And once again Trump lied and people just believed it.

Figures from China's Ministry of Commerce show that bilateral trade with North Korea was up 37.4% in the first three months of 2017, compared with the same period a year earlier.

China hits back on Trump N Korea trade claim - BBC News

So trade between NK and China went up 40% under Trump....

And yeah those fucking Chinese, the master plan was to starve North Korea, there should be millions of them dying thru lack of food and healthcare and there's only tens of thousands of them dying due to sanctions. What choice to the good Christian loving people of the world have but to bomb the shit out of them when this happens?

BTW Putin and Xi want to know if its ok if they start doing some nuclear drills and live firing war games 12 miles off the coast of NYC for a while, not to provoke you or anything.. just to be prepared like.

Trump is doing shit.

NK has threatened the West it does so nearly every day. So what should Trump do, nothing like Obama and see there military power grow? NK has been building up its military capabilities for more than 20 years. So don't blame Trump.

Because NK sells military weapons to people who will use them.

This has been going on for 20 years. Trump has been in power 7 months.

NK will not join the rest of us. Not until the North Koreans rise up and overthrow the leadership. This is about keeping the status quo in power.

Until the US and the EU are prepared to bring trade sanctions against China there will be no solution to the NK problem.

2.6% small error, here he really not lie, or?

The NK government is fuckin nuts. If they continue on the path they are going they will eventually be destroyed.

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Can you be specific on the actual threat ....

100% Correct.


Unfortunately

Every time the ruling regime threaten to bomb the West.

While we allow the top 1% to rule us that will never happen. The protests at the G20 are going to continue so long as we keep building up Third World Nations.

While I have not followed the German protests in the past G20 protesting is about Globalization and large international companies raping money from poor nations back to their own rich pockets. Its ALL about building up Third world nations, letting them keep their own wealth and the even distribution of that wealth.

Every G20 brings such protests. Germans are just good at protesting, however this time the message got mixed I presume. English are very good at protesting to, just wait until Trump visits.

until the EU and china and russia bring trade sanctions against USIS there will be no peace in the world...


bring what ever government you want to power, "paul markham-ing" will never be solved....the western man does not want to employ western people (paul markham) and the western man does not want to buy western goods (paul markham)...the western man just wants to blame the 3rd world man for this because it suits him after centuries of exploiting and robbing and invading the 3rd world...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d39_story.html

The secret to Kim?s success? Some experts see Russian echoes in North Korea?s missile advances

The embers of the Cold War are glowing -- the fires restarting.

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Earlier in the year USA military reported and showed pictures of NK parading "fake" bombs.
Then they said they have them, but they were no good.
Then they say they have them but they will never reach us.
Now they say they have but he USA has no idea where they are and must be removed at all costs because they can hit USA soil.

so- Just conclude the military have no fucking idea and NK surly has numerous missiles that are nuclear capable ready to send.

--In every test against a random target, not a predefined positioned one.. THAAD has had a success rate of about 40%

--Because of sanctions NK have a some what limited military intelligence capability, they may have the weapons but they surly do not have the advanced radar or satellite capabilities of other nations.
--Fake news, that's United States Military and Government, tell us NK and Kim is a hot head with his finger on the trigger.
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Then let the actions of the past few days sink in.

You have a nutter in one country with nukes pointed at your country whose stated he's willing to use them, The USA has been buzzing that country with near military drills, using b52 bombers in an attack format, that NK would of had no idea if it was an actually attack or not, and the USA has done this twice now.

Surly they were expecting NK to of thrown a Nuke or several at the USA by now..

Americans, your lives are being used in a chess match, that is solely based on North Korea not reacting to these provocations. The only reason you are now not in Nuclear war.. is North Koreas VERY good judgement.


Trump and the Military do not give two fucks about you... better wake up to that one real fast.

OR.....

We can just ignore them and no one has to die.

I'm sorry, I am a former United States Marine and I get a full woody when our military goes out to play, but going to war is not something we do because someone threatened us. We should ONLY go to war when the United States is directly threatened or attacked.

We don't send thousands of Americans to die because the leader of NK is beating his fists on his chest.

