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MaDalton 07-03-2017 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21868672)
It is only justification political repression. Blaming Putin and do what want.
Merkel before own election even ban freedom speech in Germany. Apply censorship, ministry of truth soon will established))

i really really have a hard time deciphering what you are saying...

pimpmaster9000 07-03-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by spads (Post 21868378)
Aside from drinking in public I'm having a hard time figuring out what freedoms you're referring to. Germany is the country where you're fined for not recycling. US has more freedom when it comes to marijuana use. The US also has much better gun rights. Driving licenses in the US cost $60 at most and are easy to get versus the $1000-1500 it costs in Germany.

well you do have one quarter of the worlds prison population...per 100.000 people you out-incarcerate north korea :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh even with their "whole family and grandchildren and their children" policy they can not fill prisons like the USA...oh and in the USA the sheriff can fine you if you do not mow your own lawn...WTF?...healthcare? LOL free is not the word that comes to mind :1orglaugh:1orglaugh student debt in germany: 2 schnitzels....student debt in the USA 1.2 trillion$...US politics? 1 party more than a dictatorship LOL...military? global racket paid out of your own pockets...

europe is free...the USA is not...

Sarn 07-03-2017 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21868675)
i really really have a hard time deciphering what you are saying...

Macron's repression against Le Pen can't have justification, as pre election Merkel's censorship too.
Even if to blame Putin on that
Populism with little political parties absolutely not linked with democracy.
https://ria.ru/world/20170614/1496439046.html

MaDalton 07-03-2017 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21868699)
Macron's repression against Le Pen can't have justification, as pre election Merkel's censorship too.
Even if to blame Putin on that
Populism with little political parties absolutely not linked with democracy.
https://ria.ru/world/20170614/1496439046.html

sorry, not helping

Sarn 07-03-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21868729)
sorry, not helping

Yes Putin finances Le Pen :1orglaugh

MaDalton 07-03-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21868738)
Yes Putin finances Le Pen :1orglaugh

you got that correct

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James Clapper, the then director of national intelligence, wrote in a letter dated 28 November that the Front National ?publicly acknowledged that it had received a $9.8m loan from a Russian bank with links to the Kremlin, allegedly brokered by a sanctioned Russian Duma deputy, according to French press reports?.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-pen-in-moscow

Sarn 07-03-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21868855)

it Putin's trolling - this meeting). Nothing bad with credit for Le Pen, i am not see, it legal action and information about this is opened.

Macron not have big difference with Trump, maybe only other terminology on his speech.

Macron, Standing Alongside Putin, Says Russian Media Spread 'Falsehoods'(fakenewsss!!:1orglaugh)
The French president accused Russia Today and Sputnik of being ?agents of influence.?
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...luence/528480/

MaDalton 07-04-2017 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21869011)
The French president accused Russia Today and Sputnik of being ?agents of influence.?
https://www.theatlantic.com/news/arc...luence/528480/

and you will tell me now they are not?

Barry-xlovecam 07-04-2017 05:50 AM

Thanks Trump ... (he is not the only one to blame however)

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[Y]et three visits to Germany by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang to date, the latest just last month, suggest the two nations are aligned on stepping more broadly into a space that the U.S. has, at least temporarily, left vacant under Trump’s presidency.

“China and Germany’s new closeness is something that happened because of the Trump episode,” said Diego Ramiro Guelar, ambassador to Beijing for G-20 member Argentina. “The two most important leaders in the world are President Xi and Chancellor Merkel at the moment.”

Panda Diplomacy

Ties between China and Germany have been strengthening for years, driven by common economic interests and unobstructed by the kinds of geopolitical rivalries that were complicating relations between Beijing and Washington long before Trump’s election. Germany needs markets for its high-end industrial machinery and motor vehicles, and China wants them -- so much so it bought German robotics company Kuka AG. ...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ermany-step-up

Previously, I always scoffed off the decline and fall of the US American *empire*. Seems that the *America First* policy is a fail very 'BIGLY'.

