This is will be a better way - spend this money on your citizens.:)

in fact US is spending over 600 billion per year in defence.

in regards of the NATO US Pays 22.1% of NATO Budget; Germany 14.7%
what is wrong with that? you are 350 million US citizens germans are 80 million.
so if you calculate that per head every german pays THREE TIMES MORE for that as every american.

nope it is not comparable.
the reason for the slower recovery of europe is that it was not financed by the local markets.

people did not get more opportunities for loans (in fact they got less)

buying obligations is not a big issue and it was even good that the FED did that even better than europe did it.
don´t forget - if you buy obligations you always buy a part of the company.
at the end there is not really a looser.

but if you use the PRIVATE sector to finance at the end the disaster by let them pay the bill later is not fair and not smart because it produces bankrupt citizens.

the difference between europe and USA is very easy.

USA pushed money in the market by giving the companies cash flow. they produced
and sold it to their own citizens. but as they did not have the money they got loans, more creditcards, longer payback times and so on.

in europe they also pushed money in the industry but they focused on EXPORT.
they did not slaughter the own citizens for it.

the result of that you can see now.
europe´s GDP is growing MUCH faster and much healthier and US GDP is slowing down because people can´t get more loans.

the next step comes now with the interest increase. that makes it even harder for a normal worker to pay back and that will have the effect that he will save money wherever he can. when he starts to save money the economy will decrease even more.

For someone that claims he is so smart thommy you say some very stupid things :2 cents:

Buying obligations don't give you a part of the company, you give them a loan for a %. And that % was too low cause the European Bank had so much money that it wants to spent. Now they even bought obligations from companys (first onlye from countries, so they could lent money cheap). And with companies you run the extra risk they dump worthless obligations, cause the European Bank buys them anyway. Does that sound familiar?

And ps; if you support the german gaspipeline to Russia, you are a Trump supporter :)

If you calculate it as a % of GDP, a method that was agreed upon by all NATO members, the picture is a lot different:

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Isn't it clear that most of NATO members are not pulling their weight, and so US is forced to subsidize NATO?

Because the common man is getting poorer.

Bullshit.

I explained it perfectly. When the National wage bill goes down, the tax revenue drops. That;s it there is no other explanation and the rest is bullshit.

Yes, I know Trump's is dropping taxes for large corporations. But at the moment that's all he can do to attract more to pay corporation tax in the US. They will also locate in the US and pay all the wages and taxes linked to being in the US, rather than being in China and paying Chinese taxes. The UK dropped corporation taxes and collected more in corporation tax than before. The percentage of the bigger pot was worth more.

The 1% aren't worried if the 50% barely have enough to live on. They care about the 1%?

Assumes the one skilled worker is earning the $200k. What if he's earning $40K, what if the robot requires very little maintenance, what if all the jobs lost are never replaced where do the unemployed move on to?

Where do you find your customers?

Agreed. China is getting richer while America and the EU is getting poorer and supported by debt. So your point was?

Europe has to pay more towards its defence.

Europe should pay more. NATO is to protect Europe from Russia.

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paul again you post numbers what you do not interprete correctly.

USA have a total military spending of 660 billion.
this is NOT A SPENDING IN THE NATO!!!!!

the NATO is a union of forces from different countries in the world it is NOT an institution
financed by those countries.

2nd: if you calculate only spendings for weapons and NOT include costs to prevent wars
it would not be a union for peace it it would be a union for war.

i personally do not want top spend a single cent in a union for war.

so just a question - let´s say germany´s GDP is decreasing 90% and they spend their 2% it would be ok ?

what would be better than ?
would we be more protected?

i do not say that we need NO defense but what i say is that money what is spend on PREVENTING wars should be calculated too.
and when it comes up to THIS calculation USA would be last.

what is stupid when i say that the money to prevent wars should be calculated too?

what is better for economy:

1. destroy a country or
2. help them to grow and become a trade partner what will also buy from you one day?

building defense the way the western world did it in the last decades is the devil´s circle because it is used to OFFEND and destroy countries.
this offence creates hate and we will need more "defense".
this is exactly what the weapon lobby wants us to do and we should stop that.

Then what do you do when the Russians or Islamists come knocking?

So you would spend money on defending yourself.

The best way to prevent a war is to have an armed force.

If you know of another way be sure to tell us all.

Help them grow and prey they buy as much as they sell. Good luck with that philosophy.

The harm is done, so now we have to deal with it. You can't turn the clocks back.

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As you can see tax revenues are raised by employing people and paying them a decent wage. 70% of UK taxes and 80% of US taxes are raised that way. So sharing production with other countries and "hoping" they buy back is suicide for an economy. Because they rarely do buy back as much as they sell.

Dropping corporation taxes is good. Because if it can attract more companies into the country like it has in the UK, it boosts the employment taxes. Also, it takes people off unemployment so a double bonus. But socialists can't understand simple logic. They would rather we be nice to the world and "hope" something comes back.

