Where you live is irrelevant.

Where you host is irrelevant.

Where your company is based is irrelevant.

If you serve adult content to UK IP addresses then you must put that content behind a paywall.

If you dont you can be fined, your biller will drop you, and UK ISPs will stop serving your website to their customers.

It does not matter if you run a free tube, a cam site, or a paysite; if you serve adult content to UK customers then the law applies to you.

Simples.

(If this board allows adult content to be displayed then this board will have to comply.)

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The UK has no legal jurisdiction outside its territorial borders -- unless it is a criminal matter and the The International Criminal Court takes jurisdiction -- that is not even a remote possibility. So fines to persons outside of the UK's jurisdiction are not going to happen.

Billers (VISA Net processors) within the UK might be strong-armed to force their customers compliance. With Brexit, the credit card associations could just move to Ireland and out of UK jurisdiction, and into the EU and the Eurozone.

The UK government could strong-arm the UK banks and money transfer agents to cut off payment to individual entities.

There are also new Fintech payment transfer, alternative payment methods as well as surreptitious ways to access and pay for porn that the average 15 year old teenager will learn from his more sophisticated school chums.

That leaves ISP's to be the UK porn police -- blocking sites -- that is not going to be that effective.

In the end, some may lose the majority of their UK customers and their revenues over non-compliance with this UK law -- that's all ...

This may very well make the war on drugs or war on terrorism look like a walk in the park :2 cents: Everyone that has tried to go to war with porn has lost -- when there is product demand people will find their way to the product.

Sorry but you are wrong.

Which publicly owned company wants to be seen to be ignoring laws that are their to protect children, and so what if a few teens find their way around, that is not the point.

Banks and billers will comply. They will probably see the opportunities here and provide the AV solutions.

A very smart (and exceptionally wealthy) man once told me that regulation breeds opportunity.

You might want to have a think about that - your attitude is stopping you from seeing the upsides.

:2 cents:

It sure is relevant. If you live in UK, you wont be able to work on your adult sites after this as free porn sites will be blocked! It makes it impossible to do free promo for your projects, update your blogs, tubes, do tube uploads, send porn pics on tumblr.. etc. You would have to verify your age with each of them - which means verifying your age for tens or even hundreds of free sites, while many of them wont even be accessible to UK at all after this gets applied.

And the vpn's that all the naysayers are wittering about ?

Use a VPN with a UK exit IP, or set up a proxy on a UK VPS yourself.

This is assuming that it's not going to be illegal for consumers to bypass the "protection" the govt is mandating.

Show me one US Appellate Court ruling to prove that -- I don't think you can.

The UK can only control what is in their territory or with a treaty counterparty extraterritoriality.

I have had enough of this government bully pulpit bullshit.

The UK Government has jurisdiction once it's on British screens. Fines may not be enforced, but it can be blocked.

Excellent point. Barry is biased because cams win from free porn. He should think about the millions he's losing to free cams.

Will Visa want to take on the UK Government? This doesn't need to go to court, all Vsa does is introduce a new rule. They have loads of them regulating porn.

Never used a VPN but that is just another step which makes things more complicated. Also, the transfer may not be fast enough to work with large files. If you do tube uploads, that itself can be 15 gigs a day easily.

Correct.. as long as it's not a citizen of UK living outside of UK of course. Then they still could apply the fines to him.

And the mention of ICC is totally absurd as they only try cases of genocide and war crimes.

The end goal of this is nothing to do with porn, blocking porn is simply a Trojan horse designed to ease in further internet control. Next comes blocking of anti-war, anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, 9/11 Truth, Climate Change Truth etc etc all getting thrown behind the wall.

ahh this is what I was posting about previously. Logically a platform like this with a code after showing ID could work quite nicely for all of the 50000 sites through the MC database :thumbsup

http://cornelllawreview.org/files/20...o99CLR1303.pdf

The UK has no standing, on any US person, on this law in the US Court system.

Not legal advice. But if you are really interested search the word 'international' in the above PDF.

