The baby boom happend after WW2 when people where free and making a lot of babies to build the country and start new lives. Cause a lot of young man where murdered. And therefor we have the more elderly people that has to be supported by the younger ones.

And now we have the German Guilt that made merkel say "Wir Schaffen Das". For the third time some Germans want's a big empire.

Beer bar manor? That is how the European politicians talk; We want "60 billion" cheers ! after 3 beers; You know what, let's ask 100 Billion!!!! We will have good pensions, destroy England and scare other countries. Cheers!! And than we can use that to scare right wing people, yeahhh! Shouting Europe! Europe! Europe in the bar. That is how i imagine it went.

you clearly have been drinking too much...

if you want to blame something for the current situation of not enough young people to support the elderly, it is the invention of birth control and not enough (regulated) immigration to make up for it.

but that's probably too intellectual and scientific for all right wing idiots to understand

but if you really want to, you can read it up

thommy

The United States is a federal state (or unified government).
The EU is a confederation of sovereign nations.

Simple answer:
The EU Parliament issues directives to the sovereign nations-states of the EU and those nation-states enact legislation that will enforce that directive within each nations sovereign jurisdiction.

When the US Congress legislates a law and the President enacts it by signing -- all 50 states are bound by that law. In the USA the states are compelled to obey laws as written by the Federal government.

All US Americans carry US Passports not like in the EU -- there is no EU passport only rights guaranteed by national consent of confederation. You are a citizen of France, Germany, etc ... first

Sadly in practice it doesn't work like this: Whatever the EU says, countries must follow like an order. They leave the illusion that the people have a choice, but never, ever listen to them. For example the Dutch government is a lapdog of the EU. The people voted against EU constitution in 2005 and against the EU - Ukraine expansion disguised as a "trade deal" in 2016. Both completely ignored and rammed down our throats anyway.

Fuck the EU

Ohh, you found out there are more reasons... i have more and more.. It is not 1 issue, it is the combination. Now about the German Guilt, explain that. Merkels Guilt can be directly linked to the Brexit. Just like WW2 triggered the "never again" campaign and let's make a new empire and call it EU. Altough a lot of people don't want to be ruled from Berlin or Brussels. And that is also an inheritance of WW2, on both ways.

So you are right wing if you don't want an overall globalism. Not many years ago people would see you as left wing when you where against total globalism.

correct that have been all the states in US too before 1788 - they just made a joint venture what started 1776 and this joint venture is still NOT ONE COUNTRY til today.

in ONE country it would not be possible to have death penalty in one part and not in the other. if you look at the enourmous list of laws in US what are only existing in ONE state you can not tell me the america is ONE country yet.

up to a point. the individual countries in the EU have still MANY invidiual relulatories what are in some case senseful and in other cases not.
but there are many rules in the EU contract what EVERY country have to follow - no matter if that is in their souvereign jurisdication different. that was one of the main
reasons for the existance of the EU do act TOGETHER and not AGIANST eah other.

so that measn that the US gouverment have not done it´s job because after so many hundrests of years states have so many different laws that you can not call it country.

that not 100% true - the passport of EVERY single EU country says FIRST:

EUROPEAN UNION and THAN the country.

remember that the EU is in fact not even 20 years old and still have to find a way how everybody´s interests are fitting together. that is a hard and long way and not possible to change in one generation.
look in the south of united states - til TODAY they wish slavery back and respect their own flag over the US-flag.

living together or doing things together can NEVER work if all sites want to have it their way. it is a process of conclusions. some of them will hurt and some of them will help.

we all know that EU is not perfect and will never be - but it is the only chance to survive in a global world and give people the prosperity they hope for.
and NO it will not be prosperity for all of them unfortuantely - but the social net will take care the weak and unhealthy and they will spend back what we give to them and this is the circle of money and base of prosperity.

unfortuantely still many europeans live in the past. they beleive that "before was all better" even when it is not true.
especially the younger people who never have seen bad times don´t know the difference between than and now. they do not know that it was just a fraction of people who could afford to go on holidays every year - the majority could not.
they can not remember a time when someone was treaten like a king when he had a phone or a TV at home. and they can not imagine how long someone had to work for buying it.

and these are only examples what I can remember from my own life. if you go back further you will end up at a time when people were thrown out from the city when they were sick and they let them die there.

you come back to a time when someone who had just more power as another could easily kill someone and don´t get sued for it. you get back to a time were just the strongest and not the smartest one made the rules.