Happy Birthday USA! 4, July 2017

wehateporn 07-04-2017 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21869458)
Thanks Trump ... (he is not the only one to blame however)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ermany-step-up

Previously, I always scoffed off the decline and fall of the US American *empire*. Seems that the *America First* policy is a fail very 'BIGLY'.

Now that US is temporarily under Zionist control, the Globalists are using other powerful Globalist-controlled nations to push and steer the Globalist agendas :2 cents:

Barry-xlovecam 07-04-2017 06:03 AM

50 red-hats *winning*

I wonder if he thinks he is on a mission for god now :1orglaugh

https://s15.postimg.org/ru8vi4ruz/3260887613.jpg

beerptrol 07-04-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21869470)
50 red-hats *winning*

I wonder if he thinks he is on a mission for god now :1orglaugh

https://s15.postimg.org/ru8vi4ruz/3260887613.jpg

Look like he's anal fisting Alex Jones

Tasty1 07-04-2017 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21869458)
Thanks Trump ... (he is not the only one to blame however)


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ermany-step-up

Previously, I always scoffed off the decline and fall of the US American *empire*. Seems that the *America First* policy is a fail very 'BIGLY'.

Happy Birthday USA! 4, July 2017

Well, than Germany has to pay China's bill.
Merkel must love the Chinese democracy.

Sarn 07-04-2017 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21869395)
and you will tell me now they are not?

I am don't think RT pretends being Ministry of Truth

Paul Markham 07-04-2017 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21867706)
the point is that freedom of speech ends at the point where it influences other peoples freedom.

public calls to crimes or racism are illegal in germany - many of the things you guys write here would bring you to jail in germany - that would maybe help some of this haters to think about consequences BEFORE they are really kill someone.

US jails are FULL with people what have started their criminal career with just words.
people like oppoteen i.e. would never see the sun again in germany.

When is quoting the truth treated as racism?

Paul Markham 07-04-2017 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21867835)
and thatīs exactly the reason for this law because internet can not be a playfield for psychos and haters.
it can not be left uncontrolled because we all see where that leads to.

and no american shall tell me that we have a lost of freedom.
i prefer to be stopped by a german police officer as by an american. when i go though german security and i donīt like it i CAN complain it - you guys can not because you will end up a night in jail.

before we talk about freedom we should talk about UNDERSTANDING that freedom have a limit.

You just issued a racist statement.

Paul Markham 07-04-2017 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21867925)

Has she betrayed her Nation is allowing in millions of non-Germans?

Paul Markham 07-04-2017 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hjnet (Post 21867949)
The only question here that really matters is -> Who decides what's "hate speech"?

Is it an official court that makes it's decision based on the actual law? Or is it i.e. Facebook?

If it's not an official institution than it opens the gates for censorship, everything that's not mainstream could be "hatespeech" or "fake news"...

This is the test. Will it need a court order to remove something from Facebook? Or just a few complaints?

It could clog up the courts for years.

Paul Markham 07-04-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21868294)
well that law can not tell facebook how they can act but if there is any content what is not allowed it is an official institution to ask them to take it down.
actually that institution was existing before but they had no power to force them to take it down.

Does that law include news?

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21868447)
No, I didn't get into the latest Macron proposals.
Multi party proposals will not work in the USA unless there are candidates in the Congressional races.

Why won't multi-party proposals work in America?

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21868627)
you mean Ms. Le Pen that got money borrowed by Putin?

I'm sure he's still pissed his plan for France didn't work out :1orglaugh

The appeal of the Far Right is because of the way the other parties have treated the Working Classes of their own country.

In their desire to drive down living standards, wages and drive up unemployment they have allowed millions of low skilled migrants into their countries. The only party that says this is wrong is the Far Right.

oppoten 07-05-2017 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 21867202)
hate speech.

?fake news.?

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21867925)

........

pimpmaster9000 07-05-2017 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21870751)
The appeal of the Far Right is because of the way the other parties have treated the Working Classes of their own country.

In their desire to drive down living standards, wages and drive up unemployment they have allowed millions of low skilled migrants into their countries. The only party that says this is wrong is the Far Right.

