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Bladewire 07-06-2017 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21874513)
Yes yes gang up against the weak and steal their resources...how American LOL

For me it's not about the weak, they aren't weak.

For me it's about being allowed in a power club and abusing that power. They've set terrorism loose, funding it, directing it & strategically promoting it, to attack western culture & kill westerners. To me it's about taking back that power and a big fuck you for them abusing it.

just a punk 07-06-2017 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21874645)
Now i think destroy berlin wall was mistake. They coming to our borders with weapon again.

Who? Gremlins? You should quite with heavy drugs...

directfiesta 07-06-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21873889)
Yes Rochard. Every time a rogue, dangerous, murderous and despotic regime whose primary industry is selling weapons to other similar regimes, including those who want us dead threatens friends and allies and who would sell a nuke to ISIS, continually threatens others with all out war and then upgrades and starts regularly threatening nuclear war.... all while demonstrating their capability to carry it through - they should receive some very real threats back and there should be very real consequences.

Sounds like the USA !

Sarn 07-06-2017 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21874513)
Yes yes gang up against the weak and steal their resources...how American LOL

No they have big "debts"
Like example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis

Sarn 07-06-2017 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21874666)
Who? Gremlins? You should quite with heavy drugs...

Germany sending troops to Baltics as part of NATO's anti-Russia force
PressTV-Germany deploys troops near Russia border

just a punk 07-06-2017 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21874696)
Germany sending troops to Baltics as part of NATO's anti-Russia force

http://www.teamhughesrealestateschoo...-falling-2.jpg

brassmonkey 07-06-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21874468)
Roland

https://popularmythology.files.wordp...iban.jpg?w=640

Is that Ronnie's secret brother?

Get your memes in order comrades ...
The Chinese Great Wall? The Berlin Wall from the Cold War keeping people in would be a better example and make more sense.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 07-06-2017 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21874657)
For me it's not about the weak, they aren't weak.

For me it's about being allowed in a power club and abusing that power. They've set terrorism loose, funding it, directing it & strategically promoting it, to attack western culture & kill westerners. To me it's about taking back that power and a big fuck you for them abusing it.

The USA made Isis and it's funded by USA ally Saudi and other allies...how convenient that the wars keep going on and on and on eh? The world will be fighting the us military industrial complex for centuries to come...classic protection racket...you see it only you pretend you do not and this is amusing...

Sarn 07-06-2017 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 21874831)

no! just saying
PS: we need a wall! )

just a punk 07-07-2017 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 21874843)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

WWIII won't be so heroic and cinematographic as Omaha beach landing or Midway air dogfights. It won't be even as cool and fun as the Vietnam war. It will be boring and insipid like this and we all will die almost simultaneously :winkwink:


Rochard 07-07-2017 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 21872422)
The United States made some of the worst Trade Deals in world history.Why should we continue these deals with countries that do not help us?

Trade between China and North Korea grew almost 40% in the first quarter. So much for China working with us - but we had to give it a try!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

And once again Trump lied and people just believed it.

Figures from China's Ministry of Commerce show that bilateral trade with North Korea was up 37.4% in the first three months of 2017, compared with the same period a year earlier.

China hits back on Trump N Korea trade claim - BBC News

So trade between NK and China went up 40% under Trump....

BaldBastard 07-07-2017 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21876847)
And once again Trump lied and people just believed it.

Figures from China's Ministry of Commerce show that bilateral trade with North Korea was up 37.4% in the first three months of 2017, compared with the same period a year earlier.

China hits back on Trump N Korea trade claim - BBC News

So trade between NK and China went up 40% under Trump....

And yeah those fucking Chinese, the master plan was to starve North Korea, there should be millions of them dying thru lack of food and healthcare and there's only tens of thousands of them dying due to sanctions. What choice to the good Christian loving people of the world have but to bomb the shit out of them when this happens?

BTW Putin and Xi want to know if its ok if they start doing some nuclear drills and live firing war games 12 miles off the coast of NYC for a while, not to provoke you or anything.. just to be prepared like.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21872149)
Our ships left North Korea's doorstep June 7th. The USS Carl Vinson arrived back in San Diego June 23rd.

Trump won't do shit.

USS Carl Vinson returns home - The San Diego Union-Tribune

Trump is doing shit.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21872374)
I find it highly unlikely that the US would consider military action against North Korea.

The first problem is North Korea has done nothing to justify military action against them. There is nothing wrong with NK having nuclear weapons or an intercontinental ballistic missile. North Korea can beat his fists on his chest all he wants, but he has no reason to launch an attack on the United States and he damn well knows the United States would destroy him if he ever did.