EU is nothing for egoists - it is an idea for teamplayers. and this is what we need to survive on this planet.

i give you just ONE littel example what i was reading just a few minutes ago:

the EU is thinking to sue poland because they are planning to destory the last natural parks there. poland have signed the contract for natural resorts in the EU and this place what they want to make industrial is one of them.

i think it is GREAT that we have this instrumenst to do something when a country is doing such a crime.

we can´t stop brazil from killing their forests (and taking the air to breathe from EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD) - only a strong union can stop that because this union is big and important enough.

the problems our world is facing today are VERY different and MUCH bigger as the problems we had in the past. not one country can resolve this problems alone. if that would be the right way for evolution we still would live alone with wife and kids in a cave. the success of human being is the way we learned to live together and accept compromises.

FUCK YOU - you do not have the smallest clue of the EU - so stop to promote your fake news.

what would be a union if there are no rules?

and ALL members of the EU have SIGNED to accept this rules - so also the netherland did it.
what shall they do? send every single dutch to brussel to make an own agreement you dumb ?

why do you not complain on your countries laws ?
you also did not make them OTHERS made them for you, you silly.

i tell you what is your problem - you are young but stupid and lazy - you are not able to change your mind so you want is the circumstances follow your intellect.

go back and live in a cave that´s where people like you should be.

Eu is falling apart anyway, just ignoring them would be the smartest move. They are incapable, impotent and stupid anyway.

Why hate America -- Europe it totally fucked up too :laughing-

We already had our Civil War -- good luck with yours.

I have never seen a passport issued by the EU -- there are none.

The EU is NOT one inadvisable nation. Stop fooling yourself. Every nations' populace in the EU has a Plan B exit strategy.

In fact if you study US history US states acted very similarly in the 20 years before the American Civil War. Roughly 2% of the population, an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the American Civil War -- over states rights and succession from the union.

Good fucking luck ... We have assholes wearing red hats still trying to fight the states-rights issue and against federalism 150 years later ...

Without the EU Europe is just a bunch of nations for the world to deal with and half of them amount to very little. Can you imagine the US state of Alabama negotiating a trade deal with Russia, China or India? Why bother?

When the U.K. leaves for good the EU still need them and vice versa. EU is a corrupt organization using bully mentality to set the rules. Congratulations to all liberals and left for believing everything that is said and done and lobbying for more power to the EU.

EU have moved too fast with leadership at the top promoting and focusing on the wrong things. As a first there's a handful of membership countries that shouldn't be allowed entry at all yet until they fixed their own standard. Organized crime have been spreading to richer countries and with no borders they can move around from country to country stealing and looting cause that's exactly what they do. The new modern viking running mayhem in Europe and no leader have to take any kind of responsibility.

Animals, machines, cars, boat engines are stolen and shipped back to the countries that should never have been allowed entrance into the EU.

FUCK EU...

I'm amazed by the people who still defend this shit organization.

first of all you fucking uneducated dumb - the EU is not an idea of the germans - it is an idea of france and from the moment on EEG was founded our life became better.

that germany a france have a eight in the EU is just because these are the biggest country - in every democracy it is the MAJORITY who decides.
do you really think that the EU need holland? or do you even a bit understand that holland would be a 3rd world country without EEG and EU.
tell me WHAT is it what the world need from holland and can´t get somewhere else?
without the EU your tradingpartners would not even find you on the map.
without the EU you could not even find a fish in the nothsea anymore because you dumbheads would take them out without thinking in tomorrow or somebody else with more and bigger ships would do it if there would not be rules to prevent it at least in parts.

god thanks that most of the citizens of the netherlands are not that supid as you are and know from what they can afford a suitable life.

the germans learned from their history - the ones who want to repeat it are dumbheads like you.
i think you should stop a bit to go to coffeeshops - it is not good fro your brain.

