stop generalizing

Maybe try to understand a babyboom... It was the biggest in history. Birth control has influeced that there where less children the years after. But if there wasn't a babyboom (war), it wouldn't have been such a big issue. And than there wasn't need for so much immigration, causing the clashes we are facing now.

https://www.btsg.nl/infobulletin/vergrijzing1.gif

Blue line: 65+
Green Line: 80 +

But i see, WW2 has nothing to do with it... that is why all studies mention the babyboom as current problems with expensive Healthcare, pensions, immigration...

Here's a list of them. Which ones are doing it by the benefit of taking jobs away from Westerners? And be sure to take a look at Holland who only increased GDP per capita enough to reward the rich who send the jobs overseas.


The way the EU took control of trade has to be admired. What would happen if China was made to pay a 30% import tax on all its goods? The EU Steel industry might have more jobs, along with even more industries.

Take the German exports to Holland and the UK and millions of Germans lose their jobs. Take German jobs and give them to Third World companies and millions of Germans lost their jobs. Why do you have double standards when it comes to the Third World?

I have lived long enough to see the damage the EU has done to the UK. The evidence I posted of the numbers forced onto benefits and the need to borrow money because industries have gone remains unanswered.

If the EU was so good, why do so many countries need to go into deep debt to support themselves?

Another liberal who believes a country needs more people to survive.

It's not the number of people that determines an economy. It's the amount of money in their pockets. Today a growing population = more debt as most of those new people are unemployed or on low wages. GDP per capita, the average wage of the bottom 80%, the amount spent on benefits. Proves me right. As more jobs are taken away from a society the last thing it needs is more people to feed.

Compare the countries that supply the cheap jobs with the ones that lost them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._growth_ rate

It might show you why I'm right.

So you speculate that when Holland leaves the EU, we are not allowed to do any trading? That trading would disappear? Is the EU making plans than to bancrupt Holland? That would be a Nazi idea.

PS, if England has to pay to leave the EU, does Holland get the 100 billion back that we are in the plus?
Dutch politician demands ?100m from ECB boss if they leave eurozone | World | News | Express.co.uk


The statistics in Holland showed what Dutch found most important at the elections:

1) Immigration
2) Healthcare (remember, babyboom aftter WW2, we inherented from WW2)
3) Crime
4) Economy

And Sweden is doing well without Euro. Maybe it is time to get rid of the Euro and give countries the chance to play with the excahnge rate. Now we had in Holland a lot of extra taxes to pay the Bill of Europe, while Europe is printing billions for other countries. Could they not just print some money for Holland also, so we didn''t have to economize?

trading WHAT ?????
holland does not have big industry and not a lot of natural ressources.

the BIP in holland grow more than 100% since they joined the EU because of the advantage of international trading contracts.

do you think holland import power is the same as the one of the EU ?

that holland CAN be an exporter is not at least a result of chaeper imports and open trading borders.

25% of the total exports from holland are going to germany.

and you REALLY think holland could stand that alone?

if I would be you I would better wait to see how well that goes in britain before you close a door what will not open again.

you should check your vitam D household. paranoia can come from a low vitami D level.


oh sure you will because if the idea of the EU will not stand because of right minded people like you you can get that because after the EU is done you can wipe your ass with it because the Euro is than a piece of paper.

[QUOTE]
The statistics in Holland showed what Dutch found most important at the elections:

1) Immigration

that mess you had already BEFORE the EU or don´t you know that holland was once a imperialistic country (same britain) and now have to pay the bill?

2) Healthcare (remember, babyboom aftter WW2, we inherented from WW2)
BULLSHIT !!!!

3) Crime

oh yes that is a problem because your crime rate DROPPED 8.8%
but i think the radical right wing in holland will change that soon.


4) Economy

as I said the BIP of Holland went up more than 100% since the EU and the Euro.
and for this you pay fucking 0,54% of the BIP.

and do you knw WHY you pay that? because they agreed to to make rotterdam the number one harbour for sea transportations to the EU. ALL european countries north from italy are using it.

do you think hamburg can´t replace rotterdam?

mabye this over 100% growth are too much for you and you want to suffer. If so - DO IT but why do you want that the majority of the citizens does that too just becaue you are not smart enough to undertand the complexity ot the world?

don´t comapre sweden with holland. sweden is a country of enourmous technology exports (mostly to china btw) and natural ressources.

and sweden´s economy went down because of the problem with the crown. actually sweden is printing money to keep the exchange rate comparable to the Euro.

