War war WAR!

Yeah, Iraq and Afghanistan. That went well didn't it?

Quickly? you call 10+ years quick?

Drink the Kool-Aid if you want.

I am more concerned with keeping the nuclear materials necessary to create crude dirty bombs out of political terrorist hands. As long as ships are coming and going from North Korea this is the only 'clear and present danger' (as they say).

Half ass sanctions only create financial need. If Fat Boy wants to get back at the west this is his easiest way.

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Our enemy's enemy is not our friend ...

This is a lot more complex than Trump sending the Great US Armada to change the world. As long as your enemy has the will to fight on you have no victory.

Only a pyrrhic victory ...
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saddam did not attack USA - he was attacked for chemical weapons what he never had.
before this "great" war there was nobody dying in the streets of bagdad after this stupid "cleaning" there are hundrets of people dying every day.

and why than USA have to throw one bomb for the price of 314 million dollar if that problem is resolved?

you should inform yourself a bit better about this fucking war there and it´s reasons.

don´t missunderstan dme but you won the WW2 with the help from 80% of the rest of the world against a country what have the size from texas.

hitler was the same idot as trump and thought he can rule the world - Gerams have been tired already on this war on dday - if not the whole alliance would not make a footstep there.

remeber - the strongest army in the world in the beginning of WW2 was the french and it took hitler 2 weeks to overrun them and collect seashells at the atlantic.

it is easy to win a war with help of the rest of the world against people who are tired from war and lies. if they would meet believers at ohama beach it would be the last people they had met.

yes bu you went out 100% - vietnam is a communist country what it would be also without tenthousands of dead US soldiers.

they had no aircrafts - no tanks - not modern weapons - not enough to eat - but they had the will to die for what they believe.
you underestimate the will of people and you overestimate the power of US.

Excuse me... Did you say the USA have won WWII? How many Nazi troops, tanks etc were killed/destroyed by Americans? Oh, maybe the US army have took over Berlin? Why I can't see stars and stripes on the US flag over Reichstag then?

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The USA was on the winning team -- they were a major factor on the Western front and Russian Army was the main factor in the Eastern front -- what happened after the war was won is another matter 'comrade' -- that has evolved into the cluster fuck we live in today. Maybe, history will prove out that WW2 was a Pyrrhic victory too.

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You are confusing a war with a police action.

Let's put things into perspective.

In Afghanistan we removed the government and defeated their military in about a month. Combined with the resulting police action which is still ongoing, the United States has lost a grand total of 2394 men.

In Iraq we removed the government and defeated their military also in about a month. Combined with the police action, we lost a grand total of 4818 men.

Compare that with the twenty million people Russia lost during WWII. Then compare that with the fifty thousand the US lost in Vietnam.

Then keep in mind that a lot of the people we lost in Afghanistan and Iraq were "non hostile" - accidents and what not. Don't believe me? LOL, okay:
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The government we put in place in Afghanistan is still in place, and the government we put in Iraq is still in place. If fact, the new Iraqi military is fighting ISIS for us.

well i talk about THEIR perspective not from the real one.
we both know that the ww2 would have another end if a few things would not happen

1. the biggest alliance (in wich USA was a huge part) against Germany
2. if hitler would not touch russia
3. if Germans would not wake up and saw that they were running far over the limit what they expected when the war started.

but actually i do not want to blame US people for the "we won the war" that is kind of kindergarten and we know they need it for their ego. what i want to say is that you can´t win a war against people what are believing in what they are fighting for.

this is also the reason why a war against islam terror can´t be won because the actual policy is producing everday a few thousand new ones. and this is easy to explain because even for us who were growing up with education and far more options for information it is very hard to understand what is going on there. how can somebody expect a better knowledge a better education and a better information in those countries. all what these people see are bombed houses and dead neighbours and family members and someone who is tellimg them who have thrown this bombs.

What would have been the problem with allowing NK to overrun SK back in the 50s? Or NV over running SV in the 60s? Or ISIS overrunning Syria or Contras winning in wherever that war was going on. Or the Russians staying in Afghanistan.

These regimes are doomed to fail because of the madmen with their pseudo-communist beliefs that mean that live on the fat while the rest live in squalor. China was bankrupt until the US started to open the doors for it to sell goods to the West. Now it's a huge military and economic threat.

The US polices the world to make the rich very very wealthy. And has made the world a less safe place.

I agree with you. Just allow these countries to kill each other and when it's over ignore them or buy the oil off the winners. America trying to stop them killing has always led to more deaths.

it sounds hard but in that case i agree with you 99%
i think that every country have the right to change to whatever they want to be.
we do it with elections and they do it by smacking their heads off.

the only problem in that is that most of these coups are not wanted from the majority and the coup makers are financed from other countries with interests there.

this is exactly what we see now in syria.
on one interest site they call the insurgents "terrorists" (what is true in the main) and on the other interest site "oppressed people" (what would be than a part of their culture because it is since 100ds or 1000ds of years like that and nobody ever cared).

US always prefers violence over diplomacy. Not much profit in diplomacy. :2 cents:

How ironic -- 70 years ago Germany threatened all of Europe. Who did you call -- Ghostbusters?

