I was replying to one of your dumb statements. About what is the family.

that's the retard shit they are thinking!!! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh that cartel shit is going to wipe their asses out! i see you mention nothing about the coyotes who over charge illegals. that shit is slavery and a half! on top of that they kidnap family members and demand more money.

yeah, and how many jobs do they get done for legal American businesses that legal Americans don't want to pay a real wage to get done? They're part of our economy and a lot of things would fall apart if these "illegals" didn't come here.

oh so i wonder from who they get the jobs than.

Eskimos ? other illegal immigrants? indians ?

who is it you will blame for it ?

it is indeed modern slavery.

but you should have a look at the whole chain.

as the COMPLETE economy finally ends up at the private buyer (and you can think that through because you will not find any exception)
it MUST be the private buyer who profits.

you have company A what does the job with high wages
you have company B what does the same with low wages
you have the consumer who pays the bill

if he decides for company A he is the loser and company B is the looser (so here you have 2 loosers)

if he decides for company B he is the winner and company B is the winner (you have only one looser)

this is the logic of economy because economy is the tool for PROSPERITY
PROSPERITY is the number of goods and services what private households can buy for their money.

everyone (all in front paul) who thinks he can replace low paid workers with high paid workers is completely wrong because he is talking against prosperity.

Nonsense troll.

Utter nonsense troll. Many businesses in my area have helped wanted signs posted. I look in the paper and see many help wanted ads. Some of the local business owners complain that they cannot get enough help to full fill their needs.

One manufacturing company cannot hire enough help even though it is good pay, good benefits because most applicants cannot pass a drug test.

yeah cheap labor! then the taxpayers fill the gap! :Oh crap health care, dental, food, rent etc.... the united states based companies are going to stop the greedy bullshit and pay a fair wage. :2 cents::2 cents:

everyone who works should fill the gap.
the one what makes less pays less and the one what makes more pays more.

fair wages depending on fair skills.
sure you will not get a coal miner to be the manager of an international multi billion dollar company.

if you want to compete in the international market and pay fair wages you should have a smart plan for the future and not feed a dead horse.

this "trump will save american jobs" is pure nonsense because 99% of all leading US companies are making global business and have to compete with a global market.

what trump does is to close the connections on this global markets - then this companies will went bankrupt.
and if he force them to produce will high wages they will not sell a thing on the international market - means: they go bankrupt too.

there is no economy in the world what can survive as a closed economy.
if you don´t believe that just wait til trump fullfill his promises. after that the saudies will buy the bankrupt US for a few dollars

If they throw out the illegals, perhaps there will be some jobs available for the actual legal citizens of the USA so as they no longer need to live in Tent Cities

fiddy border busters

unlogic !

if they could and want do the job from the illegals why do they not take it?

what you say is that the illegals have a better live then them - HOW can that be when both have the same chance ?

i do not think that an illegal mexican who is not even able to communicate, don´t have family and does not even have the smallest chance to get money from the goverment have more chances as a native american.

when an illegal mexican get a job and does NOT have to live in a tend - what are they doing better than the americans ?

you really should train your logic a bit.

Not so simple I am afraid, the cheap labor creates a ripple effect, wages coming down and people losing jobs, the effects are more complex than the obvious.

Mass migration and illegal migration keep down the wages of the working classes. The tax collected on those lower wages are then lower. The people the cheaper workers put on the dole costs even more. The only winners are the businesses.

Most Americans are employed, therefore not able to give a job to anyone.

What's hard to understand?

Bullshit and you know it. The only jobs available are highly skilled or pay so badly they're not worth it.

Not as long as they can get an illegal or legal migrant to do it for less.

Why should they work for so little they have to live 3-4 to a room?

Illegals and here in the EU legal migrants are prepared to work for a lot less than residents.

Many years ago there was a TV program called Auf Wiedersehen Pet. It was about how UK men were going to Germany to build houses. The ending showed how the Germans kicked them out because they didn't have work permits. Ironic.

They lived in a wooden shed on a building site. Try that with a family.

Of course, not all migrants have to live 6 to a room. Some have families and the government has to provide them with housing. Causing even more problems. The migrants don't have the money to buy or rent a house, the government doesn't have the money to build, so they borrow more.

your opinion answers are bullshit! you have not seen the things the do!

It seems this guy disagrees with you. Even with a rise in minimum wage, it won't stop employers bringing in workers to undercut UK workers. They will have too many looking for too few jobs.

ok you you want the low skilled and bad paid jobs are not done by anybody.

so you will need to get rid of your waste in the future alone.

the city park will be cleaned by them who use it.

paul you always forget PROSPERITY.
money means NOTHING - what is important is how much you get for it.

It is bullshit that people don't want to do the low skilled jobs and we neeed immigrants. You just have to pay more, just like you pay more to somebody that has special computer skills. And in the end you use more and more robots.

But the migration problem will be solved in the end. If you look at Europe there is 50/50 pro and anti immigration. And it looks like the people that want to let unskilled workers in is shrinking hard. And if there will be more problems, there will be more clashes, more countries leaving the EU, protest, civil wars, political issues in the eu (a lot of EU countries just don't take in the immigrants, regardless what Juncker of Timmerfrans say). The emigrant crisis is destroying and splitting the EU, but some people are stuborn.

So for me it doesn't matter, if more come in, the EU will end. And i wont set a tear. They should have kept it a EEG. You see it in Holland, there isn't a new government yet. All the other party's couldn't get an agreement with GreenLeft, that wants to take everyone in and gained a lot of seats in parliament. Now the parties negotiate with a religous conversative party to look if a majority of seats can be taken. Else we need reelections. Or they must ask Wilders (again) to form a majority and join the club (again).

