True. We hear are discussing our own systems as well.

So who will pay, the young who never met the person?

So change the system.

So change the system you have to live under.

What is the alternative, the young pay more in taxes to subsidise the old?

Care to explain how I should go about doing that?

There is such a thing as hard luck in this world.

https://s18.postimg.org/lf4vtjrt5/yingyang-35px.pngthe ying and yang of life should be:

No one is left to die without dignity but everyone must pay their way if they can.


There should be some cost controls in health trauma, health rehabilitative circumstances or end of life situations. Cost controls in what ways needs to be looked into. In 1920 they might have just put you in the charity ward where there were 20 beds with people placed there -- that was acceptable back then ...

In a perfect world, it would be like schools, roads, fire, police, military, rescue, social security etc where everyone pays into it and everyone who needs it gets to use it. Just like universal health care in pretty much every other industrialized nation in the world.

All persons pay Medicare Taxes on "ordinary income earned". Capital gains are exempted.

However, https://www.thestreet.com/story/1170...e-earners.html

Unearned Income over $250K (modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) above $250,000(mainly from capital gains)) is subject to a 3.8% tax under the ACA (Obamacare)

So, if your MAGI is $750K Obamacare (ACA) costs you $19,000 in tax surcharges in that tax year. 500000*.038


That's what the repeal *Obamacare* is about to the top 1%. The rest is mainly bullshit diversions.

you guys should consider letting serbia or cuba run your healthcare...3rd world shit holes rank with your healthcare but are waaaay more efficient...americans cant healthcare...they just cant :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Actually if you listen to the right people it's about not forcing someone to buy something from a private corporation. As well as about those people like me who are small business owners that fall within that small gap that don't qualify for subsidies as well as not able afford the ridiculous cost of covering 3 people at inflated prices due to it. This being the first year of ACA in full effect I'm officially uninsured. In addition to that I received a notice from the IRS saying they were not processing my return because I didn't send in a form for ACA which I never actually was involved with. It's a big fucking mess for me that shouldn't even be. I basically have 2 options. Pay myself less money so I can qualify for subsidies which in turn screws me if I decide to do something like take out a mortgage loan or pay the fines and be uninsured.

ahhhh :O

@onwebcam you are being played as a peon by that guy that doesn't want to pay that 3.9% tax. This is the guy who the Congress cares about -- not you. Their *large political donors (and patrons)*

If you cannot afford insurance -- how will you pay for any *catastrophic* medical emergency you or your family may have? Unless you have $50K (really $250K) set aside to differ this expense, you need some form of insurance.

Don't get me wrong -- I understand you are between a rock and a hard place.

You should not have to pay more than 10% of your net business income or aggregate gross wage income for healthcare insurance. It's harder to calculate how employer paid healthcare insurance affects wages --but it does indeed lower wages-- as it is part of the cost of labor (benefits).

You should be able to buy a healthcare insurance policy with the deductible you want, including $10K, $20K, $50K.

It's not really fair for me to pay your medical expense, without healthcare insurance, if you cannot not pay, nor should you pay substantially more than you receive, to subsidize my higher medical costs pain in part with healthcare insurance.

However, what is happening with the Trump/Republican healthcare bill is: that all of us will end up paying for these Medicaid people that get cut off the ''program''.

Unless we refuse them service, when they show up at the hospital ER (in a desperate situation usually), every taxpayer will be getting the bill in one form or another -- including higher hospital prices to make up the losses. These people do not qualify for GA or AFDC (general assistance or aid for dependent families; AKA: Welfare) they get no Medicaid on that basis.

Collectively, we are all going to pay for their healthcare or watch them die in the streets. The heaviest cost burden will fall on the middle income earners -- that's what this dog fight is all about.

Firstly you don't pay enough in taxes.

In some countries, they do pay a lot more and get better public sector services.

Vote for people who will represent you and not people who represent the billionaires.

Then why are you voting for him?

The US has got the politicians it deserves because they vote for them.

Chumpanzees are short sighted simpletons like their cult leader chump.

