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directfiesta 06-27-2017 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21852079)
"The 150 residents of Dogwood Village include former teachers, farmers, doctors, lawyers, stay-at-home parents and health aides ? a cross section of this rural county a half-hour northeast of Charlottesville. Many entered old age solidly middle class but turned to Medicaid, which was once thought of as a government program exclusively for the poor, after exhausting their insurance and assets."

So they lost their savings during the Obama period and now want the republicans to take care of them.

The low interest rates are having huge negative effect on the income of pensionners .

I invested 600K in real estate, because my return is about 12% ( not necessarely cash tough - paying capital )

If I left that money in secure investment , I would get about 8000.00 a year return ... hardly enough to live on.

10 years ago, that same 600K would bring back 40 to 45K yearly ....

So situation under Obama did get worse ( nothing related to him ) and now will gett way worse as the safdety net is removed by Trump .

PS: you will be old one day ....

kane 06-27-2017 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21856816)
Vote for people who will represent you and not people who represent the billionaires.

In the last election, about 30% of the seats that were up for election had someone running uncontested. My congressman was one of those people. Of the bigger seats that were up for election including one Senate seat, there was no real choice. For Senate I could vote for the incumbent or I could choose to vote for his challenger who was also a lifelong politician.

You can only vote for the people who run for office. How am I supposed to vote for people who will represent me and not billionaires when there are none running?

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21856900)
Dentists are also popular. I went in Mexico and Colombia. Just look online at the reviews. I read some reviews where people in the USA had to pay 2500 USD for dental work that can be done for 300 euro like crowns.

Here in Czech private dental health care is very cheap.

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21856960)
I didn't personally vote for Trump or the Congressmen and Congresswomen that are supporting the current American Healthcare Act. I did vote for the ones that created the ACA (Obamacare) mess -- I have both benefited medically and suffered financially from that mess.

If you mean why the American people elected "them" the American people are not that smart I guess as a group.

You are the problem and the other 90 million.

If ?Did Not Vote? Had Been A Candidate In The 2016 US Presidential Election, It Would Have Won By a Landslide. Yes you can make a difference.

And I suspect the US has worse figures for other elections.

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 21857032)
The low interest rates are having huge negative effect on the income of pensionners .

I invested 600K in real estate, because my return is about 12% ( not necessarely cash tough - paying capital )

If I left that money in secure investment , I would get about 8000.00 a year return ... hardly enough to live on.

10 years ago, that same 600K would bring back 40 to 45K yearly ....

So situation under Obama did get worse ( nothing related to him ) and now will gett way worse as the safdety net is removed by Trump .

PS: you will be old one day ....

So invest in land or gold, etc. There are many pension schemes that allow a broad range of investments.

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21857467)
In the last election, about 30% of the seats that were up for election had someone running uncontested. My congressman was one of those people. Of the bigger seats that were up for election including one Senate seat, there was no real choice. For Senate I could vote for the incumbent or I could choose to vote for his challenger who was also a lifelong politician.

You can only vote for the people who run for office. How am I supposed to vote for people who will represent me and not billionaires when there are none running?

No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

thommy 06-28-2017 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21858631)
No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

but you are honoring the one what is ECTREMLY the opposite of your own idea.

yes trump is an outsider - he is so outside that he will not even get a place in hell because he is too evil for the devil.
hitler was an outsider too.

the healthcare problem in us is that is was (is) allowed for young and healthy people not to pay in any insurance but call for the society when they get sick.
so the one and ONLY way to finance it is the same way EVERY insurance is financed - by the good luck of those who never get old and/or sick.

the arguments of those who speak against obamacare are the same as when someone does not want to pay car insurance because he did not have an accident yet.
that is bullshit from people who are fucking stupid and nothing else.

kane 06-28-2017 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21858631)
No one else stood to oppose him?

If so that's unusual. The thing is that things will change if you start to vote for the outsider.

That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

Bladewire 06-28-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21859726)
That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

So much for democracy, gerrymandering strikes again.