Clearly a HARDCORE EU supporter :thumbsup Brainwashed by the establishment :thumbsup

You sound very naive and put too much faith in the EU. The fact that the Netherlands would be a 3rd world country according to you without the EU is just laughable. You're the one sounding uneducated Mr "U.K. would not have any bananas without the EU" :1orglaugh

You would be a good right hand for Angela Merkel the supreme traitor :(

ok help me to get this job and i try to help you to get the job as a toilette cleaner (even when you are underqualified for it).

Strange that, you are the one on record saying that you condone violence against people voicing a criticism of your beloved fourth reich.

strange that you idots sound all the same.
are you sharing this one brain cell or what is your secret to be that far away from homo sapiens ?

Bla bla bla, Holland did fine with the EEG, without the Euro and the EU and influence of Brussel. No need to make a fourth reich like what is happening now in Brussels.

You have a mouth full of majority, till you lose the majority like in the UK, than you start crying that the world has come to an end and everybody is dumb.

What do we need from Germany that we can't get somewhere else?

Ps, now Europe is fishing in African waters, so the people doesn't have food there. Wow, what is the EU good for protecting their own fish (and stealing others). And that because it is going so well in Europe that now everyone can affort fish. Hey, you see. How better it goes in a country, the worse for the environement.

If a majority decides to fuck up Europe and Brittain, that doesn't mean i will listen to that and support it. just like when Europe decides to start a war with Russia, i won't go even if they sent me. The majority has spoken out many times in Holland, and the government didn't listen. That means people have to vote more extreme to get to their goals. And that is what is happening. And it takes only time before a majority of people will vote for politcians that want less influence from the EU.

Why did you get the name Thommy, had your mother special memories of the tommies?

Paul is elite...

Yeah, that the spirit. No sign of any facts of figures but abuse. you, bootboy are a real left-winger aren't you. Let me guess, the next step is to call everyone racist?
Have luck in your shrinking empire.

The voting share between poor and rich EU nations favours the poor. So as a democracy is run by the countries with the most votes, they outweigh France and Germany. When the UK leaves the balance will tip further towards the poor. As will the bills to run the EU will fall on the shoulders of Germany. Yes the EU needs Holland.

France is sinking further into debt. DebtClocks.eu - Debt clocks of the EU Member States - comparison

Look at the debt of the countries that have supplied the West with a low-skilled, low-paid workforce. Then compare that debt with the countries that took the low-skilled, low-paid workforce. Great for the capitalist and big business. Sucks for the people of the richer countries earning less than $60,000 per year.

The EU has allowed overfishing.

With the EU there is no Holland at the bargaining table. Along with every other country, the bargaining is for the EU and as I pointed out that's not run for the benefit of individual countries. How many times has the EU failed to get a trade deal and how long does it take to get one?

You bring up a good point about coffee shops. Go visit one in the UK and see who is behind the counter serving up the coffee and existing on minimum wage.

the guys with no facts are you.
you are the putin and trump brainwashed with no clue at all.
guys like you or the dutch kid slept on a historny book and read some fake news and you think you understand the world but in fact guys like you are the tools what are used by the ones what have good reasons to destroy a working EU or a working country.

see how successful they are ! they spiltted america already in 2 parts and now they want to split the EU in many small parts with the help of bonsaibrains like you and the 2 dutch microbrains.

you call me brainwashed and left but i am nothing of that - i do not even have a political direction. I just can count one and one together and I have konowledge of economies what you guys do not.

you are not even able to name the problems you see - all i hear are problems from other parts of the society what you obviously not belong to.
you are just full of hate because you do not see what you have you only see what you not have. you do NOT think for the society - not one of you brainwashed freaks.

so call it by name and say: i want all i do not care what happens to others - that would show your REAL face and would explain that you monkeys do not understand the basics of a democratic society.

If the EU is so great, why are EU countries sinking further into debt?

