You mean paysites? or traffic sources? Because I mentioned that the old traffic sources died, so yeah.. there are less free sites.

As for paysites, most of them were shitty cookie cutter crap with a few pic sets and non exclusive videos.. There were tens of sponsors running 50+ paysites like this. They died because they lost affiliates who would promote any crap if it paid them well. Actually, I am glad they are out, that tactics of selling crap and ripping off customers was only causing harm to this business.

A thread about GFY dying has 150 views and 2,073 views ...

Too many sitting in hell reading the obituaries --or-- O' Bitch U Aries ...

liberal yes, and I am a liberal person (how can you not be when working in porn - but that's a different topic), but that you don't understand what I write is not my problem

You often post very liberal and illogical posts supporting the liberal view.

You often post very conservative and illogical posts supporting the conservative view.

You often post very xenophobic and illogical posts supporting the xenophobic view.

You often post very racist and illogical posts supporting the racist view.

You often post very homophobic and illogical posts supporting the homophobic view.

The list goes on and on ...


Nobody really wins a pissing contest.

Too many useless people are allowed to post, and that causes the useful people not to post.

The same thread has been created 50 times over the last decade. As always some group of assholes is trying to say its because of those who post are rude etc. As if this place was anything else... ever "go fuck yourself". Give me a break.

People like Stefan (crybabies who want to insult others - usually passive agressively and then complain like a little bitch when insulted) wants you to think he'd be doing $100k a month if only I wasn't here or someone else wasn't here as if all the 100s of DarkJedis, DirtyFranks etc etc etc etc etc etc somehow weren't always here.

They were.

People just don't need content today like they did 15 years ago. One would think that would seem quite obvious even to a total retard. But then again, more than anything this is an industry of incompetents, continually lamenting the past and scheming to somehow put the genie back in the bottle... since picking the low hanging fruit was the only time they ever made a dime online.

The difference between now and way back when is that as the decline of the state of the industry continues, those who use this place as a distraction has grown and those who use it for business has declined. .... because those who were never business people faded away. its called regression to the mean... not "i need to control who is posting on a forum so i can make more money".

Why is it sinking?

Because there's less business to be done.

The internet changed quickly
How people use the internet changed quickly
Where people spend their time online changed quickly
The total number of affiliates declined quickly
The total number of affiliate ass kissers declined quickly
The total number of programs looking for affiliates declined quickly
Surfer traffic patterns changed quickly (aggregating to tubes)
The total number of thoroughly useless assholes chasing affiliates for hosting, content, design, cc processing etc declined quickly..... and on and on it goes.

Further, the amount of money to be made in mainstream grew quickly. You can come on here and tout yourself as an SEO expert and get blasted right off the board by those who know better... you can run and Ad on FB and get endless clients willing to pay 4 figures a month for you to do the most obvious things to their site. So why be here? Why deal with content that most of the net doesn't want to be a part of?

10 more Trump threads a day or 10 less has NOTHING to do with the state of or the future of this board (neglected and ran by incompetents since lensman got rid of it) or the business... and everyone's inability to adapt to the constant change of a maturing industry going through the VERY NORMAL and standard, textbook stages of growth and maturity.

lots of fucks that aren't even in the biz spending 15h+/day on here and posting BS... you know who they are... get a life losers!

Is it not your position to Mod?

His position is what its always been. if people would stop calling him out for the bullshit business service of "SEO text" as if there ever was such a thing, he'd be more successful.

Ok so who pissed in the Squealers cereal?

😂

This is one of those things that irritates me. I don't know what forum a lot of you have been reading over the years, but this forum was always full of time wasters and bullshitters and people continually starting shit.

It blows me away when people act like that's not true. it really blows me away when they act like had somehow, this was different, they'd find more success.

Even Relentless keeps singing the same song over and over and over... yet on his own private utopia, he's still his own largest advertiser after all this time, selling a dying service that no one actually needs or cares about.

Thinking about him right now, reminds me of a conversation last night and this morning with a friend/member of this forum about FB ads, lead gen and his own large network of SEO sites (1700 i think) where he outranks most competitors in every large city with multiple sites for a particular, competitive service. We've been doing the same basic shit since google was launched and there's always been these guys selling services based on falsehoods, myth and matt cutts blog posts.... while informing others at every turn that "google wants..." (the thing they sell) and that the thing they sell is the most important ranking factor. That has never been true. This industry is full to the brim of bullshitters and fake people.

^^^ 5th meltdown this week :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Yeah this board was always troll fest, only difference now how general trolls was replaced by political trolls since there is nothing left to discuss about industry.

