about the EU is the free trade agreement between nations. Unfortunately, they have expanded that to take away the ability of nations to strike trade deals on their own. now it takes up to 9 years to get a trade deal decided that suits no one as it has to fit the needs of nations like Greece and Germany. It's handling of the debt crisis, globalisation, migration is pitiful and making the lives of ordinary Europeans worse.

He offers more spending and no way to reduce the need to spend. So just like every other politician who came before him.

The West desperately needs to cut back on the migration of low skilled and low paid people, it needs to slow down the haemorrhaging of jobs to the Third World. These two measures will bring back jobs and raise wages, therefore slowing down on the need for the State to subsidise people. At the moment it's doing the opposite and the growing debts are a testament to the failure of politicians. Including those in the EU.

just one instance that shows why the EU needs to spend money on benefits.

https://thenetworkone.files.wordpres...-story-top.jpg

There will be huge job losses across the EU if the bureaucrats stop the EU selling goods to the UK. Or do you think the job losses will all be in the UK?

Will the EU risk those job losses to punish the UK and risk its own survival?

Which is exactly what his predecessors do. The way you rant one would think he started all those things.

UKIP got what it set out to do. To get the UK out of the EU.


So why is poverty increasing and wages dropping in so many of the EU countries. while debt sky rockets.


The EU gave them the Euro that allowed those politicians to borrow beyond their means. Allowed Thrid World nations to steal jobs and mass migration to lower wages.

The UK has the fastest growing GDP in the EU and 5th largest in the World.

And the EU can keep its doors open to Thrid World migrants to enter and jobs to leave.

Those voters are now voting Tory. And many Labour voters are switching to the Tories.

http://www.ukelect.co.uk/maps/UKElec...20141101UK.jpg

https://ig.ft.com/elections/uk/2017/polls/

Could you be more wrong?

EU people want cheap china shit...china is in no way to blame for being competitive and the EU being greedy...nobody can force an EU person to buy cheap china shit...nobody...it is free will...free market...

There are very easy ways to see how countries are treating the average citizens.

Take GDP per Capita. Deduct, inflation, Debt per capita and the share the top 20% are taking. The results are most people are worse off than they were and there's no sign of any change and a lot of signs of things getting worse.

At the moment the EU has no intentions of stopping mass migration from very poor countries outside the EU. this will reduce earnings and increase the need for more people to need benefits.

It has no intentions of balancing trade with Third World Nations that are taking jobs from EU workers.

As Automation also takes more jobs, where will the money come from the pay for the benefits of the growing numbers who will need them?

Will the rich be rich enough and willing to pay high enough taxes to subsidise the needy?

I agree. People are prepared for others to lose their jobs so they can buy cheap shit. That is until it's their job that's being lost.

And it will not stop. What happens when your customers can't afford your products?

All that's needed is a tariff to balance the damage cheap Chinese shit does to the economy oof the West.

Jesus Markham, you missed your calling, what a waste.

Just think of the things you could have achieved if you had resisted the call of $10 girls in Eastern Europe.

Fool.

and they will impose tariffs right back at you...the UK is 3% of all chinas exports...china is 3% of all UK exports...3% is 3%...you are right back at square one...

you are cherry picking consequences again..."I will eat fat and only my tits will grow"...

these are your 2 possible choices:

1) robots
2) cheap 3rd world labor

in both scenarios the high paid western worker is a thing of the past...not because of china...but because of westerners and their own greed...here is the perfect example:

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ing-wages.html

this is not really correct because britain is improting more as it is exporting - but you can´t blame other countries when a country does not have any goods competible in the market.

the biggest mistake of britain was to keep the pound instead of joining the euro.

i mean if you have a company and order something from another country on the currency they have - what will you prefer? to have a realiable information about your buying price or playing lottery ?

with importing more than exporting the currency also lost on value with the time and that makes it harder for britain to import but still cheaper as to produce it in the own country.

the desicion to be in a union but keep the own currency did not do good for any country.
even denmark have still problems even when the danish crown is connected to the eurp with a +/- of 2,5%.

the point what people like paul don´t understand are

1. you can´t be A BIT pregnand
2. no contry in the world can survive without the global markt.
3. even whan you accept the global market you will not get things for free
4. the advantages of a global market are advantages for every single individual but it is hard for a small country to survive or even beeing seen in it. that was the idea of every union in the world and with every union the world had a bigger growth. that was like that - is like that - and will be always like that.
any argument against the globalizm is an argument against prosperity and progress and it is also dangerous for the world because GLOBAL problems getting bigger and bigger every day and they will not be resolved with small and smaller units of people who ONLY think in themselves.