Dentists are also popular. I went in Mexico and Colombia. Just look online at the reviews. I read some reviews where people in the USA had to pay 2500 USD for dental work that can be done for 300 euro like crowns.

Yep....I saw a lot of dentist offices down there as well. Doing dental implants for 1/4 the price of the U.S.
And they were U.S. dentists who live in San Diego for the most part.

I didn't personally vote for Trump or the Congressmen and Congresswomen that are supporting the current American Healthcare Act. I did vote for the ones that created the ACA (Obamacare) mess -- I have both benefited medically and suffered financially from that mess.

If you mean why the American people elected "them" the American people are not that smart I guess as a group.

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Under these circumstances you could eliminate Obamacare and have a chance of success.
Rich guy buys a Porsche or a Bentley he pays the VAT on it
If you trade $5 million a day and close your positions you pay the transfer tax
If the common man buys a new chair for his house he pays the VAT on it or buys a new toaster, iPhone ... etc

Benefit to the economy;
$700 - $800 Billion in canceled private payer insurance policies
Savings of $200 billion with a 10% decrease in one payer administrative costs with a forced gain of 15% in heathcare delivery efficiency.

If the government wants to give me a $300K grant, I can further research the numbers I used and make a nice white paper for them to read -- if not, those shitheads can figure this out themselves if they really want to.

The point is; they want to redistribute costs to those least able to afford them -- common and lesser citizens.

The best thing they could do at this point is make basic healthcare private payer insurance illegal -- but they don't have that power. One reason is because this healthcare private payer insurance system is regulated by the individual states. Notwithstanding Medicare payment allowances to providers.

Oddly enough, by allowing intrastate insurance competition -- the federal government can regulate insurance carriers in interstate commerce.

The low interest rates are having huge negative effect on the income of pensionners .

I invested 600K in real estate, because my return is about 12% ( not necessarely cash tough - paying capital )

If I left that money in secure investment , I would get about 8000.00 a year return ... hardly enough to live on.

10 years ago, that same 600K would bring back 40 to 45K yearly ....

So situation under Obama did get worse ( nothing related to him ) and now will gett way worse as the safdety net is removed by Trump .

PS: you will be old one day ....

In the last election, about 30% of the seats that were up for election had someone running uncontested. My congressman was one of those people. Of the bigger seats that were up for election including one Senate seat, there was no real choice. For Senate I could vote for the incumbent or I could choose to vote for his challenger who was also a lifelong politician.

You can only vote for the people who run for office. How am I supposed to vote for people who will represent me and not billionaires when there are none running?

Here in Czech private dental health care is very cheap.

You are the problem and the other 90 million.

If ?Did Not Vote? Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential Election, It Would Have Won By a Landslide. Yes you can make a difference.

And I suspect the US has worse figures for other elections.

So invest in land or gold, etc. There are many pension schemes that allow a broad range of investments.

No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

but you are honoring the one what is ECTREMLY the opposite of your own idea.

yes trump is an outsider - he is so outside that he will not even get a place in hell because he is too evil for the devil.
hitler was an outsider too.

the healthcare problem in us is that is was (is) allowed for young and healthy people not to pay in any insurance but call for the society when they get sick.
so the one and ONLY way to finance it is the same way EVERY insurance is financed - by the good luck of those who never get old and/or sick.

the arguments of those who speak against obamacare are the same as when someone does not want to pay car insurance because he did not have an accident yet.
that is bullshit from people who are fucking stupid and nothing else.

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

So much for democracy, gerrymandering strikes again.

"Political scientists say a major reason for the lack of choices is the way districts are drawn ? gerrymandered, in some cases, to ensure as many comfortable seats as possible for the majority party by creating other districts overwhelmingly packed with voters for the minority party."

"?In Georgia, just 31 of the 180 state House districts featured both Republican and Democratic candidates, a nation-high uncontested rate of 83 percent. Republicans hold almost two-thirds of the seats in the Georgia House of Representatives."