This is why we are where we are at with North Korea. We have two options...
1) Go to war
2) Do nothing

The end result is pretty much the same - the United States is still standing - but with option number one tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Americans will die.

Russian say TODDI

https://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-ukraine...v-iz-kndr.html
https://translate.google.com/transla...url&authuser=0

The Ukrainians were part of the Soviet nuclear program ... Russia took that over from the USSR -- so what is the point?

There is not a need for that many Americans to die if the the conflict were to be conducted properly, which would mean the politicians keeping there hands off, but since they will not you could be correct. There would be millions of Koreans die for sure.

I have my own ideas about what I would do if I were to be in charge of the conflict but will not state them because I will not be in charge so anything I have to say one way or another is not of any importance.

All native Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. So course they were a part of the Russian Empire and of the USSR. They were involved into anything, including Soviet space and nuclear programs.

Russia did not just took over the Soviet nuclear program, it took over the whole Soviet legacy as well. Maybe you don't know what happened to Soviet Union in 1991, so I'll refresh it for your. The country was a bankrupt with negative budget and an enormous external debt. Nobody wanted to pay it... except Russia. It was the only post-USSR country which has agreed to pay out all the debt for itself, for the Ukraine, for Belorussia, for Georgia, for Latvia, for Armenia for Kazakhstan and for every single former Soviet republic which became an independent country. Russia has paid all the Soviet debts in full, and yes it took over the Soviet nuclear arsenal... with help of the Unites States BTW. The one who is ready to pay the commie debts is taking its shit too.

Furthermore. Russia is paying money for use of its own gas pipelines on the Ukraine and in Belorussia. It's paying for renting of it's own space port in Kazakhstan. It was even paying for renting of its own naval bases in Crimea 'till it was annexed etc. Did you know that?

This will not be similar to US vs Iraq. The moment war breaks out North Korea sends it's troops flying over the Korean Demilitarized Zone, and straight for all of the US troop stationed there. North Korea has been planning for this for decades. The United States will rush in as many troops as it can to stabilize the situation - tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. This is pretty much the exact scenario that took place in 1950. There is no doubt in my mind we would be victorious, but why risk tens of thousands or hundred of thousands of American lives if we do not have to? Not to mention how many South Koreans would die.

The only time the United States should use military force is when we have absolutely have to - meaning only when we are attacked directly, or when an ally of ours has been attacked.

We're the enforcer of NATO so we goto war if Japan or South Korea gets nuked, bombed, etc. Right?

In ukraine was maked soviet intercontinental missiles НАТО- SS-18 SATAN.
By my link NK spies was captured when they want to steal such missaile technologies in 2012 year in Ukraine. Maybe them stole such technologies before.
Thats why "Some experts see Russian echoes in North Korea’s missile advances"
Because this Kim's missile threat us more than USA, we not gives them it technologies.

Russian no mia culpa :laughing-

Actually, I was living with a Russian immigrant girl and her daughter when the USSR changed ownership -- we watched it on TV and she was rather worried about her parents that were still in Moscow.

Ukrainians were citizens of the USSR and many ethnic Russians lived in Ukraine. I don't know who sold the DPRK (North Korea) missile technology Ukrainians or Russians living in Ukraine.

Putin will do nothing about the North Korean nuclear problem on his doorstep neither will the Chinese. China and Russia are upwind of North Korea if you get my drift ...

Neutron bombs, mounted on tactical nuclear missiles, have a less than 250 miles radius of radiation -- I would keep that in mind. Some artillery fired nuclear munitions have very small radiation radius. If Kim calls Trump an old fat man with a little cock Trump might get pissed and start the LAST war over the North Korean fat-boy's big mouth and belligerent attitude. That will not be good for anyone.

Actually North Korea could expect a EMP attack at any time. Then a few days of shock and awe. Ironically, some of their ancient military equipment might survive EMP -- but half of their country would be disabled. Is North Korea worth dying over? North Korea's obstinate ways may get a lot of people killed. If North Korea was threatening to nuke Beijing or Moscow -- what would you do?

