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Konda 05-28-2017 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21793783)
I have no doubt people watch porn on mobile when it's the best medium. I prefer to watch porn, movies, TV on as big a screen as possible and in the best versions. Sales figure on TV, cinema and 3D movies prove me right. So why watch a porn movie on a mobile when the TV or laptop are in the room?

Propping a phone upon the coffee table while jerking off seems silly.

Paul you are absolutely wrong here, the majority of the people watch porn on their mobile. Even when a laptop or computer is available. You have to realize that the way people consume porn has fundamentally changed in the last 20 years. People want quick, fast access, in their own privacy wherever they are. Not on a (family) desktop computer, a heavy laptop or a TV .

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21793783)
Can a phone be linked to a tv and used to view porn?

Yes of course, many people have AirPlay (via apple TV), Chromecast or Mirracast (to stream to Smart TVs), but the amount of people that want to watch porn on their TV these days is very small.

Paul Markham 05-28-2017 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21797188)
Then for a while I used to think VR would be the next big thing for cams, feeling more like you are in the room with the girl etc, but after attending some seminars a lot of obstacles came up (like for example how can you chat when you can't see your keyboard). All of the obstacles are being worked on (virtual keyboards, voice chat, etc.) but at the moment it's just not great yet and not something that will 'take over' anytime soon.

No one needs a keyboard when they can talk to the girl.

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21797194)
Paul you are absolutely wrong here, the majority of the people watch porn on their mobile. Even when a laptop or computer is available. You have to realize that the way people consume porn has fundamentally changed in the last 20 years. People want quick, fast access, in their own privacy wherever they are. Not on a (family) desktop computer, a heavy laptop or a TV .

So not likely to turn to VR.


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Yes of course, many people have AirPlay (via apple TV), Chromecast or Mirracast (to stream to Smart TVs), but the amount of people that want to watch porn on their TV these days is very small.
So the privacy aspect disappears if it's someone wearing a VR mask. :upsidedow

I am old school and to me, it seems silly to pay for and watch porn on phone. Even for the reasons you offer. My thinking is that most people who pay for porn will have the chance to view it on a better device, except when being at work. But as I said I'm old school.

Now all the reasons you use to support mobile use for viewing porn are negatives for VR. If people are happy with a 7-9 inch screen, it has to be a compelling reason that makes them want to view the scene via VR.

We're still left with the quality of the experience and so far all the VR porn I've seen is no better than HD. Some even made worse by VR. A POV scene with a girl faking contact with the viewer is worse. On a mobile screen this is missed, in VR it's made even more obvious. This is from the scenes I've seen. In the end, it comes down to the content, not just the technology.

Roald 05-29-2017 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21798490)
We're still left with the quality of the experience and so far all the VR porn I've seen is no better than HD. Some even made worse by VR. A POV scene with a girl faking contact with the viewer is worse. On a mobile screen this is missed, in VR it's made even more obvious. This is from the scenes I've seen. In the end, it comes down to the content, not just the technology.

Question, how many did you see WITH a VR device?

MaDalton 05-29-2017 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda (Post 21797188)
Ok so the biggest issue is I see here is that some people in this thread talk about VR as a replacement for normal porn. You need to see VR as a niche. Just like BDSM, POV, Asian, Big Tits, etc. It's something you either like or you don't.

If you look at VR as some new big thing that will revolutionize the way most people watch porn, then yes, in it's current from VR is a fad. But if you just see it for what it currently is, a great 'new' niche with plenty of people willing to pay for it, then VR is not crap. There is a market for it and a big part of that market is willing to pay for it.

VR in it's current form for porn is just too limited, if you are not into the pov style in which the majority of the scenes are shot then you will never like VR porn, no matter how good the quality is and how good the location and the girls are. It's might be fun to watch it sometimes, but it's not a replacement for regular porn.

I used to personally think VR would be the next big thing in porn (I even posted it here in GFY) but after trying it more and more I figured that it's not for everyone and is just a specific niche.

Then for a while I used to think VR would be the next big thing for cams, feeling more like you are in the room with the girl etc, but after attending some seminars a lot of obstacles came up (like for example how can you chat when you can't see your keyboard). All of the obstacles are being worked on (virtual keyboards, voice chat, etc.) but at the moment it's just not great yet and not something that will 'take over' anytime soon.

I do see a future in VR in porn, especially in terms of virtual worlds, and maybe multiple angle, VR mixed with AR, etc. But it's still a very long time from becoming the next big thing.

I can almost 100% agree to this, I have always said that VR is an additional way to consume porn and if done right, it gives those who love it a great experience. And if you read the consumer feedback we receive on reddit or our member forum, we know that our members have a very specific idea what they want for their money.

I have written several magazine articles about VR, in them I compared the current status to Fred Flintstones car.

But I also attend mainstream VR conferences, just last week in Prague for example, with lots of innovative companies and I have a clear idea where technology in general can take us - and how porn can benefit from that.

And it would be laughable to sit back and let this opportunity pass because somebody on GFY doesn't like and/or doesn't understand it.