for WHAT OTHER COUNTRY is the EU printing money?
why are you talking like a child ? why do you see what you pay in the EU and not what you receive from the EU? that was the same fake information what caused the brexit because they were talking only from the spendings but not from the benefits. and this mistake the brits will pay VERY EXPENSIVE.

companies already run away in flocks. london stock exchange will be loosing importance and all waht britain can do in the future is to become a second panama and survive as a money laundry country.
the sissors between rich and poor will open MUCH more.

i mean - i do not really care if there are more countries going out of the EU because the strongest one will survive - and then all the others who went out will try to make a new EU and everything starts again. unity is not a choice it is an obligation to survive.

just a question on that:

did you read WHY i get angry also?

check this threat and tell me WHERE there was ONLY ONE SINGLE FACT written by roquteens or drax. all you can see her is quoting and comments what are just insulting, racist and radical.

even if i do not share the thoughts of the 2 dutch guys here i can discuss with them and they have at least arguments what one can answer.

what kind of discussion you can have with such statements?

Originally Posted by rogueteens View Post
Working EU? LOL, That's rich!

how would YOU answer on such bullshit with not even a drop of essence?

number 4 Unilever (124,6 Mrd. ?) - the netherlands

number ONE - 1. Nestlé (219,2 Mrd. ?) - switzerland

BIP per citizen holland: 44.433,41 USD
BIP per citizen switzerland 80.214,73 USD

so far the facts to your knowledge.

What comes across from Thommy is his dream of an EU that rules Europe and crushes any nation that tries to break away.

His approach is always how much countries that leave will lose and never how much the remaining EU countries will lose. The Netherlands does a lot of trade with the EU and has a surplus, the UK has a deficit.

The people who ran the Common Market were very clever. They took control of the trade member states did, then signed up to deals that could take complete control of Europe. Without consulting the people of Europe or ignoring the results of any referendum that voted not to join the EU.

Thommy is now in favour of punishing any country that dares to vote to leave the EU. No matter how much damage that causes to the people remaining in the EU.

Read up on what the EU attempts to do when it sets up major trade dealswith non-EU nations.

TTIP illustrates the terrible mess the EU trade negotiators made.

Trade deals are done behind closed doors with no information leaking out. Then a vote rubber stamps the agreement. No one has any intention of asking the 500 million Europeans what they want.

The problem when setting trade deals is the cost of labour in Third World Countries. What EU trade deal forces countries with a low-paid workforce, like China, to buy as much as it sells?

EU trade deals are constructed to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. And put the middle class into the poor bracket. That's what Thommy wants a Europe rules by Germany with everyone else punished should they decide to leave.

the "hypocrite trade deal of 2017" forces them :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

"dear china, we the europeans, buy too much of your goods...YOU are obviously to blame :1orglaugh ...so please pass a law that makes your own citizens buy goods we do not want to buy ourselves :thumbsup "

it is being drafted as we speak...:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what a nonsense - nobody has forced anybody in the EU.
the EU should be a unit - what you say is the same as "a country that rules a country"

sure will the remaining countries lose - there is no doubt about that. but they will loose LESS then the rest. what will THEY DO ? founding a new EU ???

and WHY britain have a deficit I explained you already. it is a pure result of the british pound. no one has forbidden you to keep the pound, but you should not blame the others for your own wrong decisions

what a nonsense - what kind of anarchist are you that you do not understand that every kind of unity needs rules.
is this just pure egoizm or just rest alcohol what speaks out of you ?

paul did you not realize that non of the realistic politicians and not one bigger company wants that? WHO will give the work you want to the people when all this companies are going ? and they go with a reason and not because of missunderstanding the enonomy.

first you have to show them on the map where those countries are.

the biggest trades happening are INSIDE the EU. and they happens BECAUSE of the euro
and opening trade borders.

if the 500 million europeans have that much clue of eceonomy as you have it would be better to keep them out because if the world runs by the ideas of hobby enonomists it would not work at all.

i case of CETA you have posted also an old information because everybody (including the most politicians and the big companies was protesting against it (me too) but in a democracy things will find an open ear and that is why what you have postet is not fact.


