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crockett 06-13-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 21831811)
Yep, him and others are stalling

They are stalling right to the mid terms which will be a disastrous choice for the Republican party. Even McCain said he thinks Republicans might lose the House because of the toxic partisanship from his own party..

This mid term election will be very insistently fought over and much of the Gerrymandering that has kept Republicans in secure seating for years is being undone..

Obama went right to work after he left office and has been working with other Democrats to fight the illegal gerrymandering that has been done all over the southern states.. So far they have not lost a single court case, because what Republicans have done is 100% illegal and very often to have been racially motivated.

This coming mid term will be a drastic change for congress.. Trump will end up being the guy who destroyed the Republican party. It's because of him and the current toxic environment that people have had enough of it, took notice and started fighting them. If they would have picked as less toxic leader, perhaps they could have went on for another 20 years in power with their gerrymandered states and figuring out new ways to stop people from voting..

baddog 06-13-2017 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21831823)
I will answer your questions from now on with one of Jeff Sessions perfectly acceptable answer..

"I don't recall"

"I don't believe so"

"Not to my recollection"

"I don't know at this time"

"I'm not sure, I might know later though"

"I believe so"

Find the transcript and show specific examples of when it wasn't an appropriate response.

Bladewire 06-13-2017 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831826)
From your testimony, you said you don't remember whether the ambassador from Russia was there.

SESSIONS: I did not remember that, but I understand he was there. So I don't doubt that he was. I believe that representations are correct. I recently saw a video of him coming into the room.

Notice he didn't say that he didn't speak to him or see him or shake hands with him. You can do all those things and "understand he was there". You can do all those things and "not doubt he was there". You can do all those things and "believe that representations are correct".

You see the wordplay?

Honest answer:

"I've since heard he was there but I didn't see him or have any interaction with him when I was there."

Very simple, but not for Jeff Sessions. :2 cents:

Rochard 06-13-2017 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831820)
Like I said, the Democrats don't know how to word a question. His responses were probably accurate because they were fishing and didn't have a clue what they were looking for.

Rule one: Don't ask a question you don't know the answer to.

No, this is not the case at all. It wasn't that the questions were improperly worded.

I didn't watch all of it, but at one point Sessions was being asked if certain people had contacts with the Russian government during the Trump Campaign. He was asked if Micheal Flynn had contacts with the Russian government during the Trump campaign and he replied with "I do not recall". Really, how could Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General of the United States, "not recall" that the National Security Advisor was forced to resign because he lied about working for a foreign government? Not only was it front page news, it's very, very important to his position as Attorney General who might be pressing charges against Flynn. How can he "not recall"?

Sessions was also asked about Paul Manafort, and if Manafort had any connections with the Russian government. We know he worked directly for the Ukrainian government and the then pro Russian president, and he is currently under investigation for these contacts. This is common knowledge, but Sessions said "I do not remember" when asked if Manafort had any connections to the Russian government.

In both cases the answer to this is "Yes" and anyone who has followed the news in the past five months knows this. Why couldn't the attorney general of the United States properly answer these questions?

Bladewire 06-13-2017 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21831847)
Why couldn't the attorney general of the United States properly answer these questions?

Because he's knee deep in it and dirty as they come.

You don't recuse yourself from the Russian investigation, then write a letter for the reason why the investigator on the Russian case should be fired. Sessions is a shady bad little elf, the kind that makes broken Christmas toys :disgust

baddog 06-13-2017 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21831847)
No, this is not the case at all. It wasn't that the questions were improperly worded.

I didn't watch all of it, but at one point Sessions was being asked if certain people had contacts with the Russian government during the Trump Campaign. He was asked if Micheal Flynn had contacts with the Russian government during the Trump campaign and he replied with "I do not recall". Really, how could Jeff Sessions, the Attorney General of the United States, "not recall" that the National Security Advisor was forced to resign because he lied about working for a foreign government? Not only was it front page news, it's very, very important to his position as Attorney General who might be pressing charges against Flynn. How can he "not recall"?

Sessions was also asked about Paul Manafort, and if Manafort had any connections with the Russian government. We know he worked directly for the Ukrainian government and the then pro Russian president, and he is currently under investigation for these contacts. This is common knowledge, but Sessions said "I do not remember" when asked if Manafort had any connections to the Russian government.

In both cases the answer to this is "Yes" and anyone who has followed the news in the past five months knows this. Why couldn't the attorney general of the United States properly answer these questions?

You answered your own question early on; you didn't watch it all.

Paste the testimony here. I watched it and I suspect in some instances it would be hearsay to go on what he heard but hadn't confirmed personally.

baddog 06-13-2017 04:53 PM

And he wasn't AG during the Trump campaign

Rochard 06-13-2017 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21831832)
They are stalling right to the mid terms which will be a disastrous choice for the Republican party. Even McCain said he thinks Republicans might lose the House because of the toxic partisanship from his own party..

This mid term election will be very insistently fought over and much of the Gerrymandering that has kept Republicans in secure seating for years is being undone..