The problem is the 1% they profit from sending jobs overseas.

it is definitely the 3rd worlds fault that 1st world people paul markham like you did :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Then why did Trump cancel TTP with Australia?, the USA was sending and making more from Australia than it was from the USA. The trade imbalance was in America's favour!. It can't be renegotiated, deals have already been done. Same with NZ.

Not much happens now because companies are under contractual agreements, but as they expire trade deals are renegotiated with other countries namely China costing the USA billions of dollars a month. And worst of all, it puts two more of America's allies on Chinas payroll.

Stupid fucking move day one by Trump in a Redneck Kneejerk reaction, that ultimately FUCKS AMERICA IN THE ASS, everyone else will get along fine.

That is not the current nor historical role of world affairs -- in a perfect word -- maybe.
Pragmatism or idealism?
Money spend preventing wars is utter poppycock.
Foreign aid is a quid pro quo arrangement, and always has been, and not some great altruism.

Paul ignores Trump's defects.

Paul defends Trump's actions no matter what they are.

Trump fucked America on TPP because he wanted to play to his racist xenophobic base. Trump fucked us on international trade by playing nationalist politics. It's only temporary.

Was TPP only with Australia and NZ?

If the total of all those countries leaves the US with a deficit it was a bad move to cancel it.

I do not defend him on all he does. I defend him on trying to get more jobs back from the Third World, fewer illegal migrants and as an alternative to Clinton.

I'm not a racist. I want migration to be only those who bring a benefit to their new country. What ever their colour. I dislike muslims what ever colour they are.

You, on the other hand, want all those things. Why is that?

no you are a bigot...it is like being a racist but wider :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why are you lying?

If your lie was true, and I did want all those things, then you'd know why, because you came to that conclusion based on the premise of remembering my previous replies to said topics. But you ask me why, because you are lying.

Very weak hand you played there Paul :1orglaugh

You're right, I stand corrected :2 cents:

He's a bigot white nationalist

Yeah imagine if the USA did a free trade deal with countries like Brunei, Chile, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru.. wouldn't that fuck China over real good. I'm sure initially there would be a few clashes, but once it evened out those countries would be able to pick up what China is providing now, you know cheap shit for yanks.. Then imagine if all those countries had deals together, dam they wouldn't have to sell their excess to China at all would they, because its more profitable to send to a free trade partner. You could even write in a few copyright clauses which we all know China totally ignores, dam that would save those copyright holders trillions, you might write in a few other things, like ensuring human rights and health standards are meet. Maybe even if there were a few naughty countries you could inflict sanction's on them like they had never seen because it's a combined effort from trade partners.

If you had that sort of deal sorted out, and then you cancel it, you hand China the biggest payday cheque they ever had in history.

I'm from New Zealand, live in Australia and back in China in 6 weeks.

Please continue to fill me with your wisdom on TTP from your kitchen table in Czech.

Why invest in weapons while most wars are political.

Germany is now in the hands of Putin. Gave a big mouth about Ukraine and Putin, but when the shit hits the fan, they want to keep getting gas from Russia. Putin has Germany in his pocket, a few german NATO tanks in the Ukrain and Germany will be without energy. What would they choose.... (Germany uber alles). And than they say that Trump helps Putin... yeah right.

Excellent observation

What percentage of German energy is coming from Russia? ( Its not 100% is it )

What did they spend on the pipe? ( That was contracted before recent renewable advances )

And how much is Germany investing in renewable resources now? ( Lotta rubles huh )

And while I know Germany needs that gas today, how long before they can shut it off at anytime.. Germany chooses? 15 years? 10? 5? 3?

And when they don't need it no more, who loses? Germany or Russia?

Answer than one Ruskis.

Can you tell me if those nations collectively sell to the US more or less than the US sells back and whether that is always going to happen?

Clinton and all the other politicians are guilty of giving away the one thing the US has. A lot of very wealthy consumers, far more than China has.

Stop with the personal attacks and debate the subject.

Did the combined trade those countries are doing exceed what America sells back or not? And what is the trend?

Why are you trying to get everyone to research data for your posts? Because no matter what they say/find you'll disagree just to waste their time :2 cents:

The subject of this thread has nothing to do with Clinton.

This thread is about Trump pulling us out of TPP and causing Japan to raise beef tariffs 50%.

Stay on topic and tell us how Trump didn't fuck up with Japan trade increasing beef tariffs by 50%.

Russia had withdrawn the own army from Europe after WW2. USA army continues occupied Europe and reoccupied new countries. And now provoke conflicts for sell weapons and make money on not rational contracts like sell expensive coal, expensive gas.
Ukraine :1orglaugh
????? ????? - Coub - GIFs with sound

Russia ruled by USA(Trump) and EU(Gas) now! :1orglaugh

So it is help Putin Temporarly, that is good enough for Putin.
At least, when you believe that all energy will come from wind and sun soon.
The SECOND pipeline is being built now.

Germany’s Russian gas pipeline smells funny to America
Angela Merkel says Nord Stream 2 is no one’s business but Germany’s (Germany uber alles)
https://www.economist.com/news/europ...n-gas-pipeline

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