What Russians have to say "mia culpa" for? We did not use nukes against civilian people. The US barbarians did it. Do you feel sorry for your war crimes? I don't think so.

Nuclear war is no problem -- unless you are one of the survivors ...

The USA can not beat Asians at war anyway...Asians know this...all miserable losses for the USA invading Asian farmers...the guys with the least testosterone and sticks won...ROR!

who had post #71?

I wonder how Japan feels about this.

He's talking about Korea and Vietnam. Japan was defeated by the international forces. By American and Soviet troops.

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We have American Asians now that are faster, tinier, and more nimble than any other Asians on the planet.

So you are a "give the first punch to your opponent" guy and I am not, so we are at a stalemate.

I do not want to allow NK to come over the Demilitarized Zone at their will in the force of their choosing or using the thousands of Artillery pieces and Rockets at their free will and in the amount of their choosing against the city of Seoul. I do not want to allow them to launch whatever nukes, or Missiles at their free will and in whatever amount they choose to.

I think that policy is the height of stupidity Marine.

I would want to destroy as much as their military capability as I possibly could. I would also simultaneously like to remove as much of their control and command as I possibly could.

BTW, I happen to know that is what our general plan is. You said NK has been planning for this for decades. We too have prepared for the engagement with NK ever since the cease fire. Every year we have practiced joint operations in the area, and since the age of computers we have practiced cyber war games with NK. We adjust our plans for engagement every year as needed.

We also have plans for nuclear strikes if it is deemed necessary. We will use mini nukes and relatively clean nukes, tactically, if this becomes necessary and in all probability it will become necessary, but maybe not.

I know all of this because it used to be in my area of expertise when I was in the military and it is all public knowledge anyhow if you do proper research.

Nonsense.

You can't "raping money from poor nations back to their own rich pockets" poor countries don't have any money. That's why they are poor. Globalisation is about raping the West of jobs and wealth and giving it to the pockets of the large companies.

The last thing those people want is more of their jobs to go to the Third World.

The only reason America wants to stop NK getting more powerful is that they are a rogue state.

How did that policy work with Hitler?

Tell me about these great natural resources the UK has Paul
Cos you don't have fuck all do you, so where does it all come from?
Oh that's right raping and pillaging other countries.

Wouldn't it be "nice" if the UK returned some of the trillions they ripped out of Africa? But that's not going to happen, because its lining some corporation's pocket.

Just one of the many reasons there's always protesting at g20 meetings. you know those events where 20 people decide the fate of millions, all behind closed doors.

Right here is one of the big ones this year

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/07/w...al-treaty.html

But of course no one from the G20 was there were they, that make some people upset.. so they protest.

So how long does the West wait before NK builds and uses or sells its weapons of WMD?

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We will doind dialoge with Kim like with Trump :1orglaugh

india before UK invasion = 25% of the worlds GDP
india after UK invasion = 2% of the worlds GDP

I think paul is right...but I think this after banging my head on the wall like 100 times really really hard :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pauls selective memory is one of the world wonders :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

what WMD ? Nukes ?

No country has sold Nukes to other countries as far as we know .... Only one country has used nukes ...

As for selling weapons, the USA ( and Russia ) are not in a position to complain about that ...

And why NK only ... What about Pakistan ... home of Bin Laden ????

catchy track

I said WMD.

It's not a question of whether they have or not. It's a question of whether they will or not.

I believe war should be the very last option. Before then, the West should put huge pressure on China to pull this rogue state into line threatening trade embargoes.

There is some movie where people say Trump could have organised more sanctions to N-Korea during G20. Than he could unite people and could show some results bla bla bla bla. I was only looking why other countries didn't start mentionining sanctions at all. Are they afraid they loose China as 'friend'? Cause China could have influence, but we are soooo happy China wants to do something for the environment (that Europe will be paying for) that we don't want to lose the good relations with the democratic republic of China. Are the rest of the countries pussies, or is North Korea only dangerous for the USA?

We cannot attack every country that has threatened us and or down something we do not like.

So, at the very least you are saying we need to attack both North Korea and Iran immediately. Let me know how that works for you.

That is not what I said but is your spin on what I said.