I'm glad I didn't vote for him..

If they 're not in the US, what good is a money transfer?

And did nothing much.

The debt is because of low wages.

https://media.nationalpriorities.org...15_enacted.png

Low wages = Low tax revenues. Mass migration suppresses wages. 80% of tax revenue comes from people's wages.

The Iron Curtain was 99.99% effective. With drones, cameras and motion detectors it needs fewer people to be effective.

Do you have statistical proof it's otherwise?

Very true, for now. Who's to say it will remain like that?

Still you have to deal with the 11.3 million people in the country illegally.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19K2RH It's disgusting that this is going to be opposed.

The next best thing doesn't exist. There is no wall. There is no bill to fund the wall. The wall, at this moment, is like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. We like to talk about it, but it is a fantasy.

We could just as easily pass a law making tough punishments for those who employ illegals and to improve how we stop illegals from coming in and catching those who are already here than it would be to pass a bill to build the wall. The problem is Trump doesn't want that. He want's a big, fancy, shiny wall that he can point to and say, "I did that."

This is about personal vanity, not what is best for the nation.

So he's a change from the norm in the US. The rest only think about their donors.

Stopping illegals is good for many reasons. No matter where they come from. The vast majority are low wage, unskilled, unemployed, criminals and not required. This has a devastating effect Government debts I illustrated tax revenues come from wages, lower wages, lower tax revenues. With the possibility of a citizen of that country going onto welfare. The real unemployment rate is a huge burden on the rest. https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-t...t-rate-3306198 So much for the often quoted 4% figure.

Worse is coming. Unless we find millions of jobs over the next 10 to 20 years millions will be added to the unemployed.

Automated cars, vans, and lorries are being tested, with Government funding. That will mean no need for 3.5 million new jobs to replace the jobs truck drivers currently hold. Now add taxis and vans. This is in addition to jobs already being lost to automation. https://www.recode.net/2017/3/25/150...job-automation.

So stopping illegal migration is good for many reasons. It's a wonder all politicians aren't planning for the people's future and not their donor's futures.

Paul acts like he lost his job picking oranges to a mexican.

yeah, because people got shot that tried.

you want to shoot people, Paul?

You have no idea what goes on here in the USA, not a jot. I lived in San Diego for 16+ years owned and ran 11 restaurants with a total of some 154 staff including Baristas line cooks, chefs, etc etc. During the 8 years i owned them the only issues i had where from Americans who didn't want to work, came to work drunk or stoned and mostly late. In the end i had had enough i fired all the offending people and hired on legal Mexicans / Australians . They worked hard came in on time and didn't drink or do drugs of any sort, didn't want to change the menu and didn't argue with each other. Sure they sent there wages back to Mexico but my restaurants grew mainly because of there work ethic. I made more money and paid more taxes. I sold more alcohol and paid more taxes. My turnover climbed more than 63% during the last 4 years and when i sold the business i got back more money and paid more taxes.
Without the immigrants wether they be Mexicans, Polish, Brits or Australians i would not have increased my business and yes, paid more taxes. Some Americans in the restaurant business, at least in San Diego don't want to work period. Just in case you are wondering i paid the Mexican/Australian staff the same as the Americans.

Paul... Illegal immigration has been dropping since 2007... So it did a lot.

Years ago before I worked in porn I managed a small cafe. We had a Mexican working for us, Eddie his name was; We called him Chico. He was a great worker really.

Paul, calm down.

They've been telling us that computers will killing jobs for decades now. Instead, the direct opposite has been happening. We still need office workers and accountants, but now we also need IT people, computer salespeople, web designers, and people to design the computers themselves. Instead of replacing employees, it's made workers quicker and better.

It will be the same thing when robots start replacing us. Eventually fast food workers will be replaced by robots. However, we'll need someone to design the robots, sell the robots, install the robots, and the fix the robots. We'll have less fast food employees, but we'll have millions of people working in a brand new industry.

Why is a 93 year old Englishman so obsessed with US immigration policy?

I have a mexican woman cleaning the house every week :)
Cost about 50 pesos an hour. Nice hard working woman.

which makes you and Paul very special people:

You move to another country, take advantage of the lower cost of living and the local population and then rant about immigrants on here.

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All legal, i bring the jobs to them. Just when you are on holiday and somebody cleans your room.

It is not about legal immigrants, altough it is much much more difficult to become a legal immigrant in the USA than an illegal. Let's see when the countries at the borders of Europe will stop building walls, stop checking people and let everybody go to Germany? I am sure that Merkel will be the first person to sent them back where they firt entered. Wait, that is exact what she is doing. A paper wall.