And we have new rules in Holland, tested out in some cities like Rotterdam. If you are on wellfare, than you must do 20 hours of community service per week. Let's see if they can work... I don't like this 100% cause i think it takes regular jobs. You just have to pay more for work if 'nobody wants to do it'. But we will see what happens. For sure there will be coming a lot less immigrants to Holland when they won't get free money.

That's gonna be a hard sell to get people to pick vegetables and fruit in 100 degree Fahrenheit weather.
The Mexican people are fucking GREAT at that. My family owned citrus groves in Florida and employed hundreds of "illegal immigrants" who came in for "picking season".

This was back in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's and 1990's. I can remember my Grandfather showing me a weekly paycheck for over $2,000 he paid to just ONE worker back in the 1970's.
That was a fucking FORTUNE to be making in a week back then. They were paid by the tub of oranges they picked. And trust me....I took a shot at doing it myself thinking I would be able to easily outwork the Mexicans and make a fortune from my grandad.
I worked my ass off in the hot sun and ended up making a little over $60 for the week (which wasn't bad in the late 1970's in central Florida).

I don't know why or how the Mexican workers were so damn efficient and good at picking fruit...but they are.
I'm not saying it's a "racial" thing...probably more cultural. It's just the way it is. In general, the Mexican's can outwork most anybody in agriculture.
Hardest working people I've ever known.

over here in Germany it's the polish field workers

they tried to replace them with unemployed germans - because this is what you try when everybody is screaming "the foreigners take my job away" - it was a disaster.

hardly anybody showed up at all, the rest quit after a day or two cause the work was too hard for lazy unemployed germans

so we're back at hiring polish people to pick strawberries and stuff

same in Holland, that is why robots will take over 65% of that work.
https://youtu.be/1TMec-KyBzE

we don't need the immigrants, is bullshit.

It was great that people didn't show up, they lost their wellfare...

And let's be honest. We all know that there isn't an emigrant crisis cause there are Polish workers on the field .. working ..

do you know why? because it is tax free!! under the table! people will do the work! greed is the problem. when you are claiming 5 million in profits for the quarter into your like 30+ years in biz that is the fucking issue. :2 cents: these assholes need to be sanctioned and 3 strikes they lose their biz and go to prison like here in Arizona.

fuck that old raisin :1orglaugh

Prosperity. Are you kidding? Any growth in the economy is going to the 1%.

Sadly you are right. Or we except the regular bombing, knifings and car/lorries being driven into crowds by people who are getting enough.

They will have to automate.

See the previous post. Idiot.

Exactly. I wouldn't mind if it were just farm workers. It's not it's anyone who wants to come. Their argument is bullshit.

He's right. Wages have stagnated for most over the last 15 years. Benefits are now out of control. and the future is looking worse.

the reason is illegals are taking money that does not belong to them! using welfare sending their kids to public schools etc.. this shit has to stop!

The reason isn't as simple as that.

Today Automation and Globalisation have removed so many well-paid jobs that what's left are low-paid jobs and they are getting fewer. People aren't generating enough consumption to produce enough home grown jobs to balance out the system. So it's illegals, legal migrants and now citizens of the country who suffer. This is why the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting screwed.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/resource?uri=...6/f4a3b8db.png

The problem is the UK is losing the wrong people and not replacing them with the same calibre of people. There's a huge shortage of doctors, nurses, teachers, scientists, professionals, etc. The brain drain is real, it's people fed up with living in the UK. Being replaced by mostly low-skilled workers. If they were of the same calibre, there would be no effect from the brain drain.

And for the record, I don't care if it's white Australian, NZ, Canadian, etc low-skilled worker. He's not welcome. And I don't care if he's a black or brown high skilled worker. He is welcome. I judge men by what they bring to the table. Unlike other racist like you who care first about a man's colour.

i don´t know if you only know people who live in tents or where you get your "wiseness" from but all your arguments are only a big pack of bullshit.

we are actually in the highest level of prosperity (and rising) and you have nothing else to say as "all goes wrong".

here watch bit prosperity

and don´t forget to have a look at the rest of the world before you complain things when you better should be thankful.

here we go

learn to be a bit thankful for what you have and if it is not enough for you complain yourself for it.
you had all chances what others had also.

I can assure you the citrus industry in Florida isn't "under the table"
My grandfather paid with company payroll checks to all of his workers. And he had 2 full time people who did nothing but accounting, payroll, and taxes.
The citrus pickers make great money and taxes are taken out of every check.
You are thinking of Mexicans mowing your yard or cleaning your house.
That's just small stuff in the bigger picture.
More white people make money "under the table" at flea markets and strip clubs, etc. than Mexican workers doing yard work or maid service.

i bet if you go and count the workers you have the base number plus workers that do not speak english. you are older than me dogg!! :Oh crap :helpme :(

Who gives a fuck about Global prosperity. I'm interested in Working and lower middle-class prosperity in the West. And they are doing worse than before and destined to get poorer.

The problem is very simple, but not simple enough for people like you. Pointing to other people, the 1%, and saying they are doing great, isn't going to buy food, clothing, housing, etc for the rest of us.







Most of us were all better off 20 years ago. That's a fact, not fiction.

Migrants are partly the reason for countries high debt. A foreign worker undercutting a resident worker cuts taxes and puts a man out of work. Where the benefits for the country?

Illegal migrants should not be in the country. Whether it's to pick your Dad's fruit or work under the table. They're not required. Your arguments are a fallacy, otherwise, countries like Australia would grind to a halt. Their strict immigration policy has led to automation.

You no longer need illegal migrant to pick fruit.