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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21798538)
Question, how many did you see WITH a VR device?

my money is on zero

MaDalton 05-29-2017 02:51 AM

And I am not sugarcoating things - use Google translate if you like

Virtual Reality Porn: Gegenwart und Zukunft - VR?Nerds

and from the biggest German computer magazine

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...t-3722698.html

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21798538)
Question, how many did you see WITH a VR device?

Six, after that I was sure they were not worth the trouble. Looked at more that are just samples and can spot bad porn a mile away. so far I have yet to see anyone who is doing anything different enough to warrant the use of VR. Maybe someone can link us non-believers to scenes that will convert us to believers.

Play a game with VR and the effect is mindblowing, not just because you're closer to the action, you can also move around and take part. Where is that element in porn VR? If you argue it's not required, then why bother using a VR headset?

Are the extra benefits of VR applicable to porn? In gaming they most certainly are, I've yet to try them on a flying dogfight game but that would be truly awesome. Zomby VR was pretty awesome and scary.

Roald 05-29-2017 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21798760)
Six, after that I was sure they were not worth the trouble. Looked at more that are just samples and can spot bad porn a mile away. so far I have yet to see anyone who is doing anything different enough to warrant the use of VR. Maybe someone can link us non-believers to scenes that will convert us to believers.

Play a game with VR and the effect is mindblowing, not just because you're closer to the action, you can also move around and take part. Where is that element in porn VR? If you argue it's not required, then why bother using a VR headset?

Are the extra benefits of VR applicable to porn? In gaming they most certainly are, I've yet to try them on a flying dogfight game but that would be truly awesome. Zomby VR was pretty awesome and scary.

Ok Good. For a minute you sounded like my 5 year old saying he doesn't like something without even tasting it.

You using a cardboard ?

Sid70 05-29-2017 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21798778)
Ok Good. For a minute you sounded like my 5 year old saying he doesn't like something without even tasting it.

You using a cardboard ?

Excellent attitude, I'd love to see you speaking this way to your clients. LOL.

Barry-xlovecam 05-29-2017 04:58 AM

What is the VR broadcast bandwidth requirement/use on the consumer end?
Is a live implementation even realistic in the short term? No, no one is producing VR webcameras at a marketable price.

1080p is limiting 720p is workable (<now>)
4K bandwidth is not realistic now for live broadcast to consumers.

Usability is a big factor -- getting past the *brick on the head* problem will determine if VR ever gets to the top of the adoption curve.:2 cents:

BaldBastard 05-29-2017 04:58 AM

Every splash in the pan idea... people made millions-billions from.

Probably while you sat on the couch and went.. "It won't work, will never last".

Good friend of mines business used to do more than 20k a month just faxing. He used to charge $3 bucks to send an email as well heheh.

Wait till someone like Amazon makes an VR portal with scanned in 3d products, the ability to VR examine a product before purchase will be a revolution in online shopping.

Daniel Piers 05-29-2017 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21793381)
The form it's being served at the moment is a total shit.

The final thought was the best :)

Actually VR games are pretty cool. Yes, VR porn is... weird - to say the least - but I really loved playing Resident Evil and the recently released Farpoint with the new gun on PS VR.

So maybe it's not that great for porn or cinema at all, but it definitely has it's own future far beyond fax :)

Barry-xlovecam 05-29-2017 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21798805)
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Wait till someone like Amazon makes an VR portal with scanned in 3d products, the ability to VR examine a product before purchase will be a revolution in online shopping.

The technology applied to large market segments, if it ever is, is were the money will be made -- but it will improve the service and not be the end-product.

Sid70 05-29-2017 08:24 AM

Okay, I'm so surprised it has brought up so much real shit in the thread. Guilty, I was a bit drunk claiming it's shit. It's just an expensive waste of time at the moment, so, basically speaking a kinda crap :Oh crap

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 21798778)
Ok Good. For a minute you sounded like my 5 year old saying he doesn't like something without even tasting it.

You using a cardboard ?

No a proper headset.

Look at this.




Skip forward to the good bits. :1orglaugh

Now compare it with this.

https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.p...h58735a01061bc

Even this is better, but not as big an improvement as the game experience improvement.


What have they done differently that could not have been done in HD?

The porn industry has to rethink it's it's approach to VR and leave the clients who only want a 20-minute jerk off scene to get their kicks on Pornhub.

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21798673)
I can almost 100% agree to this, I have always said that VR is an additional way to consume porn and if done right, it gives those who love it a great experience. And if you read the consumer feedback we receive on reddit or our member forum, we know that our members have a very specific idea what they want for their money.

I have written several magazine articles about VR, in them I compared the current status to Fred Flintstones car.

But I also attend mainstream VR conferences, just last week in Prague for example, with lots of innovative companies and I have a clear idea where technology in general can take us - and how porn can benefit from that.

And it would be laughable to sit back and let this opportunity pass because somebody on GFY doesn't like and/or doesn't understand it.