The other problem is the United States does attack North Korea, North Korean troops will pour over the Demilitarized Zone. The North Korean military is less than impressive, but it's huge. No one wants a major war between NK and SK.

This is exactly why we have handled the problem with North Korea the same way for the past forty or fifty years - No justification for action, and any action we take can have massive consequences.

Trump has no idea what he is doing; It's stunning. Didn't he promise he North Korea would never launch such a missile? Now they have, so what is Trump going to do? Sanctions are "more of the same" and don't work, and military action is not an option. Trump has put himself into that "box" that no matter what he does he comes out looking bad.

NK has threatened the West it does so nearly every day. So what should Trump do, nothing like Obama and see there military power grow? NK has been building up its military capabilities for more than 20 years. So don't blame Trump.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21872437)
I donīt understand how the US wants to take military force against a country thatīs testing, when the US has tested for years.

Hasnīt the US hundreds of ballistic missile silos through the country, all available to reach the other side of the world... ?

Because NK sells military weapons to people who will use them.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21872440)
Trumpīs to blame for all this with his massive ego :2 cents:

This has been going on for 20 years. Trump has been in power 7 months.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21872587)
Trump took office with taking on Pyongyang as one of his main clause, like building the wall.


There is nothing saying one country cannot have what another doesnīt! Let me put this right, I wish all the countries, the world would get rid of nukes, guns and anything to harm each other, but while the US & Russia, the EU & other countries around the world has arms, NK will have things to prove, itīs big boys with little toys!


If Trump didnīt care & got on with saving the world as with other world leaders, NK wouldnīt be a problem, they would join, weīre all human!

NK will not join the rest of us. Not until the North Koreans rise up and overthrow the leadership. This is about keeping the status quo in power.

Paul Markham 07-08-2017 12:13 AM

Until the US and the EU are prepared to bring trade sanctions against China there will be no solution to the NK problem.

Sarn 07-08-2017 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21876847)
And once again Trump lied and people just believed it.
Figures from China's Ministry of Commerce show that bilateral trade with North Korea was up 37.4% in the first three months of 2017, compared with the same period a year earlier.
China hits back on Trump N Korea trade claim - BBC News
So trade between NK and China went up 40% under Trump....

2.6% small error, here he really not lie, or?

Pete 07-08-2017 02:30 AM

The NK government is fuckin nuts. If they continue on the path they are going they will eventually be destroyed.

directfiesta 07-08-2017 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21876904)
And yeah those fucking Chinese, the master plan was to starve North Korea, there should be millions of them dying thru lack of food and healthcare and there's only tens of thousands of them dying due to sanctions. What choice to the good Christian loving people of the world have but to bomb the shit out of them when this happens?

BTW Putin and Xi want to know if its ok if they start doing some nuclear drills and live firing war games 12 miles off the coast of NYC for a while, not to provoke you or anything.. just to be prepared like.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

directfiesta 07-08-2017 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21877285)
NK has threatened the West it does so nearly every day. So what should Trump do, nothing like Obama and see there military power grow? NK has been building up its military capabilities for more than 20 years. So don't blame Trump.

Can you be specific on the actual threat ....

Bladewire 07-08-2017 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21877297)
Until the US and the EU are prepared to bring trade sanctions against China there will be no solution to the NK problem.

100% Correct.


Unfortunately

Paul Markham 07-09-2017 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 21877684)
Can you be specific on the actual threat ....

Every time the ruling regime threaten to bomb the West.

Paul Markham 07-09-2017 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21877726)
100% Correct.


Unfortunately

While we allow the top 1% to rule us that will never happen. The protests at the G20 are going to continue so long as we keep building up Third World Nations.




BaldBastard 07-09-2017 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21878797)
While we allow the top 1% to rule us that will never happen. The protests at the G20 are going to continue so long as we keep building up Third World Nations.

While I have not followed the German protests in the past G20 protesting is about Globalization and large international companies raping money from poor nations back to their own rich pockets. Its ALL about building up Third world nations, letting them keep their own wealth and the even distribution of that wealth.

Every G20 brings such protests. Germans are just good at protesting, however this time the message got mixed I presume. English are very good at protesting to, just wait until Trump visits.

pimpmaster9000 07-09-2017 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21877297)
Until the US and the EU are prepared to bring trade sanctions against China there will be no solution to the NK problem.

until the EU and china and russia bring trade sanctions against USIS there will be no peace in the world...