Obama went right to work after he left office and has been working with other Democrats to fight the illegal gerrymandering that has been done all over the southern states.. So far they have not lost a single court case, because what Republicans have done is 100% illegal and very often to have been racially motivated.

This coming mid term will be a drastic change for congress.. Drumpf will end up being the guy who destroyed the Republican party. It's because of him and the current toxic environment that people have had enough of it, took notice and started fighting them. If they would have picked as less toxic leader, perhaps they could have went on for another 20 years in power with their gerrymandered states and figuring out new ways to stop people from voting..

What we have right now is two things... We have this Russian and Obstruction Of Justice investigation, and a stalled agenda where nothing is getting done.

The investigations will go on for some time. This is not going away. Trump firing Comey just tossed a lot more fuel on the fire. He made a bad situation much much worse.

At the same time Trump is telling us no administration has worked faster to get things done. During the (rather odd) cabinet meeting yesterday one person said "thank you for getting the country moving again". No major legislation has been passed.

In fact, yesterday's cabinet meeting was... the very first full cabinet meeting of the Trump Administration. We are five months into Trump's administration and this is the first full cabinet meeting? What? Why did it take so long?

Trump's approval rating is an all time low and not getting any better. This will be a huge problem for Republicans.

Rochard 06-13-2017 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831859)
You answered your own question early on; you didn't watch it all.

Paste the testimony here. I watched it and I suspect in some instances it would be hearsay to go on what he heard but hadn't confirmed personally.

I quoted the parts I watched. He was asked a very specific question where the only proper answer was "yes" and he instead answered "I don't recall".

Rochard 06-13-2017 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831865)
And he wasn't AG during the Drumpf campaign

I don't see how this relates to our conversation, but since you bring it up.... Why exactly did Sessions meet with the Russians? Twenty-six other people on the Committee on Armed Services and ONLY Sessions met with the Russians.

Why did Sessions meet with the Russians and what was discussed?

baddog 06-13-2017 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21831886)
I don't see how this relates to our conversation, but since you bring it up.... Why exactly did Sessions meet with the Russians? Twenty-six other people on the Committee on Armed Services and ONLY Sessions met with the Russians.

Why did Sessions meet with the Russians and what was discussed?

What meeting was that?

Here is the testimony you never heard.

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MANCHIN: To the best of your knowledge, did any of the following individuals meet with Russian officials at any point during the campaign? You can just go yes or no as I go down through the list: Paul Manafort.

SESSIONS: Repeat that now.

MANCHIN: To the best of your knowledge, sir, did any of these following individuals meet with Russian officials at any point during the campaign, and you can just yes or no on this: Paul Manafort.

SESSIONS: I don't have any information that he has done so. He served as campaign chairman for a few months.

MANCHIN: Steve Bannon.

SESSIONS: I have no information that he did.

MANCHIN: General Michael Flynn.

SESSIONS: I don't recall it.

MANCHIN: Reince Priebus?

SESSIONS: I don't recall.

MANCHIN: Steve Miller?

SESSIONS: I don't recall him ever having such a conversation.

MANCHIN: Corey Lewandowski.

SESSIONS: I do not recall any of those individuals having any meeting with Russian officials.

MANCHIN: Carter Page.

SESSIONS: I don't know.
Why should he know?

pimpmaster9000 06-13-2017 05:11 PM

We all know pooty rigged it...that's just how pooty is...

bronco67 06-13-2017 05:12 PM

When someone asks "Have you spoken with anyone in the Trump administration about the Russia investigation", and Sessions responds with a non answer such as "I can answer that question because it's part of a private conversation blah blah", that basically means:

YES.

Otherwise if the answer was NO, he would have said "No". So a non-answer makes it very clear what the real answer is.

Same with Comey. When he says he'd rather discuss whether or not Trump campaign members colluded with Russians in a closed setting, that means "yes, there was collusion".

Barry-xlovecam 06-13-2017 05:39 PM

I turned it off after a while -- Sessions was hurting my head with his run-a-rounds and his obfuscation of gobbledygook answers to direct questions. I can't say he is lying but I think he is not telling the whole truth of what he may know.

beerptrol 06-13-2017 05:45 PM

They don't want to invoke executive privilege because it looks bad plus then they can take them to court to try and revoke it and we know how much winning Chump has had in court. So they come up with bullshit reason not to answer

Bladewire 06-13-2017 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21831907)
when someone asks "have you spoken with anyone in the trump administration about the russia investigation", and sessions responds with a non answer such as "i can answer that question because it's part of a private conversation blah blah", that basically means:

Yes.

Otherwise if the answer was no, he would have said "no". So a non-answer makes it very clear what the real answer is.

Same with comey. When he says he'd rather discuss whether or not trump campaign members colluded with russians in a closed setting, that means "yes, there was collusion".

QfT ~ ~ ✌️👾

Rochard 06-13-2017 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831898)
What meeting was that?

He met with the Russians twice. This has been confirmed.

Why did he meet with the Russian government? What was discussed? Was there someone from the State Department present? Was there notes taken during these two meetings? If there was, does the State Department have them? If the State Department doesn't have them, why not? If notes weren't taken, why? Wouldn't be standard and required to report and brief the State Department on any meeting on behalf of the United States with the Russian government?