Her Majesty's government may only strong-arm UK persons and legal entities.

I have no need for anyone without a credit card or means to pay on my sites. I can see this hurting tube sites, and people who sell traffic and those who pop up kandy crush ads. I have no want for some little dipshit looking at my stuff.
But regulation is always a slippery slope and once the blow hards get involved it's a cluster fuck waiting to happen. I'm all for it if it can be implemented correctly.
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Every adult site already ignores the laws of many countries around the world so that argument isn't valid.

How many American porn sites obey the laws of China or Germany? What about the laws of Iran or Saudi Arabia?

Because America has the First Amendment, the UK can't do anything to American websites other than try to block them like China does.

I opened a free account at a Streamate white label to test something and epoch validated my prepaid VISA with $20 or something on it.

If there was some central service that did this, took a prepaid card I don't give a fuck about (limited liability), then gave you an access code for entering porn (or other adult explicit) sites -- I don't see any real problem -- but how much would it cost a website operator, affiliate site or an advertising network to use a service like I am proposing?

This is an indirect tax that the UK government is imposing on the whole world -- nothing gives them that right, it is overbroad and burdensome -- and against US laws.

see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_...Protection_Act

https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-go...protection-act

The other problem is it is a governmental invasion of privacy -- now the government can subpoena the validator for my real name and address. I am officially a registered porn-perv ...

It costs like $.50 to validate a credit card ... Do you want to pay each time a potential customer is admitted to your tour? If you are an affiliate with free explicit content do you want to pay for every visitor admission validation?


Do you think people will upload their ID documents to the UK Department of Pornography and Perverts? They will get photoshopped to hell with foreign IDs they will not be able to validate. UK issued IDs would validate. Someone didn't think this through and consider the expense involved.

How about parents supervise their younger children better -- the lazy ass shits!
When we were 14 we used to buy Playboy and Husler magazines, and when I was 16 we mail ordered danish porno magazines -- so fucking what -- boys will be boys -- get a fuckin' life.

There will be a simple plug in solution once the law goes into affect (and maybe before) so I wouldn't worry about it much. Not a big deal to put a wall up (ask Trump heh).

You are completely missing the point.

Stop and think.

The UK does not need jurisdiction over non UK persons and entities. It does not need to strong arm anyone.

It already has jurisdiction over UK ISPs.

That is all it needs to ensure that you either a) comply and you AV your visitors, or b) you reject UK IP addresses, or c) your site is not visible to 99% of UK surfers because it is blocked and Visa/MC have have pulled your billing.

Now you can be an arse and pick b or c, but why would you ?

Why would you turn away a very affluent market just because you are getting your knickers in a twist about jurisdiction ?

And why would you want to waste resources on peeps that either are unable to pay, or are not confident enough to get their credit card out on your site.

Fighting this is really not the smart move. Costly and ultimately futile.

:2 cents:

OK so friendfinder, Jasmin, MFC, et al all ignore this and get blocked.

How much do you think this would cost them per month in lost turnover ?

They will comply.

Or lose fiddy $$$$$$
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Slowly but surely.. :)

It starts with age verification for the UK. Then the UK will want you to pay a tax for each verified UK resident that subscribed to your site. Then the UK will want a yearly $500 adult site fee to "protect the children". Then the UK will dictate what content you provide.. and on.. and on... and on and if you don't comply they'll block your site :2 cents:

We may then need a porn George Washington!
I volunteer. I look fab in a powdered wig. :D

All the EU states including the UK want you to charge their citizens VAT tax now, 20% on each payment and remit it to the UK if you are anywhere (extraterritorial taxation) now. This tax is on any automated download or service; software downloads, porn downloads, SaaS services, host servers ... any automated process that has minimal human intervention. https://www.taxamo.com/ get up to speed ...

VISA and Mastercard do this now and they will roll over with your personal info and site info to the UK government -- VISA net has legal nexus in the UK (physical location) and they are subject to UK laws.