I think this forum was always little more than a distraction for most people who visited it over the years. It was at its peak the largest forum online for a minute. Now, with fewer and fewer affiliates, you have fewer affiliate reps, fewer programs, fewer service providers etc and the troll to business ratio has skewed considerably. but it has nothing to do with who posts here... it has to do with the fact that the business is nothing at all like it was even 5 years ago and the only people left standing are just here to kill time and conduct their business off the boards.

I agree though that the political crap has gone way too far. The same small group of crazies began before Trump and went into overdrive after Trump.

There's a lot to discuss about the industry but GFY is where known thieves and trolls reside without moderation so am I going to discuss my new site here knowing it will be added to a thieves list of sites to scrape? No.

Am I going to discuss my alternate Tumblr strategy to keep my SEO ranking despite their new adult content regulations going into effect , knowing all the spammers that troll on GFY? No.

Am I going to post my new content knowing it will get trolled to shit. No.

I will answer questions, give insite, guidance, etc I'll make creative threads or music threads to connect with people, etc.

We have users here that have ripped multiple members off for years that are allowed to post.

We have users accusing people of CP & being pedophiles allowed to post.

We have people trolling people after every post calling people racial slurs, gay slurs and the female members ugly sluts, allowed to post everyday.

Despite all this, others and myself, and you, are still here. Maybe its just a rough patch GFY has to get through weeding out the people who want to destroy GFY, and empowering those of us fighting to keep it's spirit alive.

Weren't you the troll with the nick JACOBKELL that used to post bullshit on NP for their points years ago?? :1orglaugh

This forum died on the day when GMS got the order,
to reinvest the shaved and stolen revshare earnings,
of the years before.

Porn quality has nothing to do with the video being exclusive or non-exclusive. This has created the cookie cutter sites and low conversion rates over the years.

To the viewer every video he hasn't seen is exclusive, he doesn't give a flying fuck if it's on 1 site or 1,000. To him it's new. It did matter to the owners of TGP sites who demanded exclusive submissions to lower the job load.

This for all sites created a problem. They could only afford to pay for content that would only get seen on their site. Gone were the days of the big boys being able to spend $10,000 or more on a scene. Looking back at the days Private, Wicked, Vivid, etc were able to create truly unique content I can see the difference with today's cookie cutter exclusive scenes.

A girl on a sofa gets fucked, it's the only scene this girl wears this outfit and get fucked on this sofa. However, there are so many scenes of her getting fucked on another sofa in another outfit getting fucked and 10,000s of scenes of other girls on other sofas getting fucked, that are exactly the same.

So why join a site when you know all you're going to get is non-exclusive cheap exclusive content that's the same as everyone else's?

Before you mention a few sites that do it differently, think hard about what exclusive really.

I do agree with the part about affiliates only interested in the short-term return. Just like site owners.

I understand liberal policies are causing the downfall of the West. Government spending and borrowing are rising. living standards of most working classes are declining. The EU allowed Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece, Eire to run up debts so high the repayment has created huge problems for the citizens of those countries.

I understand the EU trade policies have allowed the Third World to use the EU as a source of sales of goods once made in the EU. And now some EU leaders want to look after millions of poor people from the Third World.

A leader's job is to protect and safeguard the lives and living standards of its citizens, on that the liberals have failed.

i called it like 5 years ago! remember? i said when epass fell the sponsors would. i think the only one that is still solid is paperstreet(on nats)

don't worry that sig cash will be gone at the end of the year :winkwink:

damn i have not heard that name in years

People don't need content as much as they used to because now 90% of the traffic is on 10-20 sites, all giving it away for free.

Go back 10 years and traffic was spread more evenly and no one gave entire scenes or sites away for free. This needed more affiliates submitting more free stuff and more sites scrapping for more affiliates. Now one man can submit a new video to all the major Tubes in a day and get more views than 1,000 affiliates could get 10 years ago.

Less major free sites + more free porn = less sites, affiliates, disigners, programmers, etc.

Without the Trump, nudes and news rants threads, GFY would be dead. There's not enough business being done to keep it alive, which was what other all business boards discovered.

What was discussed back in the day that was so important?

Sponsors were promoting their sites as the greatest thing since sliced bread, which turned out to be a lie.

In fact, most of the discussion was just promotional BS with everyone saying they did it better than anyone else. And their method was right.

You're trying to keep your work a secret. Good luck selling it then. :1orglaugh

how the fuk do u know what "people" need? you are the former owner of a failed biz right?

