Twitter and google already have automated safe filters, so it would be easy for them to hide adult content from UK visitors.

Polish people really have a problem with authority don't you?
Maybe this is why your country is so piss poor?
Throwing money away because you're offended like a little child.
Grow up and put a little check box on your front page and eat some pierogis.

What does censorship have to do with free speech?

Think about it.

This is a waste of my time

The UK will block online porn from next year. Here's what we know | WIRED UK

READ maybe this, in layman's term, will help you understand ...

Free software, sure ... where the fuck do you get checkbox?
You can get away with that with a .com with German buyers but not with domicile in Germany and/or with a .de ccTLD, to the best of my knowledge. This is not going to be the same thing supposedly. Anyway, Brits will just use VPNs and proxy servers if a good part of the explicit adult Internet becomes closed to them.

This is just a waste of time -- we all will do WTF we will do.

The reason you are able to legally publish adult content is because people who came before you were willing to fight for free speech. They didn't give in to every government demand for censorship without a legal fight. They "threw away" lots of money to benefit your rights and your business.

Amazing how many adult webmasters don't care at all about free speech.

The industry has changed a lot.

Well, I can't exactly allude to my *high principles* being part of this disreputable business. However, I have never laid down without a good fight.

Really, this industry has been beaten down so badly too many have become *sheeple*

Good point :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

OK I agree with you. So where are the British Larry Flynts and Hugh Hefners? Where are all the British Adult lawyers fighting the British Government on this issue? Where are the organized "free speech" protests in the UK on this issue?

Crickets. Nowhere, that's where.

And HOW exactly is a Polish pissant who pisses on everything fighting the good fight? As Barry points out, he's not British nor does he need to comply with any British Law. So Barry is not "fighting the good fight" for freedom of speech he's just pissing in the wind (as his way).

Any other salient points?

I do, but what can you do in this case? Porn will find it's way, either legal or illegal.

Age verification would be only good if it was applied world wide, this sucks. This wont help paysite sales. People who would verify their age on a paysite will just do the same on free sites, or use torrents/file lockers.

Fair enough. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

My idea of a good fight is just a stick in they eye on this one. Fuck the UK.

If the Brits won't, or can't, fight their own government on free speech issues tough shit -- deal with it.

I am not accepting dictates from any foreign government where I have no nexus.

OK then report back a year after this goes into affect and tell us how much revenue/sales were lost due to non-UK compliance.

What % of your customers are British Barry?

This has nothing to do with free speech.

No one is stopping consenting adults looking at pornography.

You just have to demonstrate that you are an adult first.

NOT TOO TAXING IS IT?

With regards to the UK lawyers and free speech protests, there is no argument to make, you can spend every waking hour wanking yourself stupid over internet porn if you want to.

Just demonstrate that you are 18 first.

NO FUCKING PROBLEM !

I don't work for XloveCam any longer -- I emailed Eric about changing this name. So the answer is a few maybe from sponsor checks I get.

You are talking out of your ass because the vagueness of this law gives you no acceptable way to comply. Here is a link to the text of the Statute enacted. My point is very simple -- it is an attempt at extraterritorial law -- I will just go around it.

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...0170030_en.pdf
Read Part 3 and get back with me.

Until the "Regulator" is appointed and compliance standards are spelled out there really is not anything to even talk about -- IMHO this statue is just a lump of shit right now as it stands.

Are you 2257 compliant? You say you run porn pay sites in the US ... How much do you spend on that? Filing documents or databasing them ... that is a cost of business imposed by US statute. And know you want to pay for some other county's laws? Or, should I say 'play by'

The UK can do whatever the fuck they want -- their citizens will bear the burden and not me.

I agree with that, but why force every single paysite to have this age verification gate instead of making ISPs do the job?

Wasn't it in UK that you had to ask your ISP to unlock porn if you wanted to browse it?? What was wrong with that? It was effective and easy to apply.

VPNs aren't too hard to set up, as a client.

Weird thing: my private VPN setup (which is basically just a cheap VPS acting as a proxy) actually improves transfer speeds.

Exactly. If it concerns ALL porn then paysites shouldn't be the ones bearing the brunt. Again I ask, what about free sites like tubes and TGPs?

And Barry: no one will have to "pay" for anything. What does putting a simple password script cost? Wouldn't this be something the biller would provide so there's not a jillion versions out there? Again, the ISP should do it, problem solved.

Where do you get this password? Please enlighten me?
The is no published protocol -- show me a UK government link ...

Barry is worried about his traffic sales.

Google images and Twitter are huge problems, will they just filter out those images to the UK. Or will their money buy politicians to block this?

What does keeping children away for porn have to do with censorship?

Before the Internet, keeping porn and children apart were normal. You now seem to be opposed to that. Why?

Why are you in favour of kids seeing porn?

Before the Internet came it was common practice to keep kids and porn apart.

They're not fighting it because it's a good move. Both for the industry and for keeping kids away from porn.

So we should drop the law on everything, as none of them are 100%.

Why do you think this is about freedom of speech?

Why are you for kids looking at porn?

Only the ones being accessed in the UK. Easy to not go there and block the country if you don't want to bother with the age verification.

Paul I am in favor of parents being responsible for their children's actions. If parents are ignorant or unable to seek help setting up filters -- that is not my problem and that is not the government's duty to impose that responsibility on me.

Children are chattel of their parents until they are 18 here. The state has the legal right to enforce parental responsibility.

