No one is addressing the elephant in the room.

3d movies took off and are now normal. 3D porn died a death. Was putting on a pair of spectacles that much of a bother?

Until VR upsells from free tubes it's no more than a better hook to catch a fish that would have bitten anyway.

Well you seem to get offended quite easily to be honest Stefan. :) But no, YOU shouldn't be offended because YOU are not the one paying for VR, your clients are. I was just questioning the source and profit margins of said customer, not you.

Content producers can make very decent money shooting for niches (VR, 3D, milf, handjobs, etc). But again, this does not mean there is consumer demand for such content beyond the small niche market you are serving. From a content producer's perspective, so what? Shoots are money and if someone is going to pay you for one then great! Whether they make a profit off your scene isn't really your concern other than you want them to come back for more. But again, "profit" may not be the determining factor as to why more scenes are bought.

How to Connect Android to TV: View Wirelessly From Phone or Tablet - PC Advisor

^^here is a good rundown of the available options

Miracast is a common method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast

VR's big future is in mainstream as I outlined.

I am in the early stages of developing a website for builders, subcontractors and their customers this could be international. Having VR presentations of building plans and jobsites as well as inspections of work progress or completed work would be an excellent addition -- when this VR recording technology becomes cost effective and commonly accessible.

Everyone would like to own their own personal holodeck. But the world isn't StarTrek (<yet>).

Well, I was excited about Internet. But how come you stick VR to Internet? It's a separate shit. It's a VHS, a fax machine, a Google glass that is gonna die soon.. or gonna be CONVERTED into something else to really server people.

Currently, VR and VR porn in particular is far away of what it has to be to succeed.

You start reminding me rooski CyberSEO, Stefan. I never said I hated it, I'm sure it is NOT ready to serve me, not ready to be a product I choose to entertain myself. I never watched 3d Porn, I see no reason to watch a VR scene because it does NOT add any value IMO.

This is what I wanna know, post GFY the day it is that way.

Exactly.

This. Listen to this dude. He knows shit.

well, considering our involvement in the product we produce and the way we work with our client which is in this industry for almost a decade, it is very difficult not to be offended when you insinuate that we're somehow laundering money. :2 cents:

Also it would somehow insult my intelligence if you think that I could work for years closely with a client and not notice that they never intended to actually profit from the money they invest but also from the dedication of about 20 people that work daily on Reality Lovers.

So when you post things like this, don't be surprised when I get offended.


I'm totally fine with "I don't like it", I just don't understand "I see no reason to watch a VR scene because it does NOT add any value IMO." but then post that it is crap. How do you know when you refuse to watch it.

If it catches on then I'll invest in it but otherwise I don't care about it. Innovation is expensive whereas "Wait and See" is highly cost efficient.

money laundering... LOL

Apple and XBox have not even released their solution yet... wait till that happens

and wait until VR glasses are the size of a pair of shades.

Well my initial general comments were not directed at you Stefan but I can see why this is a sensitive topic. :) But I must say that there is no way, regardless of how closely you work with a client, to know if the scenes you produce for them are "profitable" or not. Unless they open their books for you and even then....

(And I do not think questioning the source of porn production money is a radical thing. LOL)

The only reason I even mention this aspect of the Adult Industry is because so many throw numbers around and try to judge a market based on this or that company's actions. In other words, we are discussing an un-regulated worldwide "industry" and there's plenty of room for both legitimate companies and shenanigans. :) So when a smaller company is trying to decide whether or not to go into VR (for example) they may actually be trying to compete in an over-inflated, make believe bubble of a market (just like 3D).

But hey, if companies are making money with VR than congrats! I'm just saying not every company will be shooting VR for many years, if ever.

VR is the " new" 3D .An excellent format if you have $ 100 mil to make a video, but a crap if you make it with $ 2,000... And the poor consumer, how do you fap to it with this on your head:

http://www.virtual-reality-shop.co.u...e-Helmet-1.jpg

Well, it is simple to me, I just can simply extend my other experience with other similar mediums in order to avoid buying something that is not ready to become something I really want. As you decided to point ( someone is too old ) earlier, I play the "old" card to tell whatever I want and call it CRAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax

A year or 2??? Guess you're from a very very remote 3rd country island Eh? :upsidedow

Dude. I don't know what are you implying. It's just a basic and very easy sample to understand how once fax machines were hot on sale ( i made decent money selling them ) and in a year they became ordinary where no significant margin were made, Con-ada, eh :)

Yet ;) soooooooon well maybe my kids kid

Never say never ...

"Make It So!!" Dammit! :)

So rather than jerk off while watching porn on a 7-inch mobile screen which is held in one one or on the coffee table. People can link it to their TVand watch it with one hand jerking off and the other with the tissues ready. :1orglaugh

I gave you the best opportunity to tell us what you do differently for your clients that make your product better than the normal HD content. You ignored it. Why was that?