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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21877297)
While we allow the top 1% to rule us that will never happen. The protests at the G20 are going to continue so long as we keep building up Third World Nations.

bring what ever government you want to power, "paul markham-ing" will never be solved....the western man does not want to employ western people (paul markham) and the western man does not want to buy western goods (paul markham)...the western man just wants to blame the 3rd world man for this because it suits him after centuries of exploiting and robbing and invading the 3rd world...

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2017 06:34 AM

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[M]any weapons experts say North Korea?s startling display of missile prowess is a reflection of the country?s growing mastery of weapons technology, as well as its leader?s fierce determination to take the country into the nuclear club. But others see continuing evidence of an outsize role by foreigners, including Russian scientists who provided designs and know-how years ago, and the Chinese vendors who supply the electronics needed for modern missile-guidance systems. ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d39_story.html

The secret to Kim?s success? Some experts see Russian echoes in North Korea?s missile advances

The embers of the Cold War are glowing -- the fires restarting.

BaldBastard 07-09-2017 10:13 AM

--
Earlier in the year USA military reported and showed pictures of NK parading "fake" bombs.
Then they said they have them, but they were no good.
Then they say they have them but they will never reach us.
Now they say they have but he USA has no idea where they are and must be removed at all costs because they can hit USA soil.

so- Just conclude the military have no fucking idea and NK surly has numerous missiles that are nuclear capable ready to send.

--In every test against a random target, not a predefined positioned one.. THAAD has had a success rate of about 40%

--Because of sanctions NK have a some what limited military intelligence capability, they may have the weapons but they surly do not have the advanced radar or satellite capabilities of other nations.
--Fake news, that's United States Military and Government, tell us NK and Kim is a hot head with his finger on the trigger.
----------------


Then let the actions of the past few days sink in.

You have a nutter in one country with nukes pointed at your country whose stated he's willing to use them, The USA has been buzzing that country with near military drills, using b52 bombers in an attack format, that NK would of had no idea if it was an actually attack or not, and the USA has done this twice now.

Surly they were expecting NK to of thrown a Nuke or several at the USA by now..

Americans, your lives are being used in a chess match, that is solely based on North Korea not reacting to these provocations. The only reason you are now not in Nuclear war.. is North Koreas VERY good judgement.


Trump and the Military do not give two fucks about you... better wake up to that one real fast.

Sarn 07-09-2017 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21879034)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...d39_story.html

The secret to Kim?s success? Some experts see Russian echoes in North Korea?s missile advances

The embers of the Cold War are glowing -- the fires restarting.

https://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-ukraine...v-iz-kndr.html

Rochard 07-09-2017 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 21873889)
Yes Rochard. Every time a rogue, dangerous, murderous and despotic regime whose primary industry is selling weapons to other similar regimes, including those who want us dead threatens friends and allies and who would sell a nuke to ISIS, continually threatens others with all out war and then upgrades and starts regularly threatening nuclear war.... all while demonstrating their capability to carry it through - they should receive some very real threats back and there should be very real consequences.

OR.....

We can just ignore them and no one has to die.

I'm sorry, I am a former United States Marine and I get a full woody when our military goes out to play, but going to war is not something we do because someone threatened us. We should ONLY go to war when the United States is directly threatened or attacked.

We don't send thousands of Americans to die because the leader of NK is beating his fists on his chest.

This is why we are where we are at with North Korea. We have two options...
1) Go to war
2) Do nothing

The end result is pretty much the same - the United States is still standing - but with option number one tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Americans will die.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2017 10:58 AM

Russian say TODDI

https://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-ukraine...v-iz-kndr.html
https://translate.google.com/transla...url&authuser=0

The Ukrainians were part of the Soviet nuclear program ... Russia took that over from the USSR -- so what is the point?

Steve Rupe 07-09-2017 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21879160)
OR.....

We can just ignore them and no one has to die.

I'm sorry, I am a former United States Marine and I get a full woody when our military goes out to play, but going to war is not something we do because someone threatened us. We should ONLY go to war when the United States is directly threatened or attacked.

We don't send thousands of Americans to die because the leader of NK is beating his fists on his chest.

This is why we are where we are at with North Korea. We have two options...
1) Go to war
2) Do nothing

The end result is pretty much the same - the United States is still standing - but with option number one tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of Americans will die.

There is not a need for that many Americans to die if the the conflict were to be conducted properly, which would mean the politicians keeping there hands off, but since they will not you could be correct. There would be millions of Koreans die for sure.

I have my own ideas about what I would do if I were to be in charge of the conflict but will not state them because I will not be in charge so anything I have to say one way or another is not of any importance.

just a punk 07-09-2017 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21879175)
The Ukrainians were part of the Soviet nuclear program ... Russia took that over from the USSR -- so what is the point?