DebtClocks.eu - Debt clocks of the EU Member States - comparison

European debt crisis: It's not just Greece that's drowning in debt

With no sign of ever stopping the rise in debt.

You really have no clue about Holland, do you? :1orglaugh
It is and Always was one of the wealthiest European nations.
For example. Holland, that shitty tiny state, after the US, is the biggest food producer and exporter in the world. We basically feed the fucking world! What about you, you Swiss fucks? Some watches; couple of knives and some money laundering:1orglaugh

Working EU? LOL, That's rich!

world war one, world war two, 1966 and 2017. You Germans, eh?
Never mind, that will be the last time you Germans try to take over Europe, the Fifth Reich will be run under sharia rules.
Have fun with your coffee-coloured grandchildren meekly being rounded up to the mosques under posters of the Furher Merkel. :)

If the EU was a Private company it would have been closed down years ago. The financial crisis exposed its huge weaknesses.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...722_EUDEBT.jpg

https://www.economicvoice.com/wp-con...s-Oct-2013.jpg

Blaming it on the Crash in 2008 is ignoring the real issue. Apart from Banking where are the major industries that can sustain the high levels of Government Spending that people demand? They're no longer in Europe and are still leaving at an alarming rate.

The promise of new jobs replacing the old ones that went never materialised. The promise of new jobs replacing the old tech ones as automation and computerisation progresses is also proving to be a lie.

GDP can't keep pace with Government spending.

https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images...ernmen-010.jpg

Study what the UK Government spends money on to keep the increasing numbers of poor from literally starving or being homeless. There are far too many poor people relying on the rest for subsidies and the number of poor are growing by the day.

https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uplo...ax_credits.png

https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uplo...ax_credits.png

I highlighted the UK but they are just one country suffering from the disastrous laws the EU passes. I say disastrous but not if you're one of the rich. They are getting richer by the day.

The reasons are clear. Globalisation, Mass migration and automation. And what has the EU done to stem any of those? Look around you for items made in your country or in Europe. The number of times you see a low paid job done by a migrant or machine. By 2050 at the present rate, the EU will be bankrupt or hopefully gone, so individual countries can run themselves to solve individual problems.

god thanks that you guys will be killed before - you are just disgusting and far from a person with a mind - so fuck of - eat poison and don´t breathe the air from people who want to safe the world.

paul sorry - you post numbers what you do not undestand - you have proved with every post here that you are not familiar with economy - same as your dutch child.

post me the numbers where it is proven that you are right. show me ONE country in the world what was not effected by the last crisis - one country what could go out of it without a damage.

and yes holland is doing fine in that that´s why i do not understand why anybody have to complain it.

here look a bit on the numbers of NL and tell me what happend AFTER they joined the EU.

and please do NOT FORGET to read the articles under the stats because maybe you guys wake up and see HOW much we need to be united.

just take the chinese imports from holland and check out what will happen.
take the german imports from holland and check out what will happen.
is there still enough fish in the nothsea that they can survive ?

i hope that you will not die before you not see how much your homecountry will suffer from the brexit. the day will come when they beg to get back into a strong union and piss on the graves of them who brainwashed them.

here you clown - if you can read and understand it tell me where NL is without the EU

You really set the standard here Thommy boy, you express yourself like a fucking child...:1orglaugh

You're the definition of a full blown commie, have fun with that.

Your cretin based analysis and posts means squat to me.

That link doesn't work. And Thommyboy, life is not all about money. If we wanted that we could have stayed with the Third Reich. South Africa would financialy be better of with apartheid, do we want that? Do we want a EU and be controlled by Brussel. You must look in history how many times war where started cause people want to live in a souvereign country.

You act if people want to destroy the EU. That is not the case. Most people want some form of cooperation, but not how it is going now. And the only way to prevent that is to step out of the EU, cause there are no reasonable politcial party's that want to listen to both sites. The Dutch don't want the treaties with Ukrain, but after a referendum they didn't listen. Just like no one will listen cause we are such a small country that we have nothing to say. Well, than we must say goodbye on a certain point. How hard is that to understand?