THIS:
is not part of CETA and it was the major reason why TTIP was never signed.

so what are you complaining? do you complain that US and Canada WANTED that part or that the EU did NOT sign it ?????

paul i am sorry you really do not have the SMALLEST clue of what you are taking about.

i will give you an example:

if you work 1 hour and make 50 dollars and someone else works for you 10 hours but make only 2 dollars per hour WHAT IS YOUR EXCHANGE RATE ????

forget about money - money does not mean anything. it is just a help to exchange performance.

not one nation in the world can survive without buying cheap labour from outside.

where do you think would a company like apple and microfoft be when the parts of the computers would be produces on european wages?
do you think you would be able to buy a computer? i doubt it !!!

the whole world is consrtucted like that and the boss of people who want that is mr. trump. if you do not want that and want equality in the world - we all would live like chinese. so yes - they give us PROSPERITY !!!!

in 100 thousand years of mankinds history PROSPERITY was growing by enlarging markets and with finding the CHEAPEST way to produce things.

just answer me the following question:

WHY should people who are not able to produce things on an affordable price do that ?
WHO WOULD BENEFIT ????? fucking NOBODY WOULD !

exactly !!!

paul thinks he speaks for the poor but he don´t understands that he does THE OPPOSITE of that.

in his world EVERYBODY would have a job but would work 5 years without holidays and saving money from his mouth to buy a new TV.

hahahah so apparently I grew up in a 3rd world country until about "93?

Well thank you EU, thank you EEG for the prosperous life we get to live here.. And thank you Thommy for a laugh

you forget that we are not in 93 anymore

here is something for you in REAL numbers

don´t forget to look what happen after 2000 ;-)

Evbery Common Narket country thatwas taken into the EU without a referendum was forced. France, holland and Eire voted OUT. Two were ignored the other told to go and have another vote and get it right the second time. Since then the EU has tightened its grip on Europe without referendums.

Yes they will form their own trade agreements now free to do so. They will be free to strike trade deals outside the EU.

Because the pound was too strong or too weak?

You ignored my statement.


Democracy is about what the people want. So far the EU has made it plain it's not asking the people what they want. Revealing to see you think it's about politicians and big business. Now you have to consider, will the big EU businesses allow the EU politicians to make them poorer?

You ignored my statement. There is a larger market outside the EU.


The 500 million have a very good idea about how their own economies work. Most are poorer. Look at GDP per capita. Organise it by 2006-2010 then biggest to smallest.

You will see Poland has grown by 4.71%. to be followed by other nations that have weak economies and a low wage work force. The highest growth in an economic powerhouse Western economy is Germany at 1.37%. The rest are around or under 1% growth. Deduct inflation, borrowing growth, the richest share of wealth and tell us where the personal economy of Europeans has grown.

While countries economies have grown slightly, people's incomes have mostly fallen.


So why did the politicians spend so long and so much money trying to get CETA and TTIP through? You missed my point, that was the deal the bureaucrats were trying to sign.

And here you display how little you grasp the real economics.

If a person in the West makes something for $20 that a person in the Third World makes for $1. It's great to buy it from the Third World. Unless the person in the West who is now out of a job needs the State to give him $19. Your entire economic approach relies on the person in the West to disappear. How many more jobs will go to the Third World before companies like Apple and Microsoft don't have enough customers in the West to buy their products? Again look at GDP to see how well your theory is shown to be stupid.

The whole world was constructed on the basis that the need for manual labour was the driving force of an economy. Today we have a new set of rules where manual labour is disappearing.

Also, the West grew strong by adopting the Industrial Revolution and selling good to the Third World or rulling it.

Because the way we are heading the majority of people in the West are getting poorer.

The stats I show prove it.

I don't see it being drafted soon. So long as big business owns politicians they won't allow it.

When discussing topics like the costs of manufacturing goods in the West Virginia China. Is people like Thommy think it's only about the wages of the workers. He ignores the entire costs of running a company. Taxes, wages, rents profits and all the other costs. Everything leaves the West and go to China. Also go are the jobs that supported the company and fed off the wages of the workers.

well than this is the best solution for your problem because if all jobs go to china the west does not have money to import and they can not buy from there anymore.

sounds like YOUR logic, right ?

paul did you know that in the middle age people used herbs instead of salt because salt was so expensive that they can´t afford to buy it.

do you know WHY that have changed ?

i mean let´s take you as an example: you live in CZ but getting money from UK.

why do you not live in UK? is it because you can´t have a dinner for 7 euros in london ?

so you do it because of prosperity. you can buy more there with your money as you can in britain. why should british people do not have the same right ?
IF they buy goods from outside in britain at least a british salesman makes money with it and some transportation company and the british goverment too because of the import tax.
WHAT DO THEY MAKE ON YOU ?

