Hi Paul,

No dude sorry, this is completely wrong. The wall is expected to cost over $20 Billion dollars, and several billion to maintain after that. There is nothing to gain in this investment.


There are lots of problems with this statement.

"Low paid" means cheap produce at the grocery store. If people were paid a fair wage for picking strawberries, the cost of strawberries would skyrocket, along with the rest of fresh food.

And since they are "low paid", how do you expect them to pay taxes?

The problem is made even more complex for other reasons. Most people don't want to work picking strawberries or similar for example.

Some people want to blame immigrants for all kinds of problems, real or perceived, but the truth is that they also need those immigrants to do this kind of work. As broken and fucked-up as it is, the system kinda sorta works.

What Trump did during his campaign is demonize immigrants, especially Mexicans. Stiring up fear and hatred in anyone who is "other", is a great way to win elections it seems. Trumps promise to "build a wall" between "us and them", was a brilliant, but hateful and flawed idea. Of course the wall would never and should never be constructed. His voters never knew this, but the rest of the world sure did.

and higher prices for American food, making imported food more interesting, and driving more farms out of business.

Exactly how big is that drop?

Or, just the opposite.

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Trump's victory narrowed the window of opportunity for globalists to pass mega trade deals and enact international taxation (in the form of "global warming" carbon taxes).

The window to get this stuff done is fairly thin given that they targeted only the youngest of generation Y for brainwashing. These people will obey for only two, maybe three, election cycles.

2020 is it. If they can't get a democrat as US president then this stuff becomes very difficult since the brainwashed begin to wake up and they haven't been very successful at connecting with Gen Z.

i tried to explain him many times that prosperity has not only tod with income but also with the number of things you can buy for it.

but you forgot another important aspect in that. sure illegal immigrants will make a little money in US and they will not pay tax (same as no US citizen would pay tax with such a low income).
and maybe they can send a few hundert dollars home to mexico and the mexicans there can POSSIBLY buy some expensive import good from US with that.

BUT: his life in america will be relative expensive and he will use the most of this little money to survive in USA. that means that this money goes back into the local money circle and also helps to finance jobs.

no let´s see an average american worker with a good income or a person with a really high income.

sur ethey pay tax but they still have money left and many of them will do one of the 3 following things:

1. he will safe the money - and it will not go back into the circle where production stands against production. it will be lend to companies on interest. interest is NOT PRODUCTION. means the money is becomming more without any productivity.

2. he will push the money into the stock market where it goes in the hands of the companies what are expanding globally (beceuse if they do not do it they die) so this money will go offshore in big parts.

3. if he have really enough and bigger money he will bring it to his bankaccount on the caimans or other offshore country with no tax.

it is a fact that poor people (or at least people what are spening ALL the money they get back into the money circle where it came from) are MUCH ore healthy for any economy as people who do not spend this money.

but as i said it is senseless to explain that to paul - paul is an industry manager who run a worldwide trillion dollar concern with millions of emplyees and knows all about economy. much better as people who studied the rules and situations of worldeconomy.
much better as every banker and much better as every financial minister of any country in this world.

hint: if you have a dog or a cat - explain it to them - they will easier understand it.

that is kind of true and i also appreciate this big accident in the human history to prevent people like le pen and all this other right radical bonsai brains.

so yes - he have done something nice - he showed us how the world can be when brain becomes a rare good - but hitler and idi amin did the same.

And you go off topic

Trump lied about getting Mexico to pay for the wall, and he's blackmailing Americans that if we don't pay billions of dollars for his stupid wall he's going to shut down our government.

You're ok with that

he can not blackmail america because if he would risk even a week of a "bancrupt america" he will have to pay MUCH MORE than only a wall.
US will loose the AAA rating and the interest on the next nessecary loan will will be 5 times more than his stupid wall.

I agree that laws to make employing illegals do stringent that employer dare not risk it would be the best solution. But that's not on offer so you take the next best thing.