That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

That is what happened with my rep in the last election. He won by such a big margin in the previous election, the Republicans didn't even bother running someone against him because it would just be a waste of money.

Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself.

If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

Couldn't we just come up with an algorithm that drew voting districts so we could eliminate the human/political bias?

Fair to who?

Fair in the sense that they draw the boundaries based on population and not race, religion, political affiliation, income etc.

That would be too logical LOL
Maybe, the state assemblies should be more like parliaments you vote the party's ticket. All districts become at large on the state government level.

That would take a state constitutional convention with a 2/3 affirmation vote and a popular vote referendum on the result -- not going to happen.

Look how much the super rich will save with this Republican Healthcare 'tax cut' bill

Warren Buffet (who can buy and sell Trump on a bad day)

My point is to vote for the outsider to get rid of the two party system.

No major parties stood. So vote for an outsider. Don't vote for the incumbent whatever the alternative is.

The system needs an enormous kick up the ass.

Because American voters are blind.

Why only vote for Republican or Democrat?

Maybe you aren't understanding me. In many cases, there is only ONE person on the ballot. How do I vote for an outsider when there is one person to vote for?

Because the Republican and Democrat Party have rigged the system to work against anyone who isn't one of those two.

They make it extremely difficult to get on the ballot...almost impossible. And then in the Presidential election...they require them to get a certain percentage in their fake polls to be "eligible" to be in the Presidential debates.

Paul, your ideas are correct. But you just don't understand the corruption of the American political system.
Americans aren't "blind"...the 2 ruling party's (Republican and Democrat) have passed laws across this country to KEEP the power amongst themselves.

That's why Trump ran as a Republican. He's not "conservative" or Republican at all...hell, all the Republican's in the debates called him out on that.
But Trump is very smart. And he hijacked the Republican Party and used their own rules AGAINST them.
Brilliant!

If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a *rich guy* as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax" :2 cents:

The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act

You don't seem to understand US political system for as much as you rant about it.

Let me give you a easy example. We have state districts. You can only vote for or against someone who is running in your state district.

There are 435 members of the House they can all affect my life but I can only vote for 1 of them. Meaning there are 434 people in the House of Reps that can vote for laws that affect me but I have zero opportunity to vote for or against them.

That is why we can't vote them out of office. Add to this the issues of gerrymandering and many of these guys are impossible to remove short of shooting them...

Can't wait to see his taxes

Oh I thought you had a Democracy over there.I was wrong.

I do see independents running in the Presidential elections.

finally you got it :-)

and that´s the basic point what create all this problems including terrorism.

Don't hold your breath :1orglaugh

did you ever use your brain to think about WHY you have the highest healthcare costs (and had it already long before obama) ?

this is a result of a few failures in your system (this system you want to get back)

1. people in US are allowed NOT to be insured. that leads to the fact that they will not pay in any insurance - they will NOT go to a doctor and deseases are NOT mentioned soon enough to cure them.

2. that again leads into your very biggest problem named MEDICAID - because uninsured people what are getting sick, can´t work and spend all their money in other things as their health will need it and it cost a fortune.

3. MEDICAID is not since obama - it is a very old problem what became bigger and bigger because of this idiot system to allow people not to be insured.

4. your complete system is fucked because you can only vote for corrupt politicians (and now you hope the most corrupt will fix it). that makes healthcare for a BIG business and
the clever pharma industry found ways in the past that people do not die so fast on diseases. this ways keep them longer alive and longer sick.

5. I bet that 99% of republicans are financing their own life with shares of the pharma giants or are on their pay list. they will do a fuck to change that because it means that they lose money.

what you need is not another president (and the last thing is an idiot president like trump). no president can change anything because whatever he will do will be stopped by the congress or the senat and as soon he brings the citizens into their responsibility he will be stopped from them.

so see the truth: america is bankrupt already - more bankrupt as all the countries behind the iron curtain ever have been. it is just a question of time til this system need to be changed or you are bought by the chinese or indians.

it´s time for you to understand that the complete system has failed and have to be thrown to the garbitch.