How about revealing who you work for so we can see what you do? Because so far I've seen very little that is different between the HD jerk porn and the new VR jerk off porn.

Please enlighten everyone here and not hide behind the excuse that this is just you and me.

It also requires a film crew who understand how to get the best out of the equipment. Just because I drive an FI racing car it doesn't make me Lewis Hamilton.

Personally, I would rather fap with the brick on my head than one hand holding a mobile far enough away that I don't jizz all over it. :1orglaugh

But then I'm short sighted. :1orglaugh

thank you for giving me the "opportunity", oh grand old master...

how about you just look at my sig - not that i haven't been posting about Reality Lovers like 50 -100 times already over the last year

i have never been hiding it, we even put out a press announcement that we produce exclusively for them

you are just really bad at paying attention

actually this thread is still on page 1

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...y-trailer.html

I agree about the crew and do not forget LOCATIONS.. I have seen bent walls, cables, gawkers etc...
Now on the other hand you are NOT short sighted... They all think here you are so old no jizz comes out:1orglaugh:that is why you cannot see it :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Why do you keep assuming this is a private conversation?

I hope this isn't what you mean by doing something extra because of VR. https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h57e1176bf1876

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h589db56aac06c

Just your average 20-minute jerk off scene shot with a different camera. Why go to the bother of putting a brick on your head for these.

Or this.



As people are saying this isn't worth the extra hassle.

Locations as well need improving.

So far all I've seen is a version of POV shot with a VR camera. For decades porn has been a voyeur type experience with the user watching the scene. VR opens entirely new avenues that lend themselves to a more interactive one to one experience that will approach private chats in webcam without it having to be a live one to one.

As those scenes I showed illustrate, the imagination of the producers haven't been stretched. They just shot the same/similar scenes they would have shot in HD POV.

Will that be enough to tempt new customers away from free or just attracts those who would have bought to buy theirs, or attract only the curious to try out VR?

Ok so the biggest issue is I see here is that some people in this thread talk about VR as a replacement for normal porn. You need to see VR as a niche. Just like BDSM, POV, Asian, Big Tits, etc. It's something you either like or you don't.

If you look at VR as some new big thing that will revolutionize the way most people watch porn, then yes, in it's current from VR is a fad. But if you just see it for what it currently is, a great 'new' niche with plenty of people willing to pay for it, then VR is not crap. There is a market for it and a big part of that market is willing to pay for it.

VR in it's current form for porn is just too limited, if you are not into the pov style in which the majority of the scenes are shot then you will never like VR porn, no matter how good the quality is and how good the location and the girls are. It's might be fun to watch it sometimes, but it's not a replacement for regular porn.

I used to personally think VR would be the next big thing in porn (I even posted it here in GFY) but after trying it more and more I figured that it's not for everyone and is just a specific niche.

Then for a while I used to think VR would be the next big thing for cams, feeling more like you are in the room with the girl etc, but after attending some seminars a lot of obstacles came up (like for example how can you chat when you can't see your keyboard). All of the obstacles are being worked on (virtual keyboards, voice chat, etc.) but at the moment it's just not great yet and not something that will 'take over' anytime soon.

I do see a future in VR in porn, especially in terms of virtual worlds, and maybe multiple angle, VR mixed with AR, etc. But it's still a very long time from becoming the next big thing.

Paul you are absolutely wrong here, the majority of the people watch porn on their mobile. Even when a laptop or computer is available. You have to realize that the way people consume porn has fundamentally changed in the last 20 years. People want quick, fast access, in their own privacy wherever they are. Not on a (family) desktop computer, a heavy laptop or a TV .

Yes of course, many people have AirPlay (via apple TV), Chromecast or Mirracast (to stream to Smart TVs), but the amount of people that want to watch porn on their TV these days is very small.

No one needs a keyboard when they can talk to the girl.

So not likely to turn to VR.


So the privacy aspect disappears if it's someone wearing a VR mask. :upsidedow

I am old school and to me, it seems silly to pay for and watch porn on phone. Even for the reasons you offer. My thinking is that most people who pay for porn will have the chance to view it on a better device, except when being at work. But as I said I'm old school.

Now all the reasons you use to support mobile use for viewing porn are negatives for VR. If people are happy with a 7-9 inch screen, it has to be a compelling reason that makes them want to view the scene via VR.

We're still left with the quality of the experience and so far all the VR porn I've seen is no better than HD. Some even made worse by VR. A POV scene with a girl faking contact with the viewer is worse. On a mobile screen this is missed, in VR it's made even more obvious. This is from the scenes I've seen. In the end, it comes down to the content, not just the technology.

Question, how many did you see WITH a VR device?