They do this now in the UK. In the US we have U.S.C. §§ 2256,2257,2257A doing the same but that law is in conflict with the EU Data Privacy Laws and now the GDPR. It is not unlawful only when a model consents to their personal data being divulged under certain circumstances.

The UK can do whatever they want to do to their citizens -- that is sovereignty. Chinese IPs hit my domain servers all the time LMAO. The "Great Firewall of China" doesn't seem to work as well as the press would have you believe, or; they are all Chinese Internet censors checking on domains to block -- that could be too... Processing payments from China is tricky, some Chinese businessmen have western credit cards. There is more money to be made in China than the UK but you cannot access the people nor the financial networks (now and not surreptitiously). Many UK high-rollers travel and have access to foreign banks and foreign (non UK) credit card networks. These people will still be buying from non UK websites regardless. The intermediate impact will be minimal as the big porn buyers adapt -- they hardly want their bosses and the public knowing that they are buying porn LOL.

New Nick thinks I am being an 'arse' < that is a UK English expression. I am going to assume that this will affect you personally -- don't think it won't cost you compliance money. If the Brits get a larger share of their home market because of this -- so be it.

It's a law designed to cover what's brought into the UK. The UK government has every right to do that.

It's amazing how much we have changed our view of how we make a living. Instead of going for the meat of porn, we go for the scraps.

We don't all have to adopt American laws.

It applies to UK citizens only.


Do you live in the UK or a British citizen?

He's against it because he might lose some of the traffic he buys at cents on the dollar. The rest of you might get a win from selling paysites, but he doesn't care about that.

And then we will go back to offline porn and the industry will make billions again.

Your only concern may be money, that's okay. Some people - especially the lawyers who work to keep people on this forum out of prison - care a lot about free speech issues as well.

What does this have to do with free speech?

Your reaction is not rational.

Your reaction is emotional.

For some reason you are looking at this change in the regulatory landscape as some attack on your rights.

Its just another set of rules. Dont be emotional about it. Find the benefits - there are many.

Work with it. Minimise the downsides and capitalise on the opportunities - just like you do in every other aspect of your business.

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I can do fine without the UK. The UK does not regulate the international Internet. This law is foreign to me and presents no opportunities to me.

The US tried the same shit 10 years ago forcing the free speech and porn advocates to take the government to court -- and porn won -- it took years. YNOT Bob was one of the persons that testified before the US Courts BTW.

Get your wallet out -- this is going to cost you big time.

Government has no business the regulation of speech <period> with the exceptions of 'real and imminent' threat inciting violence or insurrection.

Yeah Mr. Markham; You won't be paying a fucking thing either way -- you are not active in this business for years -- just a trolling old man

It's very simple, you add age verification to your site for UK visitors, or your site will be blocked from being accessed from the UK.

There is no fines or anything, they will just block it if you don't have the age verification in place.
If you don't need visitors from the UK you don't have to comply. If you want to keep visitors from the UK you have to comply. It's very simple. No idea why there is still discussion about it.

It has nothing to do with where you are located or where your site is located.

Right, so this is all about civil liberties as far as you are concerned.

Personally I have no problem separating porn from children. It is not an idea which offends me on any level.

:2 cents:

You do what you think you want and I will do what I will.
I will not pay in any shape or form to enforce UK laws or Chinese laws or any laws outside of my jurisdiction or nexus.


Keeping minors from viewing porn is a family and parental problem and not the domain of the "Nanny State". That is what was decided years ago in C.O.P.A. in the US -- MY domicile and jurisdiction.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-218.ZO.html
ASHCROFT V. AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION (03-218) 542 U.S. 656 (2004) 322

Good luck to you(s)

Thats a silly remark.

You pay to enforce laws everytime you pay a merchant account fee.

You pay a fee to get money to your performers.

You pay VAT and / or sales taxes and corporation taxes. You pay taxes when you put fuel in your car or buy an airline ticket.

Your position is purely emotional and nonsensical.

:2 cents:

So the UK's going to block twitter without verification?

What about google images?