"Political scientists say a major reason for the lack of choices is the way districts are drawn ? gerrymandered, in some cases, to ensure as many comfortable seats as possible for the majority party by creating other districts overwhelmingly packed with voters for the minority party."

"?In Georgia, just 31 of the 180 state House districts featured both Republican and Democratic candidates, a nation-high uncontested rate of 83 percent. Republicans hold almost two-thirds of the seats in the Georgia House of Representatives."

Robbie 06-28-2017 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21859726)
That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

kane 06-28-2017 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21859882)
That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

That is what happened with my rep in the last election. He won by such a big margin in the previous election, the Republicans didn't even bother running someone against him because it would just be a waste of money.

Barry-xlovecam 06-28-2017 03:54 PM

Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself.

If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

kane 06-28-2017 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21859936)
Voting districts have been gerrymandered by the representatives the voters elect since this country was founded -- so what is the point? The people got what they voted for. Then it only got worse and perpetuated itself.

If you do not like the voting district you are in, realistically your only option is to move to a district more favorable to your expectations. Otherwise, you have set out on an uphill battle you may never win.

Couldn't we just come up with an algorithm that drew voting districts so we could eliminate the human/political bias?

Barry-xlovecam 06-28-2017 04:07 PM

Fair to who?

kane 06-28-2017 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21859978)
Fair to who?

Fair in the sense that they draw the boundaries based on population and not race, religion, political affiliation, income etc.

Barry-xlovecam 06-28-2017 06:10 PM

That would be too logical LOL
Maybe, the state assemblies should be more like parliaments you vote the party's ticket. All districts become at large on the state government level.

That would take a state constitutional convention with a 2/3 affirmation vote and a popular vote referendum on the result -- not going to happen.

Barry-xlovecam 06-28-2017 06:41 PM

Look how much the super rich will save with this Republican Healthcare 'tax cut' bill

Warren Buffet (who can buy and sell Trump on a bad day)


Paul Markham 06-28-2017 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21858655)
but you are honoring the one what is ECTREMLY the opposite of your own idea.

yes trump is an outsider - he is so outside that he will not even get a place in hell because he is too evil for the devil.
hitler was an outsider too.

the healthcare problem in us is that is was (is) allowed for young and healthy people not to pay in any insurance but call for the society when they get sick.
so the one and ONLY way to finance it is the same way EVERY insurance is financed - by the good luck of those who never get old and/or sick.

the arguments of those who speak against obamacare are the same as when someone does not want to pay car insurance because he did not have an accident yet.
that is bullshit from people who are fucking stupid and nothing else.

My point is to vote for the outsider to get rid of the two party system.

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21859726)
That's just the thing. It's not unusual at all. In the 2016 election, there were 30 different congressional reps and 1 Senator who ran unopposed.

Here the Denver Post talks about how across the nation 42% of all state House and Assembly seats only had one candidate. In the state of Georgia, 83% of the State House seats ran unopposed in the last election.

No major parties stood. So vote for an outsider. Don't vote for the incumbent whatever the alternative is.

The system needs an enormous kick up the ass.

Paul Markham 06-28-2017 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21859882)
That's because some places are so liberal (New York City...much of California) or conservative (Texas, etc.) that it's a waste of money for the opposing party to run a candidate.

Because American voters are blind.

Why only vote for Republican or Democrat?

kane 06-28-2017 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21860398)
No major parties stood. So vote for an outsider. Don't vote for the incumbent whatever the alternative is.

The system needs an enormous kick up the ass.

Maybe you aren't understanding me. In many cases, there is only ONE person on the ballot. How do I vote for an outsider when there is one person to vote for?

Robbie 06-29-2017 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21860401)
Because American voters are blind.

Why only vote for Republican or Democrat?

Because the Republican and Democrat Party have rigged the system to work against anyone who isn't one of those two.

They make it extremely difficult to get on the ballot...almost impossible. And then in the Presidential election...they require them to get a certain percentage in their fake polls to be "eligible" to be in the Presidential debates.

