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CoolMikey 07-31-2017 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 21925549)
To me, I think it would all come down to what caused the accident. For example, if it was some kind of software error I could see how it could be the manufacturer that was at fault. If it was something that the owner did, it would be them. I'm not sure what the owner might do that could cause the car to hurt someone, but an example might be that they entered GPS information incorrectly causing the car to drive in the wrong place.

Or maybe hack the software so it doesn't obey speed limits. People fairly easily "root" their phones, so there is no reason why they couldn't do the same with cars. Then modify some settings to make it not obey speed limit or accelerate faster, etc. Then if you get pulled over: "I wasn't speeding, the car just kept going 75 in a 55 zone, there was nothing I could do!"

Will be interesting to see how legal implications of it all play out. Like what if driverless car gets caught speeding for some reason, who pays the ticket? What if the car fails to see a pothole, drives into it causing the suspension to get completely fucked, who pays for repairs? What if stop sign gets partially obstructed by a tree branch, car doesn't see it, doesn't stop, causing an accident, who would be responsible? etc

There will probably a hot new field: "AI law", Billions will be at stake defending companies from liability caused by software bugs, so skilled lawyers in that field will make so much money that wallstreet hedge fund guys will be jealous.

kane 07-31-2017 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolMikey (Post 21925651)
Or maybe hack the software so it doesn't obey speed limits. People fairly easily "root" their phones, so there is no reason why they couldn't do the same with cars. Then modify some settings to make it not obey speed limit or accelerate faster, etc. Then if you get pulled over: "I wasn't speeding, the car just kept going 75 in a 55 zone, there was nothing I could do!"

Will be interesting to see how legal implications of it all play out. Like what if driverless car gets caught speeding for some reason, who pays the ticket? What if the car fails to see a pothole, drives into it causing the suspension to get completely fucked, who pays for repairs? What if stop sign gets partially obstructed by a tree branch, car doesn't see it, doesn't stop, causing an accident, who would be responsible? etc

There will probably a hot new field: "AI law", Billions will be at stake defending companies from liability caused by software bugs, so skilled lawyers in that field will make so much money that wallstreet hedge fund guys will be jealous.

I can absolutely see the birth and explosion of an AI law field. All of the things you point out are great examples of how things could go wrong. I could also see people "hacking" the cars to make them anonymous so people don't know who owns it then they use the car for illegal things. If the car gets stopped/caught, the police may have no way of finding out who owns it. Imagine drug dealers being able to make a fleet of self-driving cars that can't be traced to them.

mce 07-31-2017 07:18 PM

I wonder what workers at horse buggy whip manufacturing plants thought back in the day.......

rowan 07-31-2017 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolMikey (Post 21925651)
Will be interesting to see how legal implications of it all play out. Like what if driverless car gets caught speeding for some reason, who pays the ticket? What if the car fails to see a pothole, drives into it causing the suspension to get completely fucked, who pays for repairs? What if stop sign gets partially obstructed by a tree branch, car doesn't see it, doesn't stop, causing an accident, who would be responsible? etc

Hmm, brings to mind another scenario: a cluster of cars running the same software get confused and all react in the same way, as a group.

In Melbourne Australia they're currently widening freeways, which requires temporary realignment of some of the lanes. Instead of scraping off the old white lines and painting on temporary markings, as they've done in the past, this time they've simply added yellow lines and a series of signs advising "OBEY YELLOW LINES." So you have a high speed road that has two conflicting sets of lane markings, one of which you're supposed to ignore.

How does a fully autonomous car handle that? Does it detect the conflict and realise it cannot safely resolve the situation, then just give up? Is there some failsafe mode where they beep to alert the occupant, flash their hazards, then pull over to the side of the road and stop? Oops, but Melbourne has abolished emergency lanes in order to widen freeways, so there's nowhere to stop clear of traffic... what do you do when you're rolling on a freeway in a car that has literally panicked, and you have no manual control?

