OK I'm game.

Where is the livecam/streaming industry and why aren't they rebuilding the Pro. cam studio complexes running in Europe and Mexico?

Good point though, because if it were far superior, Cams would be all over this and advertising it like crazy.

Where are all the ads on GFY promoting VR? I've only seen one so far.

like I said - you haven't even watched it - otherwise you would know how VR porn is done differently compared to normal porn. And what's the USP for the consumer.

why should I waste my time on trying to explain something to you that you condemn without even knowing anything about?

This was like the first FAX machine I saw in 1975
https://s1.postimg.org/syzs140tb/fax1-3.jpg :1orglaugh


Paul you are so out of touch; Guys take their own cell phones to the office and they are not connected to the company network -- BYOD. The guy could close the office door or take their phone to the men's room and watch a camgirl on 4G ... I hope to have an independent or studio camgirl api for 4G (or normal broadband) publishing (broadcast) use this year.

At home you have choices -- people have smartphones, PC desktops and tablets -- many people have all 3 available to them. Don't you have different hammers or different wrenches for different jobs?
Flash is dead.

This api will work on HTML pages

Currently this is not going to work with live VR but it may be available in the future -- who knows?

Monthly server-stats + processing data from the CC processor.

Because of the EU GDPR Changes, we need to log and track EVERYTHING for our customers. That means I know excatly what pattern a specific group of people follow.

- What device they use to find the content
- What device they use to sign up for the content
- What device they use to browser the content
- How long they last before they exit the session.. either bored or because they blew a load on a towel

.... Welcome to the brave new world of Elastic Stack(formerly ELK stack)

I have watched VR porn and do know what I saw. Maybe yours are different/superior and here's an excellent opportunity to tell people why they should buy from you.

This isn't a private conversation.

i enjoy a good crap...

Don't you have a stand for your spartphones and tablets? 'hand free' use is a reality.

I liked the Google Glass concept so if at some point you have HDMI out commonly available on hand-held devices (smartphones) then maybe you would not need that "brick on you head"

No offense to content producers but just because (some) companies are paying for VR scenes does NOT mean it's "popular". Money laundering is never mentioned in these threads but think about it: a porn Producer with oodles of drug money cash used to spend 5K on a scene. Times 200 and that's a great way to hide a million bucks. Now multiply that by the costs of VR....

VR is a fad, just like 3D. Whenever a human being has to wear adaptive equipment to experience something it will always be a niche. Do 3D movies in Imax make money? Sure - enough to keep filming in 3D BUT not enough to eliminate 'traditional' cinema. The same will be true with porn.

Let's face it: jerking off to the average person takes a few minutes and they are not that picky. If you are wearing a brick on your head chances are you're more of a porn addict than the average user.

At best VR is an additional revenue stream. It will never be THE revenue stream (for most companies).

and now you expect me to be not offended?

I have no doubt people watch porn on mobile when it's the best medium. I prefer to watch porn, movies, TV on as big a screen as possible and in the best versions. Sales figure on TV, cinema and 3D movies prove me right. So why watch a porn movie on a mobile when the TV or laptop are in the room?

Propping a phone upon the coffee table while jerking off seems silly. Can a phone be linked to a tv and used to view porn? Both have Bluetooth.

No one is addressing the elephant in the room.

3d movies took off and are now normal. 3D porn died a death. Was putting on a pair of spectacles that much of a bother?

Until VR upsells from free tubes it's no more than a better hook to catch a fish that would have bitten anyway.

Well you seem to get offended quite easily to be honest Stefan. :) But no, YOU shouldn't be offended because YOU are not the one paying for VR, your clients are. I was just questioning the source and profit margins of said customer, not you.

Content producers can make very decent money shooting for niches (VR, 3D, milf, handjobs, etc). But again, this does not mean there is consumer demand for such content beyond the small niche market you are serving. From a content producer's perspective, so what? Shoots are money and if someone is going to pay you for one then great! Whether they make a profit off your scene isn't really your concern other than you want them to come back for more. But again, "profit" may not be the determining factor as to why more scenes are bought.

How to Connect Android to TV: View Wirelessly From Phone or Tablet - PC Advisor

^^here is a good rundown of the available options

Miracast is a common method. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracast

VR's big future is in mainstream as I outlined.

I am in the early stages of developing a website for builders, subcontractors and their customers this could be international. Having VR presentations of building plans and jobsites as well as inspections of work progress or completed work would be an excellent addition -- when this VR recording technology becomes cost effective and commonly accessible.

Everyone would like to own their own personal holodeck. But the world isn't StarTrek (<yet>).

Well, I was excited about Internet. But how come you stick VR to Internet? It's a separate shit. It's a VHS, a fax machine, a Google glass that is gonna die soon.. or gonna be CONVERTED into something else to really server people.

Currently, VR and VR porn in particular is far away of what it has to be to succeed.

You start reminding me rooski CyberSEO, Stefan. I never said I hated it, I'm sure it is NOT ready to serve me, not ready to be a product I choose to entertain myself. I never watched 3d Porn, I see no reason to watch a VR scene because it does NOT add any value IMO.

This is what I wanna know, post GFY the day it is that way.

Exactly.

This. Listen to this dude. He knows shit.

well, considering our involvement in the product we produce and the way we work with our client which is in this industry for almost a decade, it is very difficult not to be offended when you insinuate that we're somehow laundering money. :2 cents:

Also it would somehow insult my intelligence if you think that I could work for years closely with a client and not notice that they never intended to actually profit from the money they invest but also from the dedication of about 20 people that work daily on Reality Lovers.

So when you post things like this, don't be surprised when I get offended.


