So you admit America has social problems and those people having guns isn't a problem. :upsidedow

I agree that the problems the West have with getting enough jobs for the poor and that violence and crime are the results. But allowing people with these problems access to guns isn't a good idea.

In the UK it's knife crime. They halted the Stop and Search initiative because it was claimed it targeted black people by the police and knife crime, stabbings, homicides soared. Thankfully those kids don't have guns.

I totally get what you are saying and it makes sense on the surface, but the culture dynamics of the US in a broader sense do not allow for a widespread belief that guns should be banned just because criminals use them.

The US is a massive, socially diverse nation. So we see people who live near big cities take a look around them and determine that their corner of American society would be better without guns, while people who live outside of these areas do the same thing and determine that guns are of very little threat to them.

Here is the 2016 presidential voting map. It shows voting concentration and thus gun control beliefs...

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The threat of crime, in a potential life altering sense, generally speaking, is limited to blue left wing parts of the nation. This is where the black socialist communities are at, where browns go to scam the generous welfare system (especially as it applies to illegal immigration) and where the whites are so afraid of speaking truths that they effectively brainwash one another into political correctness at all times. This is where the crime is at and very little meaningful action is taken to stop it due to law enforcement having their hands tied politically.

Then you look at the map outside of the blue areas and you see that US culture is overwhelmingly right wing in a geographical sense. And it is people in these areas who wonder why they should have to give up their guns essentially because blacks and browns -- whom they are almost entirely insulted from in red areas -- can't behave themselves. There is a lot of anger in these parts that whites in high population areas do not crack down on crime, often side with criminals, etc...

This is the actual source of gun control conflict in the US, but you won't see it framed out this way in the media.

So why make it so easy for people to get guns where there is a cultural problem?

Break away from colour and look at gun crime vs income statistics. It reveals the core of the problem.

He obviously has had more training and use of firearms than the average person. Are you advocating people with no training should have as many firearms as the desire?

Good luck going up against Sherman tanks and Apache helicopters.

The time for Americans to stand up and take back control is when it comes to elections. But most of them vote for the people in billionaires pockets and as corrupt as the politicians taking Al Capone's money.

It's not just about race, it's about poverty.

Anyway how many black/brown people have walked into a school and shot other pupils and teachers?

I believe he shouldn't be so anxious to take away a freedom he has had from others because he feels he possesses superior knowledge and insight. He was not born with firearms training, he learned it. That said, I am personally in favor of training and licensing firearms similar to the way we license cars and drivers.

Inform yourself - frontline: hot guns: "How Criminals Get Guns" | PBS

Or it could be the people who want to ban guns are the most effected by gun violence. Just a thought. Less dramatic then yours but also way more likely to be accurate.

That is exactly what I posted.

Who do you think would win?

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Or these guys

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With all the training and equipment they have at hand.

The US has already been taken over by the people who buy politicians. Or do you believe all those campaign contributions and the billions spent on lobbyists are to deliver what the people want?

No one is advocating taking away your guns. What most people want is a better control on who owns them and the power of some guns. Better background checks, banning people on no-fly lists and stopping sales to mostly anyone at gun shows.

A firearm is for the purpose of killing and the more powerful the more people they can kill, the more a person has the more he can kill. We know that from incidents like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Orlando, etc.

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See a link?

You are making the VERY incorrect assumption that the operators of those Sherman Tanks and Apache Helicopters will turn tem on thier fellow citizens...many wont...and now we have apache helicopters and sherman tanks.....you may be willing to simply surrender...I will not. Id rather die fighting for my freedom than live under a yoke of oppression.....This country was founded on that idea...thats why the constitution says that the government can not take away aour ability to defend ourselves from said government

Theres gonna ba a LOT of these guys who take the side of the revolution....we overcame great odds against us when we took on the most powerful nation on earth...never underestimate the will to be free....more often than not it wins

keep on dreaming - that´s one of this topics were i agree with paul 100%