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21831898)
Here is the testimony you never heard.

Why should he know?

That is the testimony I heard. Why should he know? Are you kidding me? Sessions is the Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department....

Are you seriously telling me that the man in charge of the Justice Department isn't fully aware of every aspect of the biggest legal case in the country no less the biggest legal case in the history of the United States?

Not to mention some of these is common knowledge.... We all saw the video footage of Flynn sitting at the same table with Putin, and the others have given speeches for RT....

TheDynasty 06-13-2017 09:50 PM

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baddog 06-14-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21832084)
He met with the Russians twice. This has been confirmed.

Why did he meet with the Russian government? What was discussed? Was there someone from the State Department present? Was there notes taken during these two meetings? If there was, does the State Department have them? If the State Department doesn't have them, why not? If notes weren't taken, why? Wouldn't be standard and required to report and brief the State Department on any meeting on behalf of the United States with the Russian government?



That is the testimony I heard. Why should he know? Are you kidding me? Sessions is the Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department....

Are you seriously telling me that the man in charge of the Justice Department isn't fully aware of every aspect of the biggest legal case in the country no less the biggest legal case in the history of the United States?

Not to mention some of these is common knowledge.... We all saw the video footage of Flynn sitting at the same table with Putin, and the others have given speeches for RT....

Is that why they call Marines jarheads?

What specific meeting are you referring to? Look it up.

And seriously dude; the question was, "To the best of your knowledge, did any of the following individuals meet with Russian officials at any point during the campaign?"

HE WAS NOT AG DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

Based on comments of Democrats during the questioning; if you see someone on a tradeshow floor, stop, shake hands and say anything, that qualifies as a meeting.

crockett 06-14-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21832084)
He met with the Russians twice. This has been confirmed.

Why did he meet with the Russian government? What was discussed? Was there someone from the State Department present? Was there notes taken during these two meetings? If there was, does the State Department have them? If the State Department doesn't have them, why not? If notes weren't taken, why? Wouldn't be standard and required to report and brief the State Department on any meeting on behalf of the United States with the Russian government?



That is the testimony I heard. Why should he know? Are you kidding me? Sessions is the Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department....

Are you seriously telling me that the man in charge of the Justice Department isn't fully aware of every aspect of the biggest legal case in the country no less the biggest legal case in the history of the United States?

Not to mention some of these is common knowledge.... We all saw the video footage of Flynn sitting at the same table with Putin, and the others have given speeches for RT....

Look we all know what is really important to find out.. Is kaspersky virus protection safe to install on your computer.. (this was literally Marco Rubio's most important questions during 2 of the House's investigation hearings)

Bladewire 06-14-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21833062)
Is that why they call Marines jarheads?

You shouldn't post drunk. All you do is insult people and call names, that makes you useless.

Bladewire 06-14-2017 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21832084)
He met with the Russians twice. This has been confirmed.

Why did he meet with the Russian government? What was discussed? Was there someone from the State Department present? Was there notes taken during these two meetings? If there was, does the State Department have them? If the State Department doesn't have them, why not? If notes weren't taken, why? Wouldn't be standard and required to report and brief the State Department on any meeting on behalf of the United States with the Russian government?

We'll never know because our attorney general doesn't remember his Russian conversations but can quote his Ukrainian ambassadors conversation word for word.

AG Sessions said he's going to fight giving over any notes or his schedule too. Nothing to hide huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21832084)
That is the testimony I heard. Why should he know? Are you kidding me? Sessions is the Attorney General in charge of the Justice Department....

Are you seriously telling me that the man in charge of the Justice Department isn't fully aware of every aspect of the biggest legal case in the country no less the biggest legal case in the history of the United States?

Not to mention some of these is common knowledge.... We all saw the video footage of Flynn sitting at the same table with Putin, and the others have given speeches for RT....


This is why it's obvious there's something BIG they are hiding. If the fucking AG of the United States of America, who works for the people, can't remember select conversations and meetings and refuses to discuss conversations with the president and handing over basic documents like notes or schedules, then he shouldnt be the fucking attorney general!

Who the fuck wants to hide simple innocent conversations, notes and schedules with an ambassador? Something is really wrong with the Trump administration.

baddog 06-14-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21833239)
handing over basic documents like notes or schedules, then he shouldnt be the fucking attorney general!

Who the fuck wants to hide simple innocent conversations, notes and schedules with an ambassador? Something is really wrong with the Trump administration.

What documentation did he refuse to turn over? He said he would.

Bladewire 06-14-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21833728)
What documentation did he refuse to turn over? He said he would.

No he didn't. Why are you lying? Responding to a question is not saying he'll hand over documents. You shouldn't post drunk dude :2 cents:

Sessions Won?t Commit To Further Testimony Or Handing Over Documents

?Can we also get your commitment, since there will be questions about some of these meetings that took place or not, that we could get access to documents, or memoranda or your daybook or something?? Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA), the committee?s vice chairman, asked.

?We?ll be glad to provide appropriate responses to your questions and review them carefully and try to be responsive,? Sessions replied.


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