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Paul Markham 06-01-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 21804973)
We have a worker deficit in Poland, it's very hard to find staff -

Because they have gone to better paying EU countries where they hold down wages. :Oh crap

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21804928)
Exactly. I didn't go into this to thommy because i just want his take on the voting issue. I'd love to see how he feels about it when a democratic vote is getting overruled by EU serving politicians.

The treaty with Ukraine is another story, which, indeed, will push Ukraine in the EU eventually.



Exactly. Unfortunately, a lot of people here voted in the EU slave again due to his smart campaign, including an orchestrated campaign stunt of kicking out Turkish diplomats 2 days before the election. People deserve what they vote for, but for us who are seeing the big picture, witnessing the side show and how people are being played so easily, it gets very frustrating.

The EU from the outset has made it plain it will enlarge itself by taking in any country who wants to join. Now all that's left are those who will sponge off the richer ones, such as get companies to move where labour costs are low, bring workers in from low wage countries to hold down wages, etc. It will mean the few richer countries will have to fund the whole of the EU.

crockett 06-01-2017 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21803848)
European Union - Dutch senate ratifies EU-Ukraine treaty | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

'We're too weak to fight EU' Shock admission as Dutch senators overturn referendum result


THE NETHERLANDS today formally ratified a treaty between the European Union and Ukraine that was rejected by more than 60 per cent of voters in a democratic referendum.


Voting in your country is void when you're an EU member.

Ahh so now you know how everyone in the US who didn't vote for Trump feels. Trump lost the majority vote and "establishment demoracy" elected him anyway...

Also your EU is working just like in the US, mostly rich populated states pay for all the dead beats. The dead beats are leech states that don't collect enough taxes to cover their own bills. Most of these dead beat states vote Republican...

klinton 06-01-2017 07:26 AM

many of them already have oligarch friend/s or already go to Saudis/ Qatar
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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21805087)
but just try to imagine what will happen when a very poor country with a 45 million population will get a visa free regime with the EU.


Paul Markham 06-01-2017 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21804946)
paul, it does not make sense to post statistics without the background of those.

first of all you have to know HOW consumer prices are defined.

the price index you shoed here is basicly influenced by the oil price (what have NOTHING to do with wages, jobs or whatever - it just have to do with the world market and speculations on oil).

Those indexes don't change, they use the same products to gauge costs of living regardless. So your reply is bullshit. A lot of the price rises is due to this.

https://www.theguardian.com/business...rs-rics-survey

The state of the UK housing market in five charts

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...02_634x388.jpg


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in the same sentence you accept, that this works will be done more and more by robots in the future (what will happen for sure) but you do not see the advantage in that and you do not even think about a solution how a world can survive when human workers are not needet anymore. from WHOM shall they get the money?
From the 10% who live at the top of the ladder. Think back to pre-WW1 days to see how it works. Do you think the owners of the large mansion houses worried about their workers not being able to buy enough?

A good example is a Chinese factory worker isn't buying the same amount of goods a US factory worker does. This never stops the bosses moving their factory and relying on the Chines to made goods to be sold in the US. And don't forget the money is now in China so sales in China rise, buying Chines produced goods. If they bought the equivalent value of US goods, there wouldn't be a trade gap.


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imagine: if you have just 1 million people spending 1 euro every day in such a fund how much money would be there within a year.
Economics isn't about imagining what if.

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imagine HOW MANY companies do not have the capital to robotize their companies.
Economics isn't about imagining what if.

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imagine HOW FUNNY would that be if you are part of a company what is made to replace you in your job with renting robots to your ex-boss
it will not be THE robot making your job it would be YOUR ROBOT !!!!
Economics isn't about imagining what if. For me, as a boss, it would be my robot. For the worker who I sack, it would be his life on unemployment. Don't have to imagine that as it's happening.

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THIS is visioneering !!!!
Whose vision, certainly not the man who is made redundant.

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 21805078)
You're acting as if western europe isn't already crawling with eastern european prostitutes :1orglaugh

Western Europe is crawling with Eastern European workers of all types. It holds down wages.

Bladewire 06-01-2017 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21805162)
Ahh so now you know how everyone in the US who didn't vote for Trump feels. Trump lost the majority vote and "establishment demoracy" elected him anyway...

I was thinking the exact same thing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sid70 06-01-2017 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21803848)
European Union - Dutch senate ratifies EU-Ukraine treaty | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

'We're too weak to fight EU' Shock admission as Dutch senators overturn referendum result


THE NETHERLANDS today formally ratified a treaty between the European Union and Ukraine that was rejected by more than 60 per cent of voters in a democratic referendum.


Voting in your country is void when you're an EU member.

Since I live in the EU I frequently fly to A'dam to fuck ND whores, every Ukrainian factory worker is gonna be able to do so very soon. Homoland, beware, here we come!

On the subject: that voting was NEVER meant to be anything official. It's like a fucking Budapest Memorandum.