Switzerland is not part of the EU. Well, doesn't that say enough...

They have treaties with the EU without losing their sovereignty.
In 2002 they rejected joining the EU in a referendum.
A referendum politicians in Holland ignore, and rejects..

What you say that if Holland leaves the EU that there wouldn't be any trade with the EU?
That is just a nazi 4th reich idea. The trade will just go on, but Holland doesn't have to be in the euro or in the EU.

Now you are starting to get it.

Not all the jobs, just enough to ensure the rich keep getting richer. Of course, you have ignored the Third World trading amongst itself. Look at the chart I gave you of nations growing their GDP, these are the new markets. Where do you see Western Economies?

Wealth is measured in currencies, not items sold. Which is why previous times had very wealthy people and very poor people who couldn't afford to buy anything.

Look back to the wealth difference in pre 20th century times. The concept of a large rich middle class is a very new phenomenon.

Yes, I moved from the UK to Czech, so can see it was more than the hourly rate of workers that left the UK. My entire turnover including jobs, taxes and all the services and goods I paid for left the UK. This is why India has a GDP growth rate of 6.80 and China 6.70. While Germany, the UK, US, lags behind at 1.8 or less. Which isn't enough to cope with the cost of living or the extra spending that results in companies moving production. GDP is based on the Gross Domestic Product, not just workers wages.

You still haven't answered my point about the worker in the West that was on Western wages and contributing taxes, is now unemployed living on benefits and not contributing.

Are you relying on the morals of businessmen to keep jobs in the West for the majority of people? If so when do you think they will stop moving businesses to the Third World?

[QUOTE=thommy;21760624]trading WHAT ?????
holland does not have big industry and not a lot of natural ressources.

the BIP in holland grow more than 100% since they joined the EU because of the advantage of international trading contracts.

do you think holland import power is the same as the one of the EU ?

that holland CAN be an exporter is not at least a result of chaeper imports and open trading borders.

25% of the total exports from holland are going to germany.

and you REALLY think holland could stand that alone?

if I would be you I would better wait to see how well that goes in britain before you close a door what will not open again.



you should check your vitam D household. paranoia can come from a low vitami D level.




oh sure you will because if the idea of the EU will not stand because of right minded people like you you can get that because after the EU is done you can wipe your ass with it because the Euro is than a piece of paper.

Again, your 4th reich idea, when you don't want to assimilate, the EU will destroy that country? Why doesn't the EU destory Switzerland what is not part of the EU, or Sweden that doesn't have the euro cause the people didn't want it. It is cause there are some euronazis in charge.

Look at other sources, Holland pays more to the EU than it gets. Holland is 1 of the 4 countries that pays more to the EU than it receives. Maybe we loose a little, but wars have been fought to be independent, you can not put that in financial figures. Come on, start a 4th world war if Holland leaves the eu. That is exactly what i and many others are warning about. If Germany uses its power and have a population with all 'Thommies'", there will be a war. Hope the politicians in Germany are a bit smarter. And than the bla bla about helping poor countries by immigration so when they go back they can built up their own vountry. But in the meantime you are thinking about bancrupting Holland when they don't want to say Sieg EU? You are Crazy.

1) Immigration, look at the refugees, that is also part of immigration. The first months Holland was like, come all here, wir schaffen das. But that was soon over. In Holland there is not much problems with immigration, only from some Islam countries. And we can not stop that easily cause than they come from another EU country... And we can not stop deals with for instance Turkey cause than all 28 members must agree (or you must leave the EU). And 90% of the immigration problems in Holland have nothing to do with the Colonisation but mostly with immigrants that where needed to fix the babyboom and rebuild the country... (sorry, i mentioned the war)

2) Look at the studies about the babyboom after WW2. First killing and murdering a big part of the people that where able to work, than the babyboom after the war, than the need of immigration to pay for the elderly, but you say it has nothing to do with WW2. You must be brainwashed. And it is THAT immigration period that causes the problems now, nothing to do with colonialism.

3) Crime isn't that much less. It didn't go up either that much. Look at this respactable newspaper and use Google translate:
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and
Cijferanalyse: misdaad daalt waarschijnlijk helemaal niet, u doet gewoon geen aangifte meer (1) | 925.nl

4) Economy
Rotterdam harbor was the biggest harbor in the world far before the EU (some years ago China took over the lead). It is growing faster than Hamburg. Europe must thankfull for that, without Holland the EU wouldn't been able to grow. Europe can still use the harbour after Holland leaves the Euro or EU. I don't see problems with that.


