I'm pretty sure most of them realize killing themselves will hurt their loved ones and those around them. The desire to end their life, however, is a stronger feeling. To me, saying negative things and giving them "tough love" isn't going to help, it is only going to further hurt those left behind.

Because someone was abused and has struggled with that while also battling addiction issues doesn't make them a loser in my opinion.

Maybe, but who can tell what's inside the mind of a suicide? Showing how much they were loved didn't do the trick.

In the end there are no answers but I am entitled to feel angry at suicides just as those who feel sad are entitled to their responses.

How many people were abused? How many of them struggle that much decades after the abuse? Some are weaker than others.

Anyway what you say is not that he was not a loser.
What you say that he was a loser, but justified (aka abuse).
You can also say that it is insensitive to conclude that he was a loser of life.
But you can not say that he was not a loser based on that description, because it would be just wow. I mean look at your description as decide does it describe winner?

So please separate 3 things:

1. It is insensitive and not PC top state a fact of him being a loser. I agree.
2. He was a loser. That is just cold hard fact.
3. It may have not been his fault, aka abuse. But nobody is claiming that it necessary was.

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Indeed, and none of those are making the world a better or worse place - its just opinions on the internet, that we all post to make sure, people we dont know, have heard how we really feel...

It's all completely pointless, untill some of us get up, move away from our keyboard and start doing stuff.

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suicide is mental illness. you all that call him a loser probably have no idea what he was going through in order for him to leave a rock star life and 6 children behind :321GFY

It's awful :( RIP

Because he has 6 kids who need him. When you father kids it is your duty to raise them.

Right behind you. Be a man, you make music... you don't dig ditches

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You are right.

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You were saying?

He died yesterday, are you saying he's tweeting from the grave?

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scary things happen in this world & seems when people are down they can feel like taking their own lives, even when they have so much to live for...

a great shame for this young man to take his life, but sadly not enough people were around for him when he needed the help that should be provided. Friendship, love & support is important for us all in life :2 cents:

RIP

He timed his suicide with the 53rd birthday of Chris Cornell. They were friends, now both gone. Sad story.

I read that today, too. He had plans and appointments set up. The symbolism of the date hasn't been delved into yet.

Successful career, big $$$$$, nine kids, apparently happy marriage, great future ahead... your mind goes to substance abuse yet unless a note was left/found, we'll never know the truth.

I had a friend who tried killing himself three times. Each seemed to be half-hearted. Drug overdose but only ten Ativan. Car crashed into a wall but his air bag deployed. Swum out deep in the ocean, in an area full of boats and swimmers going to the small man-made island. Finally, he bought a gun. Shot himself in the foot, right side chest, then in the head. He survived but with brain damage. Can't speak or communicate and he's in the state hospital for behavioral problems. His parents pay $1.5 million a year to house and treat him.

I last saw him about twenty-seven years ago. He lies there, unmoving, eyes not focused, and doesn't seem to recognize anyone. I asked his sister why they kept him alive when he's in living hell. "My parents hope for a miracle. Daddy sold all his investments including all the beach estates for $75 million. With interest he said there is coverage for life."

I inquired about him and he's still alive, still in the hospital, his parents are under home care, sister moved to Paris and he's in custodial care.

Oh, the reason he tried suicide? He was gay and afraid to disappoint his parents. Suicide was the one way out. His parents knew he was gay and obviously it didn't deter them from spending big bucks to help him.

I can't imagine the internal pain he went through to decide to die rather than disappoint his parents

Fact: If you're MALE, your chances of KILLING YOURSELF when you reach middle age (35 to 55) goes up dramatically!

Earlier this year i visited the doctor because i needed some sort of medication because i had so much shit (and still have) going on at once.

He asked if i ever had suicidle thoughts. And i said yes.

He put me on to a councillor and i still go once per week. It's an hour to just tell someone who won't judge me all my problems and listen to whatever advice they can give.

Does it work ? Maybe. But at least it is seeking some sort of help before making any life threatening decisions.

As it is just now, i know my purpose for being here is to care for my sick mum. If i wasn't here, i doubt she would be either.

Once she goes, i will find it tough beyond anything i could imagine but i will need to find the strength.

I have other shit going on just now which has been put to the side for now, but it hasn't gone anyway by any matter of means. It's been on going for 3 years now.

This with everything else is what led to that doc appointment. But some people don't get that far or look for that help and this can sometimes be the end result.

I don't have kids and have no intention of ever having kids, so i guess that is the only good thing i won't ever have to worry about, whatever the future holds...

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Easy to call someone a loser when your mind is functioning correctly. Throw a little chemical imbalance/trauma etc... in and decisions aren't as easily made or clear cut for the dude. :2 cents:

People that are incapable of empathy are the last ones who's minds are functioning correctly.

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Lack of empathy and knowledge.

The least empethetic people are usually the first to want peoples sympathy they are pathetic.

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