I agree with most you said about the industry changing.
That said, the increased number of political, hate, and completely offtopic threads do have a negative effect on quality threads/posts. Maybe it has to do with the balance - there are indeed less active people who balance it out by posting useful threads.

Anyway, I hear from many intelligent people that they don't want to post in such a place. I do post, but I'd definitely contribute more if the subforum was a pure business one, with the non-biz threads and posts deleted or moved.

The crazies have always been an essential part of GFY, however, I would call the past version a rather more pleasant distraction. There was a regular train wreck on parade and piss and that was fine and often very amusing.

However, if the same deranged lunacy repeats over and over and over and over and over in about 30 - 50 pct. of the threads online, by the usual suspects, and with a very predictable outcome - it becomes incredibly annoying.

Then again, GFY will never die.

amusingly enough I don't even mind you, no idea why you feel the need to insult me - but one tip: insults work much better when you keep them short instead of always doing like 3 paragraphs - including boasting how much more clever you are than the rest of us. I'm sure you also have a psychological explanation for that behaviour but for that you would need to be able to self-reflect.

besides that: 2017 is going to be our best year since we started in 2003 and GFY has not much to do with that from a business point of view - I just miss coming here and have fun pissing matches and a good laugh. It's just not fun anymore. Sad. (as Trump would say)

The board has certainly slowed down since when I started hanging out here in 2002.

There were some hysterical threads, epic meltdowns, and outrageous board personalities from when I showed up in 02 until about 08-09 ...

My favorites:

Whenever Amputate your head showed up to comment on things.
Quiet : His threads were a MUST read. RIP Quiet.
Shap: Business threads for days.
tASSY and Halcyon: Pink and Hugs for all.
FletchXXX: Designs for days.
Star69: Club scene in Europe
theFLY: Pete I worked with at one time. Totally cool guy and really laid back.

Whenever a "post your ride" or "post your house" or "post your desk" thread came up those were enjoyable.

These days threads sit on page 1 for days. That was strange when I first noticed that compared to the days of old.

I have been here daily for the past 15 years and have yet to see any thread sit on page 1 for "days".
Yes it has slowed down but not that slow

No. I was asked by GFY to moderate a specific series of posts. I was not, am not, and will not be a 'general' mod on this board.

Not sure who pissed in your cornflakes but here is the truth, take it or leave it:

I have a long list of very loyal clients that I have worked with for 5, 7 or 10+ years in some cases. I also have a healthy set of new clients each month. The companies I work with aren't paying me for 'bullshit business services' year after year after year. They pay me because they earn more from my work than I cost. It's simple math.

When I started in this business text was seen as the bottom rung of the ladder. Now among my mainstream clients and adult clients that has changed considerably. It is one of the least expensive, easiest to control, most reliable and most effective ways to market a product online.

Google absolutely relies on high quality original text content. So does every successful join page, newsletter, mass email, advertorial article, blog post, newsfeed, social media campaign, meme, erotic story, product description, business memo, PDF, Press Release, Review, Ebook, model bio, scene or category description, terms of service, privacy policy, meta description, page title, tag, infographic, branding campaign, seminar presentation, banner ad, tradeshow signage, print interview, VC deck, instruction manual, love letter, dating profile, and grocery store shopping list.

I happen to sell 4-6 million words each year. Almost all of it has a positive impact on SEO. It is not the only factor used in SEO and all of my clients are aware of that fact. Sales pitches are often augmented with images, videos, soundbites, and so on as well. Your dislike of text and hard work changes zero of the facts.

Here is the best part: opinion means absolutely nothing. My clients are among the largest and most successful companies on the planet in mainstream and adult. They test EVERYTHING continuously. Every page, each keyword, each campaign, each CTR, the ROI on every individual idea.... and the results of their own internal data dictate what they do next.

As long as my clients continue earning more from my work than I cost, I'll continue to work with them. A proven track record earned over a dozen years supplying marketing strategies, SEO advice, useful B2B networking referrals, quality text, reputation management services, backlinks and more have earned me a nice living and earned several of my clients an earlier retirement.

Enjoy the rest of your cornflakes ;)

Paul there's nothing in that long post of mine that even hints at keepin most of my business tactics or strategies a secret :1orglaugh and I don't need luck selling anything I have 18 years of creating my own content and selling it online my first paysite was in 1999 and it's still active, but thanks for the well wishes :winkwink::thumbsup

I give info on GFY all the time and I contribute all the time and I'm not gonna nag a poster and say "Hey did you follow my advice?" "Hey you never said thank you" "Hey I see all your domains are dead" etc. etc. Shap and many others and I have had great back and fourths.