"According to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, the Netherlands was the 18th largest economy of the world in 2012, while the country has only about 17 million inhabitants. (see: List of countries by GDP (nominal)). GDP per capita is roughly $48,860 which makes it one of richest nations in the world (see: List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita). Between 1996 and 2000 annual economic growth (GDP) averaged over 4%, well above the European average. "

You see, well ABOVE the European average, that was before the Euro..

The economy is noted for stable industrial relations, fairly low unemployment and inflation, a very big sizable current account surplus (compared to the size of the country even more than Germany)

The Netherlands is a founding member of the European Union, the OECD and the World Trade Organization.

Holland exports a lot of knowledge, agribusiness, machines, flowers. Espacially export of machines is rising very fast. I know a technician who travels to all Europe, Russia and South America and even China to install Dutch machines.
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Well if Germany fucks Holland, we can Always start making more synthetic drugs and export that, we are number 1 in that also.

So you are more a negative personality, i look at the bright side and see that people will adapt to new situations and will be able to survive. Just like the UK will. There will Always be solutions, and if it goes wrong with the Uk, we should help them. Why do we take the most corrupt countries in the EU, and than turn the back to friendly nations who helped us with wars? That wouldn't happen, the UK could get back in the EU than. But i don't believe they need it.

Thommy is ignoring the WTO trade deal. Holland pays 10% on Exports to the EU and charges 10% on EU imports. Holland loses under that deal, the UK wins.

Can you see people like the bosses of Volkswagen and these allowing that? Even if the bureaucrats are determined to make the EU poorer to keep their dream alive.

oh i did not know that :-)

if you would read i wrote that to mister "i am so smart" just to correct his bullshit:

btw it is senseless to discuss that with you guys - you will learn step by step all by teacher "life".

maybe one day you will have enough brainwashed to push europe back into the middle age - it will not effect me - it will effect people who either forgot that the good old times wasn´t that good or who are not able to make something out of their life.

so do you anarchy thing while i make party.

Yes, that is what i advised :) Grab a beer and go to a Dutch coffeeshop and don't worry, everything will be fine in the end. Just adjust to new situations. I for sure don't worry too much, i am enjoying quiet islands with beautiful beaches where nobody cares too much about politics but are more interested in soccer, UFC, partying on the beach and making love.

I was watching politicians debate the issue of Brexit. Some, who are determined to not leave, want a guaranty that the UK will have access to the single market when the UK leaves.

Why should the EU give them that when the alternative is the UK won't leave?

All the EU needs to do is say no and then the UK has nowhere to go.

I don´t know if you already made the money for the island life but if not you should hurry up.
you will not be able to make it with your concept - except you are one of the iluminati what brainwashed all the rest.

As i said - not my problem - i am fine already with a sufficient numbers of islands :-)

there is no way back for britain.
and WHY should the EU not deal with the brits after the brexit.

they will deal with them as a union. for sure britain will not have the same importance as china and russia (if there will be a normal trade one day) but nobody is interessted to let them go into bancrupcy - no smart businessman would do that and let his customer die.
and that will be the main difference between the EU and britain. britain is not owner of the company any more but welcome as a customer.

So you are saying that you are an economic migrant Paul ?

You moved to a different country because of it would improve your economic outlook.

:thumbsup

I am travelling around since 6 years, mostly staying on nice islands. You need less money for an Island life than for living in Amsterdam :) But sure, with the race to the bottom you must be sure you can live from investments.

I was in your house in Mallorca, great place and great catamaran! I was looking if i should buy a boat and sail around the world, a dream of mine. But internet is not that good on most places. Or i must stay in Europe and than sail from Island to Island in Croatia and Greece for some time.

whatever migrant he is - it is ok for me - and it should be ok EVERYWHERE in the world.

but it stands in opposite to his arguments.

Yes of course... like I said... The Swiss wealth is not coming from Swiss cheese; watches or knives... It comes from all the banks there that have a little free haven to continue their enourmous money laundering business for all major criminals in the world...:1orglaugh

Take the banks away from Swiss and listen closely... the only thing you'll hear are cowbells ringing lol

Of course, I'm an economic migrant. Who migrates to be poorer?

My point is I was allowed to move from the UK to Czech because I brought a business that produces wealth and jobs. The girl who serves you coffee at Starbucks in your local town was allowed to move and take a job and wealth from the UK.

The UK needs to controlled migration like the Australians or the US have.