That treaty that Turkey will join the EU, should have been put in the trash years ago. You know that Wilders was with the VVD, but stepped out cause the VVD wanted Turkey to join the EU and Wilders didn't want to support that.. And now we get the bla bla bla that they won't join cause there are not following the rules bla bla. If that is the case, just put that treaty in the trashcan and show it.

You where also so wrong a few weeks ago about the Turkish referendum. Thinking that educate them would mean they would stand against Erdogan and they would bring sense back to Turkey. In the end it showed that Erdogan has more back up from the Turkish in Germany and Holland than in his own country. That theory of you went up in smoke.

southafrica is a quite good example what shoudl show you that the "will" of uneducated people does not lead to success.

here i do agree completely - i did not say that the EU is a perfect solution yet but we have no other choice in glabl world with gloabl problems as to union.

so you tell me if you do not like the food you die from hunger ?
that is stupid !

what is wrong with this agreement?

it agreement contains political and socio - political objectives (democracy, the rule of law, human rights), measures to curb corruption, rules on cooperation in security policy, but above all rules on standardization and approximation in trade, customs duties, taxes and taxes Taxes, competition law, energy issues and environmental protection.

do you not want to sell goods to other countries or want another tschernobyl ?

the only ones who will suffer are the dutch. your economy will fall apart completely and germany will have the next enonomic refugees.

you do not have to be a right radicalist to think that - here i agree too and MANY politicians in germany and austria are fighting for the same.

don´t forget that turkey is an important parzner in the NATO and one of the last muslim countries what can help us to get rid of the troor problem. you want we let them alone and let them radicalize themselve?
wonderful strategy !!!!

you are wrong agian. have you seen the participation quotes? have you heard from the thousands of turkish people who scared to put just one foot in the turkish embasy to vote because they where afriad that they lose their passports?

do you know HOW MANY so called Gülem-sympatisliving in Germany and Holland ?
Do you really believethat these people will step through a door where they under 100% under turkish law?
do you know that an embassy in every country in the world is an untouchable ground of the country it is belonging to ?

i think you do not know many things and that makes you so blind and just see the small top of t the big iceberg.

don´t missunderstand me - i casee that you really worry and want to change things (what is good) but what i also can see is that you do not understand the complexity of things and the consequences of your "easy ideas".

look around you - look at all countries in the wolrd and ask people if they agree with their goverments - you will not find ONE SINGLE PERSON who doest complain.

do you really think that in history of humans there have NEVER been anyone who was not corrupt or incapable????

the truth is, that all this promises in elections are failing on the reality or on the promis of someone else a country needs.

politics is never perfect for everywone - it can NEVER make everybody 100% happy it is just the try to get as near as possible to that point.

btw. turkey is a great example for that. i am pretty sure that trump would like to do the same as erdogan but he is not that far yet to touch the little rest of democracy in US - but if he could he would do it.

if it does not work i will explain you some numbers:

NL imports in 2016

FROM the EU 204 482 459 000,--

NL EXPORTS TO the EU 311 289 763 000,--

TRADING BALANCE = PLUS 106 807 304 000,--


IMPORTS FROM NON EU = 176 086 160 000,--

EXPORTS TO NON EU = 121 052 399 000,--

TRADING BALANCE = MINUS 55 033 760 000,--

Not all about money?
from what do you buy your food? from the depts ????

You hear that people, we have no other choices....unbelievable how indoctrinated you are

Money is like water... it always choses the path of least resistance...

Don't worry... these are the numbers of the "Hallal" community

So now the fake news says that the Turkish people not dare to vote. Again trying to make people think most Turkish respect freedom of speech. I saw a tv report and people just went in a bus to vote, pro and anti Erdogan. Look at the polls, it showed long before that most Turkish support Erdogan. Also nice, living with people that show more interest in Gulem and Erdogan, PKK, grey Wolves, and other crazy shit. Never seen a group foreigners in other countries that have to spread their political ideoligy in other countries. I don't ride around with Dutch flags and set up organisations in Brazil to support Wilders or Rutte. Or even worse, start a religous organisation to accomplish that.