PS; cheap, Mexico? I have never seen so ridiculous high prices near a beach like in Cancun. And than you have Condessa area and Roma in Mexico City, sure that the houses are more expensive than in many European cities. Ok, the other coast is cheap, Zipolite, Puerto Escondido, but the other are over priced. And even this cheap coast is expensive compared to Asia.

If Mexico or Brazil where the neighbouring countries of Europe, i am sure people would all have fences for the windows and arm themselves. Controlled season work is ok (till the robots come), but in the end you need borders to keep the bad ones out.

When the Government refuses to do what is best, people take what's offered.

Not on the wages, you were paying. Australia, New Zealand has no problems finding those workers. Higher wages bring in more taxes.

Computers v Automation. Two entirely different things. Good luck people serving in MacDees designing a robot. Machines that need millions to maintain them won't be much uses.

The difference being I was legal and brought jobs here. That's a stupid reply.

Tell us the economic benefits millions of low-skilled and unemployed illegal migrants bring. If you can.

All the replies are lame to the extreme. The truth is in one of the replies. A business made more money by exploiting low-paid migrants in order to make money. The taxes on those profits were far less than the taxes decent wages would have paid. As my chart of how taxes are raised proved.

Lame reply.

OMFG I spit my drink out laughing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh So true :thumbsup

You are still missing the point entirely the wall won't stop anything you are talking about. The wall is just a rally cry for dumb dumbs to latch on to..

$10 worth of rope or a ladder or a shovel and the wall is defeated.. Not to mention 80% of illegals walk right through the gate with a visa in hand.

I'm not having my tax dollars wasted so dumb dumbs can be appeased..

As for your last question.. it's YOU, you are self delusional.

and exactly this will happen and it will have the SAME result as your illegal immigrant phobia.

why don´t you understand the following simple selfruling cistcumstances:

company A works with high skilled workers
comapny A pays hiagh wages and the products they produce are expensive.
that for not many people can afford it.
because company A have high costs they make less profit an pay less tax.

comapny B works with cheap illegal immigrants.
products are cheap and can be exported to all countries what have a lot of companies A.
company B makes more profit pays higher tax
with this tax all the unemployed have to be paid.
this is modern slavery.
this is what happens now with the illegal workers and this is what will happen when robots are replacing even them.

have you ever been in the middle east? in dubai, abu dhabi, saudi arabia?

you should - because than you would see citizens with VERY HIGH prosperity and nearly none of them is working because 98% of all available jobs in those countries are done e by foreign workers from india, pakistan, malaysia etc.....

i was a few times there and i have NEVER seen even one native working (except some immigration officers giving orders to non native helpers).

go there look around and see HOW FUCKING WRONG you are.
and then tell the citizens there your idea - maybe they will hire you as a comedian
and you will get your own television show because they will love your humor.

Tell that to the families of the people that lost their lives trying to leave the Warsaw pact countries. That got shot just because they wanted their freedom.

Pretty lame, yeah...

Another Trump fantasy-diversion tactic

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How the fuck do you know what i was paying ? Issues in San Diego had zero to do with $$ and everything to do with attitude / drugs ! You really don't have a clue.

Just some more headlines to make you forget about RUSSSIA...
For that topic will eventually bring down the entire Trump organization as we know it

I look forward to more of the same news diversion headlines. He seems to be good at it as everyone buys into it.

But you are willing to pay higher taxes because of the lower wages most earn and the high unemployment.

Why is that? Is it because Trump is trying to do something about illegal migrants or that Clinton would encourage more to come to the US and you like sharing what you have?

And what do you do with all the people losing their jobs?

Company B doesn't pay higher taxes being based in the Third World and locates their HQ in a tax haven.

Using oil wealthy nations as an example was beyond stupid.

That was Russia. Lame reply to add to the mix.

Because I used to work in a restaurant and unless things have changed trained staff aren't drug addicts. Taking from the bottom of the barrel you get the worse.

WTF does Clinton have to do with Jack shit? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BTW

Fun fact:

A lot of immigrants are impoverished from South America, travel hundreds of miles to reach America, and in any other circumstance would be classified as refugees which we're legally obligated to take in by international law.

no, it wasn't, and you know that

and if not: go read it up

I have been to Malaysia. That workers there are modern slaves, second class people for the Malaysian people, mostly Chinese.

Do you want that, cause what we need next than is gated communities with fences for the windows and everybody must be armed. Else i am sure they will have an uprising.

That very HIGH prosperity is only for the few. That will never work in social Europe. I hope it will never work, the times of slave drivers are over.

That is why i am also in favour of sustainable energy, no more depending on the arabs for oil. That is why they can hire their slaves.