Paul, your ideas are correct. But you just don't understand the corruption of the American political system.
Americans aren't "blind"...the 2 ruling party's (Republican and Democrat) have passed laws across this country to KEEP the power amongst themselves.

That's why Trump ran as a Republican. He's not "conservative" or Republican at all...hell, all the Republican's in the debates called him out on that.
But Trump is very smart. And he hijacked the Republican Party and used their own rules AGAINST them.
Brilliant!

Barry-xlovecam 06-29-2017 06:24 AM

If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a *rich guy* as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax" :2 cents:

The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act

crockett 06-29-2017 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21856825)
Then why are you voting for him?

The US has got the politicians it deserves because they vote for them.

You don't seem to understand US political system for as much as you rant about it.

Let me give you a easy example. We have state districts. You can only vote for or against someone who is running in your state district.

There are 435 members of the House they can all affect my life but I can only vote for 1 of them. Meaning there are 434 people in the House of Reps that can vote for laws that affect me but I have zero opportunity to vote for or against them.

That is why we can't vote them out of office. Add to this the issues of gerrymandering and many of these guys are impossible to remove short of shooting them...

Bladewire 06-30-2017 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21860821)
If Trump (the Orange Messiah) is such a *rich guy* as he claims: If Trump made $100.25 million in 2016, he owes $3.8 million in "obamacare tax" :2 cents:

The Obamacare Tax Cut for Rich Guys Act

Can't wait to see his taxes

Paul Markham 06-30-2017 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21860419)
Maybe you aren't understanding me. In many cases, there is only ONE person on the ballot. How do I vote for an outsider when there is one person to vote for?

Oh I thought you had a Democracy over there.I was wrong.

Paul Markham 06-30-2017 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21860488)
Because the Republican and Democrat Party have rigged the system to work against anyone who isn't one of those two.

They make it extremely difficult to get on the ballot...almost impossible. And then in the Presidential election...they require them to get a certain percentage in their fake polls to be "eligible" to be in the Presidential debates.

Paul, your ideas are correct. But you just don't understand the corruption of the American political system.
Americans aren't "blind"...the 2 ruling party's (Republican and Democrat) have passed laws across this country to KEEP the power amongst themselves.

That's why Trump ran as a Republican. He's not "conservative" or Republican at all...hell, all the Republican's in the debates called him out on that.
But Trump is very smart. And he hijacked the Republican Party and used their own rules AGAINST them.
Brilliant!

I do see independents running in the Presidential elections.

thommy 07-01-2017 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21864238)
Oh I thought you had a Democracy over there.I was wrong.

finally you got it :-)

and thatīs the basic point what create all this problems including terrorism.

Busty2 07-01-2017 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21863368)
Can't wait to see his taxes

Don't hold your breath :1orglaugh

thommy 07-01-2017 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 21853039)
You're leaving out something. The Federal Govt. heavily REGULATES the health care system in the U.S., and has been doing so since long before ObamaCare.

And it's the Federal Govt. which set the rules allowing Big Pharma, hospitals, Big Insurance, etc. to price gouge the U.S.

You really had to live here to have seen it happen.
The Feds went so far as to stop people from crossing the Canadian border to get life-saving drugs that they could not afford to buy here in the U.S. and pressured the Canadian govt. to check ID and NOT sell to US citizens.

And that happened back in the 1980's after HMO's went into effect.

No...the healthcare industry, big pharma, and big insurance have lobbyists that spend so much money in Washington D.C. that getting the price gouging to stop wasn't going to happen.

With govt. involved it destroyed the market. The lobbyists made sure of that. They didn't want a competitive field.

They had Congress set up the regulations so it benefitted them.
That's the way our corrupt govt. works.

Before govt. got involved here in the U.S., we used to pay our medical expenses out of pocket. It wasn't expensive at all.
The only thing you needed was "catastrophic insurance". In case you were in a car wreck or had a heart attack, etc.