I said if politicians don't listen and only follow europhiles, there is no other option than leave. Just like we can't give up the treaty we have with Turkey now, or all 28 countries must agree. Or you must step out. Well, than just step out. And that will be only worse when corrupt countries join the EU. It will be harder and harder to change things people don't want if 1 country won't agree. On the other hand, now they want to change that so you need a majority, instead of all countries agreeing. That gives the problem that there will be less and less sovereignty.

The Ukrain treaty is a treaty with the most corrupt country in Europe. In the beginning the minister president of Holland called is just a normal trade deal. But when it looked people would vote against it, suddenly he said that that way people supported Putin, a world war could break out and he even said "do you know what a vucuum bomb in Syria does"???/ Suddenly a vote against Ukrain joining the eu would result in mass slaughters. And now you tell also itt is just a trade deal... who can you believe.,... In the end, the Dutch people don't wanted it.

You are so negative when a country leaves the EU. You sound like a politician, economies will be destroyed, WW3 will start, all to scare people. Why are you so afraid. I am sure there are enough smart people that find a solution and the economy will do just fine. we have heard the "end of the world" predictions too many times.

With europhiles like Verhofstadt, Juncker, Timmermans it will only get worse.

Ahh, here comes the truth. You Germans just cannot help yourselves can you. What are you suggesting? Concentration camps and gassings for all anti-EU dissenters?
Lets face it, you guys just do not change, you just march under a different flag.

Thommy is giving all Germans bad rep, I can assure you not everyone is talking like this caveman.

for you i would personally recommend cyankali - but you are free to do it the way you like.

says who ????

you guys are mentally far away from neanderthaler - you should relly seek professional help.

i do not even want to use your obvious nazi rethoric even when i can see that this is the only ways to speak with aliens like you and a few other empty heads here.

You should watch this video, you'll find it closer to the truth than you realise.

In other totally legit money news, steve hirsch offers a bazillion gajillion to the Queen for a sextape.

ps lol @ thommy. I have it on good authority you are a good guy, know your industry shit, and have done very well. Kudos for that, I admire anyone who makes it in any biz. Shame about the insane ranting with anyone who doesn't share your view(s) though... for an educated guy you sure seem to have missed the fact that not everyone thinks the same, has the same attitude to being controlled to whatever degrees, have their own feelings on various gov'ts' overreach, have different experiences both past and ongoing, and don't have the same luxuries as you maybe have?

I cringe when I see anyone dismiss the less fortunate, or less well off, or any large group of people eg voters who maybe didn't have the exact same upbringing, the exact same experiences, the exact same network of peers/family, the exact same thought processes, the exact same opportunites, and so on as themselves.. to lump in blithely tar ALL those people as being dumb or bad or 'hitler-esque' (lol wtf) because they don't share YOUR specific thoughts is arrogance and pompousness in possibly it's purest form. I mean seriously, can you check your fucking self for just a second? How is that any different from a racist who tars all with the same brush, or a sexist, or a homophobe, or any other bigot? I'm guilty as anyone at times but some of you guys take it to a whole new level.

Interfering while (genuinely) aiming to 'help', and inadvertently making things worse in the long run is nothing new. The govt's of the world are the top offenders by a fucking long way at such, so is it really any surprise that *gasp* SOME people see gov't overreach as a problem rather than the solution to everything? And for the icing on the cake, they get referred to as neanderthals, told to go kill themselves, are called fascists, and a ton of other retarded shit you and a few other extremists seem to spew out whenever you are presented with different views than you hold, with your entire rhetoric always propped up by your belief that your background in economics means you are unequivically correct and anyone coming from a different life experience is out and out wrong on just about everything they disagree with you on.

Of course economics is important, and I'm not trying to belittle the impact of that, but so does real life, and for millions of people, real life is dictated by well... their actual life. Why not take a moment to dismount that high horse, and at least attempt to see things from the point of view of someone else... you'll almost certainly be able to present your arguments in a way that those who disagree with you will actually absorb and process. Ranting like a spoiled 12 year old girl having a hissy fit will accomplish pretty much fuck all.