Says Paul the low skilled migrant who paid models up to one dozen euros...

NewNick 07-05-2017 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21870814)
Says Paul the low skilled migrant who paid models up to one dozen euros...

Indeed.

The hypocrisy is quite breathtaking.

But then the reality of Paul's actual life has never stopped him telling everyone else where they are going wrong.

World leaders, successful businessmen, Paul does not discriminate, if only they would listen
to his ramblings.....

MaDalton 07-05-2017 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21870730)
Has she betrayed her Nation is allowing in millions of non-Germans?

no one of you "migration specialists" has so far presented an alternative solution to what happened back then. What would you have done, Paul? rounded them all up and shot them at the side of the road? Please Paul, once for all, instead of parroting right wing propaganda bullshit, make a sensible suggestion what the alternative could have been.

thommy 07-05-2017 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21870907)
no one of you "migration specialists" has so far presented an alternative solution to what happened back then. What would you have done, Paul? rounded them all up and shot them at the side of the road? Please Paul, once for all, instead of parroting right wing propaganda bullshit, make a sensible suggestion what the alternative could have been.

EXACTLY - and instead forcing europe in increasing the defense budget they should also think a bit HOW MUCH MONEY europe pays every year in human aid.

up to here US was only inspiring more wars more refugees while europe pays a fortune that these people have a life where they life.

right wingers force this people to leave their countries with their fucking war decisions and after that they blame them because they run away from their countries.

THIS is the mother of all problems we have but they do not want to see that.

pimpmaster9000 07-05-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21871063)
EXACTLY - and instead forcing europe in increasing the defense budget they should also think a bit HOW MUCH MONEY europe pays every year in human aid.

up to here US was only inspiring more wars more refugees while europe pays a fortune that these people have a life where they life.

right wingers force this people to leave their countries with their fucking war decisions and after that they blame them because they run away from their countries.

THIS is the mother of all problems we have but they do not want to see that.

it is only a matter of time before the EU unites against the USA for this "proxy fucking" that it is getting from US foreign policy...the USA starts wars on our side of the pond and expects us to clean up its shit and contribute to buying more weapons and conflicts...at the same time the USA imposes a travel ban on all its invaded countries :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh....china and russia have never been closer to the EU than they are now, trump is a god send for europe simply because he is such an obvious idiot...

NewNick 07-05-2017 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21871063)
EXACTLY - and instead forcing europe in increasing the defense budget they should also think a bit HOW MUCH MONEY europe pays every year in human aid.

up to here US was only inspiring more wars more refugees while europe pays a fortune that these people have a life where they life.

right wingers force this people to leave their countries with their fucking war decisions and after that they blame them because they run away from their countries.

THIS is the mother of all problems we have but they do not want to see that.

Dont worry Markham has the answers.

He knows a lot about migration.

Dont you Paul.


:1orglaugh

MaDalton 07-05-2017 06:25 AM

btw - i have made my point on here several times - which was that we (the west) should have kept our promises in regards to properly funding UNHCR so that all refugees could have stayed in the countries surrounding Syria.

But no, we dodged paying up to the point where no proper care was possible and people started fleeing from those camps as well - and ended up on our doorstep.

In short: we (the west) first profit from selling weapons, then bomb the shit out of those people, then give a shit what happens when the population flees and then complain when they ask for help.

and then some of you come to GFY from the safety of your homes between burgers and beer and shittalk those that actually show at least a little compassion.

congrats.

Barry-xlovecam 07-05-2017 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21871105)
btw - i have made my point on here several times - which was that we (the west) should have kept our promises in regards to properly funding UNHCR so that all refugees could have stayed in the countries surrounding Syria. ...

Then the same element of the public would have screamed -- you are sending our tax dollars to the muzzies!

They are malcontents -- losers in life.
No matter what you do they will advocate against it.

They are obtuse personalities. << look up the word :)

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21870862)
Indeed.

The hypocrisy is quite breathtaking.

But then the reality of Paul's actual life has never stopped him telling everyone else where they are going wrong.