All native Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. So course they were a part of the Russian Empire and of the USSR. They were involved into anything, including Soviet space and nuclear programs.

Russia did not just took over the Soviet nuclear program, it took over the whole Soviet legacy as well. Maybe you don't know what happened to Soviet Union in 1991, so I'll refresh it for your. The country was a bankrupt with negative budget and an enormous external debt. Nobody wanted to pay it... except Russia. It was the only post-USSR country which has agreed to pay out all the debt for itself, for the Ukraine, for Belorussia, for Georgia, for Latvia, for Armenia for Kazakhstan and for every single former Soviet republic which became an independent country. Russia has paid all the Soviet debts in full, and yes it took over the Soviet nuclear arsenal... with help of the Unites States BTW. The one who is ready to pay the commie debts is taking its shit too.

Furthermore. Russia is paying money for use of its own gas pipelines on the Ukraine and in Belorussia. It's paying for renting of it's own space port in Kazakhstan. It was even paying for renting of its own naval bases in Crimea 'till it was annexed etc. Did you know that?

Rochard 07-09-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 21879187)
There is not a need for that many Americans to die if the the conflict were to be conducted properly, which would mean the politicians keeping there hands off, but since they will not you could be correct. There would be millions of Koreans die for sure.

I have my own ideas about what I would do if I were to be in charge of the conflict but will not state them because I will not be in charge so anything I have to say one way or another is not of any importance.

This will not be similar to US vs Iraq. The moment war breaks out North Korea sends it's troops flying over the Korean Demilitarized Zone, and straight for all of the US troop stationed there. North Korea has been planning for this for decades. The United States will rush in as many troops as it can to stabilize the situation - tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands. This is pretty much the exact scenario that took place in 1950. There is no doubt in my mind we would be victorious, but why risk tens of thousands or hundred of thousands of American lives if we do not have to? Not to mention how many South Koreans would die.

The only time the United States should use military force is when we have absolutely have to - meaning only when we are attacked directly, or when an ally of ours has been attacked.

Bladewire 07-09-2017 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21879415)

The only time the United States should use military force is when we have absolutely have to - meaning only when we are attacked directly, or when an ally of ours has been attacked.

We're the enforcer of NATO so we goto war if Japan or South Korea gets nuked, bombed, etc. Right?

Sarn 07-09-2017 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21879175)
Russian say TODDI

https://ru.tsn.ua/ukrayina/v-ukraine...v-iz-kndr.html
https://translate.google.com/transla...url&authuser=0

The Ukrainians were part of the Soviet nuclear program ... Russia took that over from the USSR -- so what is the point?

In ukraine was maked soviet intercontinental missiles НАТО- SS-18 SATAN.
By my link NK spies was captured when they want to steal such missaile technologies in 2012 year in Ukraine. Maybe them stole such technologies before.
Thats why "Some experts see Russian echoes in North Korea’s missile advances"
Because this Kim's missile threat us more than USA, we not gives them it technologies.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2017 04:12 PM

Russian no mia culpa :laughing-

Actually, I was living with a Russian immigrant girl and her daughter when the USSR changed ownership -- we watched it on TV and she was rather worried about her parents that were still in Moscow.

Ukrainians were citizens of the USSR and many ethnic Russians lived in Ukraine. I don't know who sold the DPRK (North Korea) missile technology Ukrainians or Russians living in Ukraine.

Putin will do nothing about the North Korean nuclear problem on his doorstep neither will the Chinese. China and Russia are upwind of North Korea if you get my drift ...

Neutron bombs, mounted on tactical nuclear missiles, have a less than 250 miles radius of radiation -- I would keep that in mind. Some artillery fired nuclear munitions have very small radiation radius. If Kim calls Trump an old fat man with a little cock Trump might get pissed and start the LAST war over the North Korean fat-boy's big mouth and belligerent attitude. That will not be good for anyone.

Actually North Korea could expect a EMP attack at any time. Then a few days of shock and awe. Ironically, some of their ancient military equipment might survive EMP -- but half of their country would be disabled. Is North Korea worth dying over? North Korea's obstinate ways may get a lot of people killed. If North Korea was threatening to nuke Beijing or Moscow -- what would you do?

just a punk 07-09-2017 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 21879607)
Russian no mia culpa

What Russians have to say "mia culpa" for? We did not use nukes against civilian people. The US barbarians did it. Do you feel sorry for your war crimes? I don't think so.

Barry-xlovecam 07-09-2017 04:47 PM

Nuclear war is no problem -- unless you are one of the survivors ...


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