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Paul Markham 08-07-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21935998)
would be the best but is not easy to realize because of all this financial and political interests.

the radical islam will destroy itself because you are right when you say there a fighting muslims against muslims.
the mistake was to create an enemy for them what they can have in common.

but we can´t turn back the time - we HAVE this issue and all we can do is our best to prevent to make even more of them to terrorists.
the price we have to pay for that are this circumstances you are complaining but there is no other way as to pay what we´ve ordered.

it will also not be an easy or short way but it was also not a short way to where we are now.
if people are running away from their destroyed and chaotic countries we should stand for what the world have signed in the geneve refugee pact. maybe we will fail in 50% of all cases but the 50% we do NOT fail will help to spread the message.

if we give these people a future again in their home countries they will not come in masses and they will become welcome trading partners one day.
and then they should do and live however they want there - it is not our beer.

but we can not make them guilty for the situation we all have created just because money has a higher value as moral and empathy.

I agree it's done so we need to deal with the problem. But to continue military action on people who are intent on killing other muslims is stupid. As you say it gives them justification for killing.

I do disagree with you that it will blow itself out. What do you base that evidence on?

Also refugees are meant to register in the first safe countries they land in, then return when the fighting is over. Clearly not the case.

As for giving them a future, that's what we tried in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and look what happened. Even in Egypt, there's been little change.

Tasty1 08-07-2017 08:48 AM

Another big problem is Africa where millions of people have the Western dream.
The Geneva Refugee Convention is great and worked in some cases.
But not anymore, the world has changed in the 65 years it exists.
In Holland there are more and more people that want to change that Geneve Refugee contract and adjust it to modern times.
And NO, it is not just Geert Wiilders, but also left orientated parties.
The Geneva Contract also was specified for a specific problem in a specific timeframe (refugees before 1951) in certain countries, so you could a little expect what would come.
It was never was ment for every global problem, that came later (and looks like it is failing now).
So it doesn't work anymore, stop it and make a new plan.
A lot of European countries already gave the finger to the Geneva Refugee Convention

Luckily Curacao (Dutch Carribean) didn't sign the Geneva Refugee Convention>
Now they can sent the people of Venezuela back (80 kilomters from Venezuela)
Can you imagine Curacao had to take all people.... they will be bancrupt in a month.
Just like Europe can't (and don't want) to have all migrants.
The wall that is build already stops a lot of them, so that works.

Ofcourse refugees won't return home when they are settled and than go back to help their own country.
The idea that they come here and later come back is just false. Holland thought also the emigrants in the '60 and '70 would return (most didn't)
The older ones wait at least till they get their pension and take that money with them while most never will pay for the social system.
Holland has made new rules, if you have your pensions in a country that is cheaper, you get less money for pension to prevent too much money flowing out.
It is even so that 'refugees' from Eritrea having holidays in their home country and than return back to Holland.
kick them out, they are taking places for people that are in danger.

I just saw a documentary about that (NOT made bij Geert Wilders). It shows that if we sent them back immediatly (when they are not in danger, like 80% of the refugees) they won't come. You see that in Australia, people who arrive there illegal with a boat, won't get a visa. When some European countries build a wall, there where less 'refugees'. So making it more difficult for them from coming helps. When people from save countries know they won't even get it to a refugee camp, they won't come.

PR_Glen 08-08-2017 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21930577)
The Czech Republic is great and as a legal migrant, I'm very much at home here. Why can't you separate legal and illegal migration?

probably because most if not all terrorist attacks, the ones that have you concerned, are made by LEGAL immigrants.

read that over a couple times in your head, let it sink in a little.

Paul Markham 08-09-2017 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21940372)
probably because most if not all terrorist attacks, the ones that have you concerned, are made by LEGAL immigrants.

read that over a couple times in your head, let it sink in a little.

My objection to migration isn't based on terrorism. It's based on the effect it has on the working classes. UK wage stagnation.

Then there's the direct effect of house prices and rents, then the problems with Healthcare, education, crime, etc. At a time when more services are needed, the government has less money to supply them.

read that over a couple times in your head, let it sink in a little.

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Hannes 08-09-2017 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21930295)
He's not out to stop emigration or immigration. He's trying to limit illegal migration into the US. What's wrong with that?

People don't think critically nowadays, no one thinks beyond what is shown to them, and when media makes a bad rep of Donald, you just get more people who don't look into any of his policies and judge based off what they read.


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