Sorry, you're wrong the improvement as I illustrated does not make HD like the Fred Flinstone car. That's the problem. Attending VR conferences on what other industries are doing would have shown you. So tell us where you think VR Porn should be headed to make the experience more compelling to buy into it.

I agree that people who love porn VR will switch, but that's not using the entire benefits of the medium. Here's the problem.

Jerking off can last around 15-20 minutes and then it's done, men go back to what they were doing. As people are saying the mobile is being used because of speed, convenience and accessibility. Porn tubes killed paid porn for the same reason, let's own up $1 a day for access to 1,000 porn scenes isn't a high price. Now VR porn is going the opposite way, for 15-20minutes is it worth it for enough customers to make it the awesome tool some propose. At best all it will do is convert a small percentage of people.

Sid70 05-29-2017 09:04 AM

I just realised the way VR porn can bring some value . . . you wear that gear, ask a Natalie Portman character to enter and suck you off . . . But, the main thing is it has to be somehow synced with a real girl sucking you off... Guess she would be wearing a device on her head too to see what the model is doing to repeat it. Bingo?

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21793891)
I see no reason to watch a VR scene because it does NOT add any value IMO.

:thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

And there you have it. Why go through all the business of VR for those 15-20 watching what the current porn scenes are dishing up? VR version of scenes of what was shot 20 years ago.

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21799267)
I just realised the way VR porn can bring some value . . . you wear that gear, ask a Natalie Portman character to enter and suck you off . . .

That was done decades ago with Betacam. Where's the improvement from the 10,000s of HD POV scenes?

Producers have to start thinking outside the box to get users involved for longer than 15-20 minutes.

Barry-xlovecam 05-29-2017 09:12 AM

It has to be easier to use the product -- the *brick on your head* is the stumbling block, IMO.

The concept is a good one but its execution needs refinement.

Sid70 05-29-2017 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21799273)
That was done decades ago with Betacam. Where's the improvement from the 10,000s of HD POV scenes?

Producers have to start thinking outside the box to get users involved for longer than 15-20 minutes.

Well, Paul, I really have tried to make a use of it . . . :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sid70 05-29-2017 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21799288)
It has to be easier to use the product -- the *brick on your head* is the stumbling block, IMO.

The concept is a good one but its execution needs refinement.

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/...5/31735725.jpg

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21799288)
It has to be easier to use the product -- the *brick on your head* is the stumbling block, IMO.

The concept is a good one but its execution needs refinement.

All VR involves a brick on the head, that's not the problem.

The problem is the content and the way people are approaching the concept of VR. It's like buying a Ferrari so your Gran can go shopping to the corner shop. She didn't need one before and won't use it just because it's in the drive.

Will VR gamers who are into porn, put a brick on their head just to jerk off for 15-20 minutes?

The execution of the content is key.

nectar 05-29-2017 01:16 PM

I'm not interesting in looking around the room while people fuck. It's ok to look up or down but not much more. Could be wrong but I believe VR porn will flop as hard as 3D porn did. Time will tell.

Really, who wants to look at anything other than the woman or the action?

AndyA 05-29-2017 03:21 PM

by the way,

I understand I am in the VR biz but dont normally use VR to jerk off

goggles are too cumbersome right now for me.. now picture throwing on a pair of shades undetectable to anyone around you that you are watching something

think google glass only more of a wrap.. that is where VR is heading

Barry-xlovecam 05-29-2017 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyA (Post 21799960)
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I think google glass only more of a wrap.. that is where VR is heading

^^ This, ease of adoption.

CaptainHowdy 05-29-2017 04:32 PM

https://68.media.tumblr.com/3e7faa7c...agsgo1_500.gif

Paul Markham 05-29-2017 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nectar (Post 21799693)
I'm not interesting in looking around the room while people fuck. It's ok to look up or down but not much more. Could be wrong but I believe VR porn will flop as hard as 3D porn did. Time will tell.

Really, who wants to look at anything other than the woman or the action?

Which negates the benefit of VR for you.

Roald 05-30-2017 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21798790)
Excellent attitude, I'd love to see you speaking this way to your clients. LOL.

No need to sugar coat things here :2 cents:

Ps see sig.

CarlosTheGaucho 05-30-2017 11:40 AM

It appears that:

95 pct. of posts here = those that never ever experienced VR "debating" VR

Makes such a "discussion" rather completely pointless, if not retarded.

Paul Markham 05-31-2017 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho (Post 21801685)
It appears that:

95 pct. of posts here = those that never ever experienced VR "debating" VR

Makes such a "discussion" rather completely pointless, if not retarded.

95% of those saying VR is great, have invested in VR.

I have seen VR and can see the benefits for gaming and movies. So far porn movies are just as good in HD, but having a pair of tits dangle in front of my face was nice. Just put me off my stroke. LOL

Roald 05-31-2017 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21802924)
95% of those saying VR is great, have invested in VR.

But it IS great, sales wise at least. I don't care much for VR in it's current shape even though I do think it looks good with a proper device.


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