The crash proved how fragile an economy without manufacturing is. Saying the bankers are free so we can take millions of migrants is stupid.

You seem to forget Czechoslovakia had an effective wall. It was called the Iron Curtain, I saw it in the 60s, no one was using a ladder to get across.

I'm glad I didn't vote for him..

If they 're not in the US, what good is a money transfer?

And did nothing much.

The debt is because of low wages.

https://media.nationalpriorities.org...15_enacted.png

Low wages = Low tax revenues. Mass migration suppresses wages. 80% of tax revenue comes from people's wages.

The Iron Curtain was 99.99% effective. With drones, cameras and motion detectors it needs fewer people to be effective.

Do you have statistical proof it's otherwise?

Very true, for now. Who's to say it will remain like that?

Still you have to deal with the 11.3 million people in the country illegally.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN19K2RH It's disgusting that this is going to be opposed.

The next best thing doesn't exist. There is no wall. There is no bill to fund the wall. The wall, at this moment, is like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. We like to talk about it, but it is a fantasy.

We could just as easily pass a law making tough punishments for those who employ illegals and to improve how we stop illegals from coming in and catching those who are already here than it would be to pass a bill to build the wall. The problem is Trump doesn't want that. He want's a big, fancy, shiny wall that he can point to and say, "I did that."

This is about personal vanity, not what is best for the nation.

So he's a change from the norm in the US. The rest only think about their donors.

Stopping illegals is good for many reasons. No matter where they come from. The vast majority are low wage, unskilled, unemployed, criminals and not required. This has a devastating effect Government debts I illustrated tax revenues come from wages, lower wages, lower tax revenues. With the possibility of a citizen of that country going onto welfare. The real unemployment rate is a huge burden on the rest. https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-t...t-rate-3306198 So much for the often quoted 4% figure.

Worse is coming. Unless we find millions of jobs over the next 10 to 20 years millions will be added to the unemployed.

Automated cars, vans, and lorries are being tested, with Government funding. That will mean no need for 3.5 million new jobs to replace the jobs truck drivers currently hold. Now add taxis and vans. This is in addition to jobs already being lost to automation. https://www.recode.net/2017/3/25/150...job-automation.

So stopping illegal migration is good for many reasons. It's a wonder all politicians aren't planning for the people's future and not their donor's futures.

Paul acts like he lost his job picking oranges to a mexican.

yeah, because people got shot that tried.

you want to shoot people, Paul?

You have no idea what goes on here in the USA, not a jot. I lived in San Diego for 16+ years owned and ran 11 restaurants with a total of some 154 staff including Baristas line cooks, chefs, etc etc. During the 8 years i owned them the only issues i had where from Americans who didn't want to work, came to work drunk or stoned and mostly late. In the end i had had enough i fired all the offending people and hired on legal Mexicans / Australians . They worked hard came in on time and didn't drink or do drugs of any sort, didn't want to change the menu and didn't argue with each other. Sure they sent there wages back to Mexico but my restaurants grew mainly because of there work ethic. I made more money and paid more taxes. I sold more alcohol and paid more taxes. My turnover climbed more than 63% during the last 4 years and when i sold the business i got back more money and paid more taxes.
Without the immigrants wether they be Mexicans, Polish, Brits or Australians i would not have increased my business and yes, paid more taxes. Some Americans in the restaurant business, at least in San Diego don't want to work period. Just in case you are wondering i paid the Mexican/Australian staff the same as the Americans.

Paul... Illegal immigration has been dropping since 2007... So it did a lot.

Years ago before I worked in porn I managed a small cafe. We had a Mexican working for us, Eddie his name was; We called him Chico. He was a great worker really.

Paul, calm down.

They've been telling us that computers will killing jobs for decades now. Instead, the direct opposite has been happening. We still need office workers and accountants, but now we also need IT people, computer salespeople, web designers, and people to design the computers themselves. Instead of replacing employees, it's made workers quicker and better.