No, I am not your children's keeper -- you are -- man up to your responsibilities or STFU.

If the state entity wants to pay (with their citizens tax moneys) to create a database and issue a passcode -- I will filter them; if, and only if, they pay to establish database to query, provide me with a OAuth and an API also providing me the code snippet to query and JSON reply authorizing access. The onus is on the UK government -- those are my terms. Comply or fuck you.

Does that apply to offline transactions of porn? Your point has no validity, the State is ultimately responsible for who buys what. Can a 14-year-old boy a gun, alcohol, cigarettes, drive a car, etc. No, the State doesn't allow it, you only get your knickers in a twist claiming Freedom of Speech violations over their ability to look at porn.

The onus is on you, comply or they will block you. Will they put pressure on Visa to withdraw processing rights? It will be an interesting case if Visa fights against the UK Government for porn. Let me think about that for a while. Done thinking, you're fucked.

So it is complying or they will fuck you. :1orglaugh

Not online. In person you can ask for ID. Big difference ... BIG DIFFERENCE
Then block me -- or try to ... fuck 'em
They are not that smart.

This whole thing will fall flat on its face in the end -- just like the mandatory ISP filters did in Australia years ago. Cry me a river ...

He can't buy it, but he can see it. :upsidedow

ISP filters do not work because they just end up getting turned off.

The needs of a household with different users is not served by ISP blocking.

Adults in the household that want to wank or gamble are also blocked.

The methodology in this system is that it will be at device level. Therefore the adults in the house can consume services that they choose, and they can help to screen what their children can access.

The ISP filter brought in a couple of years ago was also completely ineffective because it was a choose once system that only asked your preference on first connection.

:2 cents:

Horseshit.

We dont allow children to buy alcohol or tobacco, or to gamble, or to drive.

Society decides what is reasonable and regulates accordingly.

What exactly is unreasonable about keeping children away from porn ?

Children cannot buy adult magazines in shops, they cannot go to a live sex show, why should they be able to view wall to wall free porn on the internet ?

I have been involved in the UK process for some time. Lots of serious industry people have worked very hard to ensure this legislation is fair and effective. We have experience of bad legislation in the UK and we did not want a repeat of ATVOD.

If this legislation is effectively rolled out and policed it will create an environment which achieves its aims of child protection, and allows the adult industry to serve its customers.

What exactly is wrong with that ?

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Are there many adults among 4-member families (with 2 kids) who want to wank? This is quite absurd.

Even if a daddy wanted to watch porn from time to time at home (like.. when his kids and wife all sleep??) , why not use a different ISP for kids, with access blocked? Kids usually surf on their mobile devices after all, using mobile internet - with their own number. It's very easy to block porn for them. It's the responsibility of parents.

Years ago when internet did not exist and magazines weren't sold to kids, we still managed to watch porn, at the age of 13-14. Because we wanted it LOL. Someone took a VHS tape from their parents' bedroom and we borrowed it from him.

This is made to harm adult business, not to protect kids. Bullshit from religious extremists.

When the State decides that all the actions of their children are their responsibility, we can rely on the parents to look after them. Or lock them up when the children do wrong.

Until then it's the States and it has always been illegal to allow children to access porn.

I do know shop keepers can't allow children to buy guns, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. So why not porn? Oh, just a minute they do ban shop keepers from allowing children to buy or view.

So I guess this law is just the State catching up.

Like I said, the UK can devise a scheme that is lawful in their country, give me validation access with and verification API AT THEIR EXPENSE.

Any fool that thinks this is calling for a pop up dialog and an I am over 18 checkbox is extremely misinformed.

The UK is mandating a age verification without stating the terms (so far). The onus is on the UK if they want this to happen. Otherwise they will close most of the adult internet to their citizens like China does.

Stop insinuating I want underage traffic -- that is a crock of shit. Why don't you spend the $0.48; £0.37 to credit card validate every site visitor you have -- if you really give a shit about the kiddies entering you websites -- looks a little different now?

At a 100:1 conversion rate, with credit card verified adults, your customer acquisition cost for validation is $48.

Say an affiliate made the conversion and earned 50% PPS
*(affiliate revshare used in place of advertising expense-- not including content expenses or fixed operating expenses)

$30 - ($48+$15) -$33 first sale
$30 - ($33 [loss caryover]) -$3 second sale (rebill)

,38 eurocent was the cost I was quoted (when the Euro was $1.30)
The reason I took the time to consider it was to give 5 minutes of free cam credits to new customer signups that validated their credit card. Many cam site customers spend $500 or more in Customer lifetime revenue. I thought it was doable and viable.

I have heard, (heresay) that the porn paysites average 2.6 rebills per customer, if that is true, then they would lose money on new UK customers if they have to pay for the validation for age verification.

If you can do this at a better conversion rate -- then just fucking do it.
At 30:1 you break even on the above basis on the first sale.



Free sites and affiliate websites could not pay these costs.
Tubes could not pay these costs either.

So, either the UK government pony's up and offers a age check API for its citizens and an no cost to web operators or I doubt anyone outside of the UK will cooperate -- I sure as hell wont.

I despise censorship of all kinds.

Wow Barry, so you left X-cams because you are now the spokesman for the international online Porn Industry ?

I never knew you were so well connected ?

Strangely my own experience is that ALL of the big players are planning for this change. Just another challenge to overcome, and an opportunity upon which to capitalise.

So good luck with your business.

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Thats nice Dear.

However wrong thread. This thread is about stopping children from viewing pornography.

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