Sid70 06-01-2017 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21805087)
I'm not "acting" at all ;) Your Eastern European prostitutes are already there (Polish, Czech, Slovakian, Baltic etc), but just try to imagine what will happen when a very poor country with a 45 million population will get a visa free regime with the EU. A country which is famous for super hot girls (hands down here), prostitution and the greatest in the world HIV epidemic.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B-TgvH8sSn...no-nu/9008.jpg

Hard to imagine even . . . It's the end of EU as we know it. They sit butts tight waiting for June the 11th.

ianmoone332000 06-01-2017 08:14 AM

So glad we voted out. Wish it wasnt 2 years of sorting things out though, id rather be out sooner. Let Germany pay Britain's contributions when we are gone. They are idiots anyway

Sid70 06-01-2017 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000 (Post 21805360)
So glad we voted out. Wish it wasnt 2 years of sorting things out though, id rather be out sooner. Let Germany pay Britain's contributions when we are gone. They are idiots anyway

Most of my UK friends are against Brexit. Just saying.

Paul Markham 06-01-2017 08:50 AM

If the EU were truly democratic it would ask all the people in the old Common Market if they wanted to convert to the new EU which would then work towards taking Europe in a United States of Europe.

So far politicians of both sides rarely ask the public specifically want they Europe to be.

Sid70 06-01-2017 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21805489)
If the EU were truly democratic it would ask all the people in the old Common Market if they wanted to convert to the new EU which would then work towards taking Europe in a United States of Europe.

So far politicians of both sides rarely ask the public specifically want they Europe to be.

USE is utopia, IMO, same as World Government.

k0nr4d 06-01-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21805087)
I'm not "acting" at all ;) Your Eastern European prostitutes are already there (Polish, Czech, Slovakian, Baltic etc), but just try to imagine what will happen when a very poor country with a 45 million population will get a visa free regime with the EU. A country which is famous for super hot girls (hands down here), prostitution and the greatest in the world HIV epidemic.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B-TgvH8sSn...no-nu/9008.jpg

I like to think Poland has hands-down the cleanest prostitutes in the region! :1orglaugh

crockett 06-01-2017 10:54 AM

nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

ianmoone332000 06-01-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21805399)
Most of my UK friends are against Brexit. Just saying.


Yeah they are the minority in Britain then

Bladewire 06-01-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21805747)
nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

BOOM!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh👍🏼😂


just a punk 06-01-2017 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21805747)
48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

That's because there is no direct election system in the USA. Electors vote for the peasants.

nico-t 06-02-2017 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21805747)
nico-t please don't run away see we finally have something in common.

You now understand why those of us in the US who didn't vote for Trump see him as a illegitimate president.

48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

5.7% of those who voted, voted for a 3rd candidate.

Meaning 53.9% of American voters voted against Trump being president. So not only did he lose the majority vote to the other main candidate, he also lost almost an additional 6% of the vote to 3rd party candidates.. Clearly the majority of the people in America chose not to have Donald Trump as our president.

Yet, the "establishment" electoral college anointed him victory over the people's voice.

I'm glad you can finally understand what it's like to have your voice ignored while being part of the majority! It sucks right?

Are you seriously comparing your system of a representative democracy in one country to a centralized EU dictatorship overruling individual sovereign countries democracies and laws?

nico-t 06-02-2017 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21806470)
BOOM!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh👍🏼😂


diffused by common sense and facts, sorry to disappoint :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 06-02-2017 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21805747)
48.2% of the people who voted, voted for Hillary Clinton.
46.1% of the people who voted, voted for Donald Trump.

They fought under the same rules. Clinton lost under those rules. If the rules had been different, the fight would have been different.

Paul Markham 06-02-2017 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 21805495)
USE is utopia, IMO, same as World Government.

USE will be an expensive nightmare.

Already we see the richest few subsidising the poorest many. Add the migration effect that takes the low-skilled workers from the poorest countries and puts them into the richer countries. Causing more unemployment, lower wages and increased benefits.

EU migrants without a job make up city the size of Bristol

Three million EU migrants to keep benefits after Brexit in breach of Tory manifesto

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Male migrants are concentrated in the two lowest paid occupational categories (elementary and processing occupations) and in one of the highest paid occupational categories (professional), while female migrants are more concentrated in professional jobs (e.g. nurses, engineering professionals, information technology and telecommunication, and health professionals), elementary (e.g. cleaners, kitchen and catering assistants), and personal service work.
Why take so many low paid workers with 1.6 million unemployed? The real level is said to be 3.5 million. Many low-paid in the UK get subsidies from the government so they can survive. Allowing big business to get away with holding wages down.

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The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing.
This is slowly bankrupting the UK, along with a few more European countries.

Thommy will tell us this is all good. http://www.businessinsider.com/r-num...percent-2016-9

The EU refused David Cameron this proposal. Seems Merkel doesn't get the same treatment. https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...iming-benefits

pimpmaster9000 06-02-2017 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 21807370)
Are you seriously comparing your system of a representative democracy in one country to a centralized EU dictatorship overruling individual sovereign countries democracies and laws?

http://realworlducs.com/wp-content/u...Are-Owned1.jpg


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