Trying to compare us to European countries that are much smaller and have a tiny economy compared to the United States...just doesn't work. Especially when the U.S. has spent so much money in Europe post-WW2 helping all those country's regain their footing in the first place.

did you ever use your brain to think about WHY you have the highest healthcare costs (and had it already long before obama) ?

this is a result of a few failures in your system (this system you want to get back)

1. people in US are allowed NOT to be insured. that leads to the fact that they will not pay in any insurance - they will NOT go to a doctor and deseases are NOT mentioned soon enough to cure them.

2. that again leads into your very biggest problem named MEDICAID - because uninsured people what are getting sick, canīt work and spend all their money in other things as their health will need it and it cost a fortune.

3. MEDICAID is not since obama - it is a very old problem what became bigger and bigger because of this idiot system to allow people not to be insured.

4. your complete system is fucked because you can only vote for corrupt politicians (and now you hope the most corrupt will fix it). that makes healthcare for a BIG business and
the clever pharma industry found ways in the past that people do not die so fast on diseases. this ways keep them longer alive and longer sick.

5. I bet that 99% of republicans are financing their own life with shares of the pharma giants or are on their pay list. they will do a fuck to change that because it means that they lose money.

what you need is not another president (and the last thing is an idiot president like trump). no president can change anything because whatever he will do will be stopped by the congress or the senat and as soon he brings the citizens into their responsibility he will be stopped from them.

so see the truth: america is bankrupt already - more bankrupt as all the countries behind the iron curtain ever have been. it is just a question of time til this system need to be changed or you are bought by the chinese or indians.

itīs time for you to understand that the complete system has failed and have to be thrown to the garbitch.

Barry-xlovecam 07-01-2017 07:41 AM

Radically changing the system will never cure this immediate problem of healthcare accessibility to all citizens in the USA.

Why? The current system will not be overturned without a violent revolution lasting many years -- during which -- there will be no healthcare services and millions will die.

The USA would become Syria x 20 fold -- I bet healthcare in Syria sucks right now -- they bomb the hospitals there still trying to operate facilities. :helpme

The Trumplicans are just shooting themselves in the foot politically and creating a campaign issue to defeat themselves. That is the only good that is in this -- a reason to agree on a national healthcare and health maintenance law. The health insurance corporations are really dinosaurs -- breathing their last breaths.

Hundreds of thousands of US citizens will suffer and some will die if this BUDGET RECONCILIATION AND THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT is passed and signed into law.

Look what the acronym the CBO is using, BRCA meaning in use is, someone has a very 'sick' sense of humor;
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A BRCA mutation is a mutation in either of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes, which are tumour suppressor genes. Hundreds of different types of mutations in these genes have been identified, some of which have been determined to be harmful, while others have no proven impact.

thommy 07-01-2017 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21864700)
Radically changing the system will never cure this immediate problem of healthcare accessibility to all citizens in the USA.

Why? The current system will not be overturned without a violent revolution lasting many years -- during which -- there will be no healthcare services and millions will die.

The USA would become Syria x 20 fold -- I bet healthcare in Syria sucks right now -- they bomb the hospitals there still trying to operate facilities. :helpme

The Trumplicans are just shooting themselves in the foot politically and creating a campaign issue to defeat themselves. That is the only good that is in this -- a reason to agree on a national healthcare and health maintenance law. The health insurance corporations are really dinosaurs -- breathing their last breaths.

Hundreds of thousands of US citizens will suffer and some will die if this BUDGET RECONCILIATION AND THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT is passed and signed into law.

Look what the acronym the CBO is using, BRCA meaning in use is, someone has a very 'sick' sense of humor;

i fully understand your point but be honest - HOW LONG can that go on like this?

this violent revolution WILL come sooner or later and it will not kill less people.

americans getting brainwashed since centuries with their so called freedom. it is time that someone tell them that it is not freedom when you can choose between worse and worst.

people are forced into 2 possible ideologies with nothing in between. america should stop to try teaching the world but learning from it.


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