And than some left people say the terrorism comes cause people don't get equal chances and education. And now the idea that we just must introduce a lower class who will do all the work cause that brings prosperity for the richer. What a great social idea. Maybe the asians slaves fall for it, the arab slaves will take the weapons in the end and take control.

maybe i must look for an Arab country to live, our minister once said that we must revive the VOC ages.

I don't think being a dishwasher in the UK gives you the qualifications to comment on the state of American restaurants. You verbal diarrhea makes me ashamed to be British.

Robots are slavish ;)

finding them others or when they are not high skilled enough pay them a bit money for doing nothing.

you always forget one thing. all these trading differences are based on EXPORT.
what you want is to goive americans work. but with WHAT?
to who shall this products be sold?
a country needs to export and to export it needs a few high skilled workers and a lot of low skilled cheap ones. because without this cheap ones this companies will not export anything. and if they do not export they also can not pay the high skilled workes.

your and trump´s ideas are KILLING jobs and not create them.


explain me why that is beyond stupid.

you are one of them who want to give US coal workers a job. these people aree not that stupid there to make this work. they let others do it.

it does not matter WHAT a country have more or can do better than others but if have to be something.

if not they do not have the right to cry - this is free market and competition.
if a country like US (what are the founders of free markets and selfruling competition) can not survive with it´s own rules - i am sorry !!!

they have to learn than how this selfcreadet market works meanwhile.
hundrests of nations with less power can survive with it and creating prosperity.

but the point is that all of them have something what they can do better or cheaper than others or they have something what others do not have.

if trump build this wall and get the illegal out of US the country will suffer and cry because than they have to produce even more expensive and they will not find any buyer for an overpriced product.
and then? where does this money for high wages come from then?

answer me this question, mr finance.

answer me how americans with no export will buy a car what is double the price as before because no mexicans make the cheap work.

i am really looking forward in you genius maths and want to know how you divide zero through 350 million.

the only thing what you have a lot from is: NO CLUE

what you want to do with them? kill them ? they are here on this planet and their vision of life is a very other. they are working for food and not for a porsche.

and one day also they will be replaced from mashines, because machines are working 24/7.

but til that da comes what are you wanting to do with them?


this is part of the world evolution. if there are no loosers there will be no winners.
what you try to defend here is called communism - we had it and we saw that it does not work.

i am with you - and i tell you what: THE ARABS TOO because they have been smrter as mr. trump ever was. they bought already the half industry of this planet and they will win again because each one of them is born as a business man. each one grow up in souks and knows how to barter.

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you are talking about ideology and i talk about the real life.
and your ideology is left from the left because you proclaim the dictatorship of the proletariat - this si NOT FROM TRUMP - this is from karl marx and friedrich engels.
so i think you do not even know on wich side your heart beats and missmatched left and right.

alone the fact that you can afford to live in another country of your choice because the system that you want to destroy gave you the chance for education and making enough money should make you think.

in many of your views you are like paul - doing the opposite of what you say and taking like a communist who still did not understand that evolution is wanting people to compete with each other.
You preach water while you drink wine and you forgot wich system gave you that chance.

Mass migration didn't start with Trump. It's been going on for many decades.

I would rather they are impoverished in their home country than mine.

OK, you got me. It was the USSR. My point is the US won't start shooting people, it will catch them and return them.

A Wall is the second best option. Passing a law that fines people $20,000 per illegal migrant they employ or rent a house to would remove jobs and homes. They will have no options but to walk back.

That is starting to happen. There are areas where poverty is high and areas, gated communities with high security, where the rich live. It will get worse.

In a Democratic Society, the options are clear. Leaders will emerge who the poor will vote for in huge numbers. Whether these are good or bad leaders is to be decided. Trump, Corbyn, Le Penn, etc.

There are 100,000s of good restaurants with good staff. Your one anecdotal story isn't the norm.

If those companies are in China why should Westerners worry? We need to ensure balanced trade or lose our place as the worlds leading powers. With countries like China holding that position, we need to worry.


The jobs you talk about are disappearing fast.

Exactly. Millions of Americans can't afford to buy a car today. It will get worse.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...es-2017-a.html

Now retail is being hit by automation. You forgot to factor that in. So manufacturing is going and now retail is hurting. This isn't an over night process it works slowly and builds.

Already happening. Good luck to the workers finding new jobs https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...es-2017-a.html


True. If there are no losers there are no winners. But if for every 1 winner there are 1,000 losers. Democracy has a way of evening that out.



And fuck the rest. Great attitude.


It exists and can't be ignored. If some of that poor people are Islamic extremists, they wil be easily turned.


We want controlled migration not uncontrolled. But then you ignore that fact to suit your agenda. Australia has a good immigration policy.