Exactly. Why should the EU not trade with the UK? Cutting off access or sticking tariffs on EU goods makes no economic sense. The EU wants trade deals with other countries.

Currently, the EFTA States have 27 free trade agreements (covering 38 countries) with the following partners:

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Canada
Central American States (Costa Rica, Guatemala and Panama)
Chile
Colombia
Egypt
Georgia
Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC)
Hong Kong, China
Israel
Jordan
Korea, Republic of
Lebanon
Macedonia
Mexico
Montenegro
Morocco
Palestinian Authority
Peru
Philippines
Serbia
Singapore
Southern African Customs Union (SACU)
Tunisia
Turkey
Ukraine

Combined they don't make up what they are threatening to throw away by blocking the UK. So the UK gets the trade and loses the ever tightening stranglehold of the EU bureaucrats. Plus the costs of being in a money burning club.

My argument is simple.

Only people who can bring benefits to a country should be allowed to migrate. I'm very pro-controlled migration. The EU is anti-controlled migration because, in the case of the countries taking in the migrants, it drives down wages and taxes and drives up profits and government spending.

People, please read what I write. I have never been anti all migration. My parents and brother migrated to the US, my uncles and cousin to Canada, me to Czech. We are a family of people who move around the world. Taking enough money and skills to get past any migratory regulations. My second wife was an immigrant.

i gave up this dream meanwhile - i was trying to do it for the past 5 years because i spend most of my time in thailand and not in mallorca.

i always dreamed about bringing my boat to thailand but for the same reaons with internet (and my age) I finally gave it up. so my boat what was designed for sailing around the planet will never do it (at least not with me on board) and what hurts is that this is THE ONE AND ONLY dream in my life what i could not make come true. it is fucking hard for me to accept that :-)

Why won't it come trough? I met a girl of 24 who sailed solo to Curacao on a 8 meter boat... I want 11 - 12 meter and be able to sail solo with it. In the end staying in Europe could be better, with the mobile 4G network covering whole Europe it could be interesting. I expect in 5 years good voverige with more G's.

You could rent a captain to sail your boat to Thailand. Or put it on a big boat that is specialized in transporting small ships, a Dutch company does that. I stayed long time on Koh Chang, they made a new harbor 2 years ago, great to have it there near Bangkok. I will be in Thailand at the end of the year.

There is already an airbnb for boats, if you want to rent it out.

That cannot be possible... because the Dutch are not into businesses; they don't have an economy; they could never come up with an idea like that... and btw... If that big boat sails to thailand with the tiny ship on board it means it's exporting business to outside of the EU. That's simply not possible... they totally rely on EU economy... the dutch... hummm...

well if i would rent a captain what advanture would that be.
i am well know for my faible to do all what is not easy and do it without help.

bringing the boat to thailand on a boat transporter will cost me between 60 and 80 k
with european companies - and 10 K with a vietnamese company - but no matter how
I would have to do all the paper work there, change the flag and much more. i think it is smarter to buy a boat there.

who said that i rely on EU economy ?

when i talk about the EU i do not talk about my personal interests. i give a fuck on the EU i give a fuck on holland and i give a fuck on USA or britain and i even give a fuck on germany (even when it is the country where i was born). don´t you understand that ?
if you want to do whatever with your countries - do it - i will come after and buy the rest of the silverware on a cheap price.

i am a citizen of planet earth and that´s why i think for my homeplanet and not for whatever piece of land what will be gone in 30or 40 years - not at least because a bunch of idiots do not believe in climate change and vote for a president what went into the same school with 52 weeks holidays per year. that is why i do not even understand why you talk about imigration in holland - these people can come only for vaccations and maybe in 30 or 40 years they will have a spot in their homeland for you when you can visit your holland only with a diving equipment.

i mean - if you would really think a bit further you would perfectly know what big problems your country will face in the future. did you ever ask who will pay that ? did you ever ask how you want to realize that without a strond union ? did you even calculate if it makes ECONOMICAL sense and what it means to be part of a lonesome society facing a fucking
giant problem?

as i said - it will FOR SURE not be MY problem.
it will not effect me at all. i just want to make you think a bit and show you another perspective. my skills are economical skills and you can turn the thing as much as you want you will ALWAYS end up at the economy when you want to resolve problems.

all this strange ideologies in the world broke at the end of the economy.
ideology will never make dreams working without knowing and accepting the basic market rules. you will not find one example were a dream was stronger as this (known and learnable) reality.