World leaders, successful businessmen, Paul does not discriminate, if only they would listen
to his ramblings.....

But. I brought jobs to the Czech Republic.

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21870907)
no one of you "migration specialists" has so far presented an alternative solution to what happened back then. What would you have done, Paul? rounded them all up and shot them at the side of the road? Please Paul, once for all, instead of parroting right wing propaganda bullshit, make a sensible suggestion what the alternative could have been.

What should have been done was left them in their own country. At the worse given them aid to erect refugee camps inside Muslim lands.

But as you point out, nothing has been done and they keep coming. Even from countries where there is no fighting.

The last thing I would do is round them up and shoot them. What was it you said in the other thread, a reasoned debate. When will you start one?

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21871063)
EXACTLY - and instead forcing europe in increasing the defense budget they should also think a bit HOW MUCH MONEY europe pays every year in human aid.

up to here US was only inspiring more wars more refugees while europe pays a fortune that these people have a life where they life.

right wingers force this people to leave their countries with their fucking war decisions and after that they blame them because they run away from their countries.

THIS is the mother of all problems we have but they do not want to see that.

I agree this is now the mother of all problems, now the migrants are in Europe. Not that they're any problem here. They don't stay here when given houses, the benefits system isn't good enough.

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 21871084)
Dont worry Markham has the answers.

He knows a lot about migration.

Dont you Paul.


:1orglaugh

Yes I do. Migration is a privilege, not a right for anyone to use.

Bladewire 07-05-2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871522)
Yes I do. Migration is a privilege, not a right for anyone to use.

You think refugees & immigrants are the same?

Refugees have rights, by international law, they are not immigrants with a "priveledge" you dope :1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 07-05-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871504)
What should have been done was left them in their own country. At the worse given them aid to erect refugee camps inside Muslim lands.

yes yes they will stay in tent cities in the desert for decades upon decades while USIS bombs the crap out of their country...LOL Paul you are really delusional if you think for one second anybody would even consider living in a tent city because the bomb dropping west finds this convenient :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 09:02 AM

A lot of these are Muslim men, who have left their wives and children behind. Some of them are African, Iranians, Pakistani, Afghans, etc.

There's now a rape crisis in the UK of Muslim Pakistani and Afghan men raping children. Underage girls were plied with alcohol and drugs in exchange for sex. The convictions have barely scratched the surface of the crimes.

But that's not the worse.

The worse is the authorities took 8 yeas or more to acknowledge the abuse. This was after some authorities had reported it. They had hidden the truth in order to not upset the Muslim community. Allowing young vulnerable girls to be raped.

Bladewire 07-05-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871492)
But. I brought jobs to the Czech Republic.

No.

You took the job of a Czech photographer.

You took a Czech woman (your wife) from a Czech man.

Every meal you eat is off the back of the Czech people.

You don't provide jobs in Czech you're retired.

MaDalton 07-05-2017 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871504)
What should have been done was left them in their own country. At the worse given them aid to erect refugee camps inside Muslim lands.

money was promised but not given - you cannot "leave" them somewhere where they get either bombed or starved, people will move, it's human nature

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871504)
But as you point out, nothing has been done and they keep coming. Even from countries where there is no fighting.

once again - there may be no fighting in Jordan for example, but people starve in tents because no help is given. So they flee from there as well.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21871504)
The last thing I would do is round them up and shoot them. What was it you said in the other thread, a reasoned debate. When will you start one?

as soon as you face reality and provide a reasonable answer to my question - which you dodged once again.

So once again - after the west has failed to help war refugees in the area where they came from and they went on their way to out doorstep - what would you have done if you would have been in Merkels position.

You are quick to call her a traitor - but what would YOU have done in her position.

Paul Markham 07-05-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21871156)
Then the same element of the public would have screamed -- you are sending our tax dollars to the muzzies!

They are malcontents -- losers in life.
No matter what you do they will advocate against it.

They are obtuse personalities. << look up the word :)

Would you pay more taxes to support the growing number of unemployed or low paid Americans?


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