I'm totally fine with "I don't like it", I just don't understand "I see no reason to watch a VR scene because it does NOT add any value IMO." but then post that it is crap. How do you know when you refuse to watch it.

If it catches on then I'll invest in it but otherwise I don't care about it. Innovation is expensive whereas "Wait and See" is highly cost efficient.

money laundering... LOL

Apple and XBox have not even released their solution yet... wait till that happens

and wait until VR glasses are the size of a pair of shades.

Well my initial general comments were not directed at you Stefan but I can see why this is a sensitive topic. :) But I must say that there is no way, regardless of how closely you work with a client, to know if the scenes you produce for them are "profitable" or not. Unless they open their books for you and even then....

(And I do not think questioning the source of porn production money is a radical thing. LOL)

The only reason I even mention this aspect of the Adult Industry is because so many throw numbers around and try to judge a market based on this or that company's actions. In other words, we are discussing an un-regulated worldwide "industry" and there's plenty of room for both legitimate companies and shenanigans. :) So when a smaller company is trying to decide whether or not to go into VR (for example) they may actually be trying to compete in an over-inflated, make believe bubble of a market (just like 3D).

But hey, if companies are making money with VR than congrats! I'm just saying not every company will be shooting VR for many years, if ever.

VR is the " new" 3D .An excellent format if you have $ 100 mil to make a video, but a crap if you make it with $ 2,000... And the poor consumer, how do you fap to it with this on your head:

http://www.virtual-reality-shop.co.u...e-Helmet-1.jpg

Well, it is simple to me, I just can simply extend my other experience with other similar mediums in order to avoid buying something that is not ready to become something I really want. As you decided to point ( someone is too old ) earlier, I play the "old" card to tell whatever I want and call it CRAP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax

A year or 2??? Guess you're from a very very remote 3rd country island Eh? :upsidedow

Dude. I don't know what are you implying. It's just a basic and very easy sample to understand how once fax machines were hot on sale ( i made decent money selling them ) and in a year they became ordinary where no significant margin were made, Con-ada, eh :)

Yet ;) soooooooon well maybe my kids kid

Never say never ...

"Make It So!!" Dammit! :)

So rather than jerk off while watching porn on a 7-inch mobile screen which is held in one one or on the coffee table. People can link it to their TVand watch it with one hand jerking off and the other with the tissues ready. :1orglaugh

I gave you the best opportunity to tell us what you do differently for your clients that make your product better than the normal HD content. You ignored it. Why was that?

How about revealing who you work for so we can see what you do? Because so far I've seen very little that is different between the HD jerk porn and the new VR jerk off porn.

Please enlighten everyone here and not hide behind the excuse that this is just you and me.

It also requires a film crew who understand how to get the best out of the equipment. Just because I drive an FI racing car it doesn't make me Lewis Hamilton.

Personally, I would rather fap with the brick on my head than one hand holding a mobile far enough away that I don't jizz all over it. :1orglaugh

But then I'm short sighted. :1orglaugh

thank you for giving me the "opportunity", oh grand old master...

how about you just look at my sig - not that i haven't been posting about Reality Lovers like 50 -100 times already over the last year

i have never been hiding it, we even put out a press announcement that we produce exclusively for them

you are just really bad at paying attention

actually this thread is still on page 1

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...y-trailer.html

I agree about the crew and do not forget LOCATIONS.. I have seen bent walls, cables, gawkers etc...
Now on the other hand you are NOT short sighted... They all think here you are so old no jizz comes out:1orglaugh:that is why you cannot see it :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Why do you keep assuming this is a private conversation?

I hope this isn't what you mean by doing something extra because of VR. https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h57e1176bf1876

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h589db56aac06c

Just your average 20-minute jerk off scene shot with a different camera. Why go to the bother of putting a brick on your head for these.

Or this.



As people are saying this isn't worth the extra hassle.

Locations as well need improving.

So far all I've seen is a version of POV shot with a VR camera. For decades porn has been a voyeur type experience with the user watching the scene. VR opens entirely new avenues that lend themselves to a more interactive one to one experience that will approach private chats in webcam without it having to be a live one to one.

As those scenes I showed illustrate, the imagination of the producers haven't been stretched. They just shot the same/similar scenes they would have shot in HD POV.

Will that be enough to tempt new customers away from free or just attracts those who would have bought to buy theirs, or attract only the curious to try out VR?

Ok so the biggest issue is I see here is that some people in this thread talk about VR as a replacement for normal porn. You need to see VR as a niche. Just like BDSM, POV, Asian, Big Tits, etc. It's something you either like or you don't.

If you look at VR as some new big thing that will revolutionize the way most people watch porn, then yes, in it's current from VR is a fad. But if you just see it for what it currently is, a great 'new' niche with plenty of people willing to pay for it, then VR is not crap. There is a market for it and a big part of that market is willing to pay for it.

VR in it's current form for porn is just too limited, if you are not into the pov style in which the majority of the scenes are shot then you will never like VR porn, no matter how good the quality is and how good the location and the girls are. It's might be fun to watch it sometimes, but it's not a replacement for regular porn.

I used to personally think VR would be the next big thing in porn (I even posted it here in GFY) but after trying it more and more I figured that it's not for everyone and is just a specific niche.

Then for a while I used to think VR would be the next big thing for cams, feeling more like you are in the room with the girl etc, but after attending some seminars a lot of obstacles came up (like for example how can you chat when you can't see your keyboard). All of the obstacles are being worked on (virtual keyboards, voice chat, etc.) but at the moment it's just not great yet and not something that will 'take over' anytime soon.

I do see a future in VR in porn, especially in terms of virtual worlds, and maybe multiple angle, VR mixed with AR, etc. But it's still a very long time from becoming the next big thing.