I can almost 100% agree to this, I have always said that VR is an additional way to consume porn and if done right, it gives those who love it a great experience. And if you read the consumer feedback we receive on reddit or our member forum, we know that our members have a very specific idea what they want for their money.

I have written several magazine articles about VR, in them I compared the current status to Fred Flintstones car.

But I also attend mainstream VR conferences, just last week in Prague for example, with lots of innovative companies and I have a clear idea where technology in general can take us - and how porn can benefit from that.

And it would be laughable to sit back and let this opportunity pass because somebody on GFY doesn't like and/or doesn't understand it.


my money is on zero

And I am not sugarcoating things - use Google translate if you like

Virtual Reality Porn: Gegenwart und Zukunft - VR?Nerds

and from the biggest German computer magazine

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...t-3722698.html

Six, after that I was sure they were not worth the trouble. Looked at more that are just samples and can spot bad porn a mile away. so far I have yet to see anyone who is doing anything different enough to warrant the use of VR. Maybe someone can link us non-believers to scenes that will convert us to believers.

Play a game with VR and the effect is mindblowing, not just because you're closer to the action, you can also move around and take part. Where is that element in porn VR? If you argue it's not required, then why bother using a VR headset?

Are the extra benefits of VR applicable to porn? In gaming they most certainly are, I've yet to try them on a flying dogfight game but that would be truly awesome. Zomby VR was pretty awesome and scary.

Ok Good. For a minute you sounded like my 5 year old saying he doesn't like something without even tasting it.

You using a cardboard ?

Excellent attitude, I'd love to see you speaking this way to your clients. LOL.

What is the VR broadcast bandwidth requirement/use on the consumer end?
Is a live implementation even realistic in the short term? No, no one is producing VR webcameras at a marketable price.

1080p is limiting 720p is workable (<now>)
4K bandwidth is not realistic now for live broadcast to consumers.

Usability is a big factor -- getting past the *brick on the head* problem will determine if VR ever gets to the top of the adoption curve.:2 cents:

Every splash in the pan idea... people made millions-billions from.

Probably while you sat on the couch and went.. "It won't work, will never last".

Good friend of mines business used to do more than 20k a month just faxing. He used to charge $3 bucks to send an email as well heheh.

Wait till someone like Amazon makes an VR portal with scanned in 3d products, the ability to VR examine a product before purchase will be a revolution in online shopping.

The final thought was the best :)

Actually VR games are pretty cool. Yes, VR porn is... weird - to say the least - but I really loved playing Resident Evil and the recently released Farpoint with the new gun on PS VR.

So maybe it's not that great for porn or cinema at all, but it definitely has it's own future far beyond fax :)

The technology applied to large market segments, if it ever is, is were the money will be made -- but it will improve the service and not be the end-product.

Okay, I'm so surprised it has brought up so much real shit in the thread. Guilty, I was a bit drunk claiming it's shit. It's just an expensive waste of time at the moment, so, basically speaking a kinda crap :Oh crap

No a proper headset.

Look at this.


Skip forward to the good bits. :1orglaugh

Now compare it with this.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h58735a01061bc

Even this is better, but not as big an improvement as the game experience improvement.


What have they done differently that could not have been done in HD?

The porn industry has to rethink it's it's approach to VR and leave the clients who only want a 20-minute jerk off scene to get their kicks on Pornhub.

Sorry, you're wrong the improvement as I illustrated does not make HD like the Fred Flinstone car. That's the problem. Attending VR conferences on what other industries are doing would have shown you. So tell us where you think VR Porn should be headed to make the experience more compelling to buy into it.

I agree that people who love porn VR will switch, but that's not using the entire benefits of the medium. Here's the problem.

Jerking off can last around 15-20 minutes and then it's done, men go back to what they were doing. As people are saying the mobile is being used because of speed, convenience and accessibility. Porn tubes killed paid porn for the same reason, let's own up $1 a day for access to 1,000 porn scenes isn't a high price. Now VR porn is going the opposite way, for 15-20minutes is it worth it for enough customers to make it the awesome tool some propose. At best all it will do is convert a small percentage of people.

I just realised the way VR porn can bring some value . . . you wear that gear, ask a Natalie Portman character to enter and suck you off . . . But, the main thing is it has to be somehow synced with a real girl sucking you off... Guess she would be wearing a device on her head too to see what the model is doing to repeat it. Bingo?

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

And there you have it. Why go through all the business of VR for those 15-20 watching what the current porn scenes are dishing up? VR version of scenes of what was shot 20 years ago.

That was done decades ago with Betacam. Where's the improvement from the 10,000s of HD POV scenes?

Producers have to start thinking outside the box to get users involved for longer than 15-20 minutes.

It has to be easier to use the product -- the *brick on your head* is the stumbling block, IMO.

The concept is a good one but its execution needs refinement.