GFY could do surfers a favor and put a copy of great business threads in a separate forum or mark them somehow so they don't get lost in the muck, just an idea.

Congrats..

BTW... i always loved how you have to insist that "google wants quality text" as if everyone that writes a sentence on a subject in their native language is an idiot.

Lets experiment shall we?... let's search "porn movies" in google.

OH WAIT... Whats happening here??!?!?!?!?!

Zero high quality text.

Well... we did use "movies". Movies don't need much text. Though it still contradicts your decade old thesis... lets agree that might not be fair.

Lets use a much more generic term... "Porn"!

Surely all the high quality text will dominate the SERPs right?

Oops!!?!?!?!

Again, same sites.

Zero high quality text.

That makes no sense right?

How is that possible, when you have said for over a decade now that its what matters most???

Why aren't search engines dominated by English majors?

So confusing.

It's almost like you're just selling a service to people who don't know better and you aren't doing near as well as you'd like people to think you are... as has always been the case.

Btw... selling a writing service is great. People are busy. There's a demand. Particularly for companies running programs and sites.

Selling TEXT for "seo" as THE primary factor or even a major factor in ranking pages in Google for anything remotely close to being competitive however, is an outright scam... and has never once been true, ever. All you need to do is perform a few simple searches to understand that is an incontrovertible fact. Of course you need keywords etc... and that doesn't and never has required a 3rd party to figure out.

Fake nic Alert..

Which posts specifically are you supposed to be modding and if you are only modding a few specific types of posts who mods the rest? Eric?

Text is not "THE primary factor" because there is no "primary factor." SEO is a sliding scale graded by an algorithm that dynamically includes many elements and changes their weight on a regular basis. If you think properly written original text in significant quantity is not "A factor"... you are wrong. It's that simple.

A site can rank with zero backlinks. A site can rank with zero text. A site can rank with a terrible bounce rate. A site can rank with low time on site and low average page views. A site can rank without any page titles in the meta. A site can rank without image tags. That isn't what any SEO strategy is based on.

What do you base an SEO strategy on? Could the site rank for more terms with a few changes? Does it rank as highly as it could? Are there ways that the organic traffic can be improved? Can it rank better against its competitors? SEO is about making improvements across a variety of factors in a cost effective way that produces a positive ROI. Anyone who focuses on only one factor, or ignores a factor or says "The New York Times doesn't rank #1 for news even though it has a lot of text" is missing the point. Would a site with no backlinks rank better with strong backlinks? Would a site with a few hundred words of lorem ipsum rank better with a significant amount of high quality keyword rich text? Can you target certain keywords effectively with one change or another in a way that turns a profit?

At the end of the day good SEO increases your traffic and revenue. Can you increase your traffic and convert it better by utilizing text in ways that most sites do not... absolutely yes as a proven fact. Do I do that for many clients on a daily basis... yes I do, over and over and over again. That's why I have a healthy list of long term clients and references from known people in the industry with strong brands.

Again I'm unclear what your problem is exactly. It seems you are someone who likes to poke at known brands because you have no brand to defend. Many of the other people on GFY do the same thing these days... which gets back to the original point of this thread. GFY has died because the board is now a community of people who like to attack each other. People always attacked each other here, but that wasn't the ONLY thing the board was about. Now it happens daily, to the point where useful people who have built brands or excelled in any area of this business are far less willing to post at all. Your contribution to that problem in this thread and simultaneous disagreement that the problem exists is ironic.

I'll keep making a good living building my own sites and enhancing the sites of my clients. You keep posting baseless attacks against people on GFY. That way we both get what we want out of life. :thumbsup

I modded a series of business threads. Each started with a paragraph explaining it was a moderated thread. There were a half-dozen or so. Any moderator requests or inquiries should be sent to Eric.

Refreshingly good stuff :thumbsup

Do you believe in web site heat maps crap?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...90/858/3c5.jpg

gfLikewise, 14 here. I can say what used to take two cups of coffee and the usual telling myself to sign off, recently, i'm half a cup in and done with the first page. No meat and potatoes, just a lot bicker and political bullshit makes the front page a fast read. Fuckin GFY :321GFY

Which one is Germany?

The salute does look like an erection! They have boners for Hitler, learn something new everyday :2 cents::1orglaugh

^ pro-jew

Seriously BW, I think you're torn and conflicted. Part of you wants to come over to our side, and as you've noticed yourself, there are gay figures within the Alt-Right. So you know already that we're not anti-gay.

Your posting style reminds me of myself when I was trying to cling on to various delusions, but at the same time could see them slipping away into the past. Let go, it will do you the world of good :thumbsup