Even worse, what happens if the car doesn't detect any conflict and just continues along, following the older white line alignment? It creates a situation where surrounding vehicles with human drivers (or smarter versions of software) that follow the new alignment will directly conflict with any confused autonomous vehicles following the old. Imagine you're next to one of these when the yellow lines veer a metre left, but the white lines continue straight.

To be fair, this yellow line system is too advanced for many humans to comprehend... :helpme

slapass 07-31-2017 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 21925666)
I wonder what workers at horse buggy whip manufacturing plants thought back in the day.......

In 1898, horse manure was the biggest problem in big cities. By 1912 autos out numbered horses in New York city. By 1917 there were no more horse drawn street cars.

It can change quickly.

The Porn Nerd 08-01-2017 09:05 AM

Throw in chip technology and we will become The Borg.

Man, Star Trek really fucked up a whole generation of kid's minds, didn't it? When's the food replicator and transporter coming? Beam me up Scotty!!

Struggle4Bucks 08-01-2017 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 21923920)
CEO of Mercedes-Benz predicts the future...prepare vaseline...

Did he mention "Paysites"? anywhere? maybe?

:1orglaugh

MatureKing 08-01-2017 11:15 AM

My brain not going so far

The Porn Nerd 08-01-2017 02:49 PM

And still no mention of jet packs??

WTF!!!

TheDynasty 08-01-2017 04:21 PM

big wall of text

did anyone read?

pimpmaster9000 08-01-2017 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDynasty (Post 21927397)
big wall of text

did anyone read?

yes the smart ones...

Paul Markham 08-01-2017 10:37 PM

The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

pimpmaster9000 08-02-2017 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21927832)
The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

they become a burden to the rich...

Barry-xlovecam 08-02-2017 03:04 AM

The more complex a bot's tasks are the more human management is required.

If you are not smarter than bots or robotic animation ...


Sarn 08-02-2017 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21927832)
The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

Banning/refusing innovation
Welfare payments
Shorter working hours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno...t#21st_century

thommy 08-02-2017 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GAMEFINEST (Post 21925150)
Some scary shit

itīs not scary.

if you would describe someone in 1980 the world from 2017 he would be scared also.

the only thing what makes me scared is that the world is at his highest point of prosperity
ever and more and more people are complaining.

we see the world more and more from the subjective as the objective perspective and i think that is a result of "moving too fast". humans canīt change their mind and their behaviour that many times in one life. maybe the next generation will be better and more flexibel on that.

The Porn Nerd 08-02-2017 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21927832)
The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

They move to the Czech Republic and spend all day on adult message boards?

:D

thommy 08-02-2017 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 21928792)
They move to the Czech Republic and spend all day on adult message boards?

:D

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thommy 08-02-2017 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21927832)
The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

maybe jobbing as galley slaves ????

oh I forgot - they have been replaced too - what a shame

beavr 08-02-2017 12:53 PM

Has been first posted like in 2016 then reposted by a guy saying it's Stuttgart

Rochard 08-02-2017 01:54 PM

The world is changing, and this is a constant. While the changes seem scary they happen so slowly we barely notice.

I remember years ago they told us computers were going to make most jobs obsolete. Here we are with computers in every office, yet the only that has really changed is we need yet more people to install and maintain such computers. I remember the work place before computers; Now companies have entire IT departments.

Yes, we have Uber and AirBNB. But this is just a new way of doing something we've been doing for ages. In the past when we needed a ride we called a cab company that dispatched a cab, but now we use our cell phone. I've rented vacation condos long before Air BNB....

The more things change the more things stay the same.

Yes, eventually our kids won't even own cars. But you can argue this has already happened - most of us don't own cars, but instead lease them. Same exact thing.

Tasty1 08-02-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21928150)

the only thing what makes me scared is that the world is at his highest point of prosperity
ever and more and more people are complaining.

If people have something to lose, they don't want to loose that. Keep what you have.
And when people have prosperity, maybe some are satisfied and don't want more, more and more.
Cause that is in the end what is bad for the climate.

slapass 08-02-2017 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21927832)
The world is automating. Then what happens to Humans without a job?

We have been automating for thousands of years.


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