Europe is lucky Japan attacked the USA at Perl Harbor otherwise WW2 might have been a proxy war for the Americans and all of Europe would be speaking German or Russian today.

this is very possible - if hitler would not hate comminists and would stay on his word to stalin WW2 would end VERY different.

hitler would not lose a war against the west alliance - he lost against the cold of the russian winter and he lost it against the russian´s who where ready to die for their country no matter how much blood it cost.

and last not least he lost it against his own ignorance, arrogance, amateur policy and his criminal racism.

This is just a front to test and sell new weapons. Civilians are the usual casualty.

Here in the United States we are taught that "We won World War II". You can argue and debate this all you want, but there a number of things you need to take into consideration. The most important thing is that there was really two major wars going on - One against Germany, another against Japan.

You can argue defeating Germany, while no small feat, was easier. It was primarily a land based war, the numbers were surely not on Japan's side once Russia got involved, and the war in Europe was basically Germany against the US, Russia, France, UK, and every one else.

The war in the Pacific was a completely different beast and was fought mostly at sea and on islands. The war in Europe was a logistical nightmare, but the war in the Pacific was a logistical nightmare times infinity. Also, the United States received very little help in fighting Japan.

But it is very true that here in the United States we are taught that "we won the war". A lot is taught about the British, but a lot less about Russia. This was mostly because of the cold war; The US government wanted to downplay everything the Russians did.

Sure you won... that's because you are idiots. Just a few facts for you:

Battle of Moscow:

400,000 German troops killed and 1,000 tanks destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Stalingrad:

734,000 German troops killed, 108,000 captured, 900 aircrafts, 1,500 tanks and 6,000 artillery pieces destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Kursk:

1,721,800 German troops killed, 6,181 tanks and 3,549 aircrafts destroyed by Russian Army.

Battle of Berlin:

81,116 dead or missing, 280,251 sick or wounded, 1,997 tanks and SPGs destroyed, 2,108 artillery pieces, 917 aircrafts.

And those are just a few battles of many between Nazi Germans and Soviet Russian Army. Even when the war was "ended" for the Soviet Union, Russians were helping you to defeat Japs.

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Now tell me how many Nazi German soldiers were killed by Americans, how many Nazi tanks and aircrafts were destroyed by your brave army for all the times? :winkwink:

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pussy ass USA lost the same number of soldiers as piss ant yugoslavia did in ww2

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but sure...they "won" WW2 :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Most of your soldiers died of a heart attack and self-vomiting with in first 3 hours of war. It lasted whole 8 days :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Pussy ass French fought Germans for 45 days :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

perhaps it was the memory of losing war to Bulgarians that killed some too :1orglaugh

back to the topic

it looks that china had cut the gasoline and oil delivery to NK.

is as i said: china will take care that issue.

Here is the (translated for you) news from a German news channel:

This is fucked up. Once a war starts, where will I get my Samsung replacement parts?

Boohoo, what about my Samsung phone, my LG TV and my Hyundai car ? :helpme

I disagree.

We napalmed North Korea in the 1950's killing 20% of their population, we've been nothing but diplomatic since, that's almost 70 years of peace now.

there are no winners in war.....except the survivors.

Because the US thought it could change the way Muslims in those countries think. Which reveals a high level of stupidity.

The US will not use Nuclear weapons first, they have enough firepower to level all the Nuclear capabilities NK has before they can push the button.

Patience has allowed NK to build its nuclear capability and they're continually testing rockets to perfect their ability to deliver them. With no sign from NK that they will slow down. When does patience run out?

20 years in which they were allowed to develop the technology to deliver the bombs.

Dope, guns, humans and oil.

Yes think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis. when Kruschev was convinced that if he didn't pull the missiles out, Kenedy would go to war. The Kims were convinced the US will do nothing. Now he's forced to change his mind.

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That fool cost millions of lives in Europe. sending a strong Armed Force into France and Belgium would have made Hitler think twice. Same with the First World War when Britain was weak about its response should Germany go to war. Appeasing bullies never works.

What has doing nothing achieved?

China and NK have grown in military strength to the point that they're now a real problem.

Positioning a large force on NK's border will make them think twice.

They're sitting targets in modern warfare. Even the Nazis weren't that stupid to line up tanks on the beaches of France.

What most Americans don't get is leaders like Saddam, Assad, etc. Have the support of a large part of their countries people. without that support, they couldn't rule. Hitler had the full support of most Germans.

Coups are not just a few people. They need the support and force of a large army and police force. North Vietnamese were willing to die for a leader who hated the US more than he loved his own people, who wanted to die to achieve the leader's dream. Same with the Germans, N. Koreans, Japanese, Russians, Chinese and nearly every other war that rewards the rich and kills the poor in huge numbers.

After 1,000s to millions of soldiers die, they go back to the same factory or shop to work for the same wages. Or in these days they start buying goods in the country that was once killing them. While the rich share the profits from the war.



What makes that speech any different from the one that someone should have made 4,000 years ago? Except in those days, the Kings were in the front line. With the handpicked best troops surrounding them.

Wars very rarely reward the men fighting them.

Barry has been brought up on decades of American movies where they only have Americans fighting the battles.

You were tourists in ww2...you can try and dance around it all you want...you lost the same amount of men as tiny tiny Yugoslavia...it will never cease to amuse me when Americans claim they "won" ww2...