It will be the same thing when robots start replacing us. Eventually fast food workers will be replaced by robots. However, we'll need someone to design the robots, sell the robots, install the robots, and the fix the robots. We'll have less fast food employees, but we'll have millions of people working in a brand new industry.

Why is a 93 year old Englishman so obsessed with US immigration policy?

I have a mexican woman cleaning the house every week :)
Cost about 50 pesos an hour. Nice hard working woman.

which makes you and Paul very special people:

You move to another country, take advantage of the lower cost of living and the local population and then rant about immigrants on here.

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All legal, i bring the jobs to them. Just when you are on holiday and somebody cleans your room.

It is not about legal immigrants, altough it is much much more difficult to become a legal immigrant in the USA than an illegal. Let's see when the countries at the borders of Europe will stop building walls, stop checking people and let everybody go to Germany? I am sure that Merkel will be the first person to sent them back where they firt entered. Wait, that is exact what she is doing. A paper wall.

PS; cheap, Mexico? I have never seen so ridiculous high prices near a beach like in Cancun. And than you have Condessa area and Roma in Mexico City, sure that the houses are more expensive than in many European cities. Ok, the other coast is cheap, Zipolite, Puerto Escondido, but the other are over priced. And even this cheap coast is expensive compared to Asia.

If Mexico or Brazil where the neighbouring countries of Europe, i am sure people would all have fences for the windows and arm themselves. Controlled season work is ok (till the robots come), but in the end you need borders to keep the bad ones out.

When the Government refuses to do what is best, people take what's offered.

Not on the wages, you were paying. Australia, New Zealand has no problems finding those workers. Higher wages bring in more taxes.

Computers v Automation. Two entirely different things. Good luck people serving in MacDees designing a robot. Machines that need millions to maintain them won't be much uses.

The difference being I was legal and brought jobs here. That's a stupid reply.

Tell us the economic benefits millions of low-skilled and unemployed illegal migrants bring. If you can.

All the replies are lame to the extreme. The truth is in one of the replies. A business made more money by exploiting low-paid migrants in order to make money. The taxes on those profits were far less than the taxes decent wages would have paid. As my chart of how taxes are raised proved.

Lame reply.

OMFG I spit my drink out laughing :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh So true :thumbsup

You are still missing the point entirely the wall won't stop anything you are talking about. The wall is just a rally cry for dumb dumbs to latch on to..

$10 worth of rope or a ladder or a shovel and the wall is defeated.. Not to mention 80% of illegals walk right through the gate with a visa in hand.

I'm not having my tax dollars wasted so dumb dumbs can be appeased..

As for your last question.. it's YOU, you are self delusional.

and exactly this will happen and it will have the SAME result as your illegal immigrant phobia.

why don´t you understand the following simple selfruling cistcumstances:

company A works with high skilled workers
comapny A pays hiagh wages and the products they produce are expensive.
that for not many people can afford it.
because company A have high costs they make less profit an pay less tax.

comapny B works with cheap illegal immigrants.
products are cheap and can be exported to all countries what have a lot of companies A.
company B makes more profit pays higher tax
with this tax all the unemployed have to be paid.
this is modern slavery.
this is what happens now with the illegal workers and this is what will happen when robots are replacing even them.

have you ever been in the middle east? in dubai, abu dhabi, saudi arabia?

you should - because than you would see citizens with VERY HIGH prosperity and nearly none of them is working because 98% of all available jobs in those countries are done e by foreign workers from india, pakistan, malaysia etc.....

i was a few times there and i have NEVER seen even one native working (except some immigration officers giving orders to non native helpers).

go there look around and see HOW FUCKING WRONG you are.
and then tell the citizens there your idea - maybe they will hire you as a comedian
and you will get your own television show because they will love your humor.

Tell that to the families of the people that lost their lives trying to leave the Warsaw pact countries. That got shot just because they wanted their freedom.

Pretty lame, yeah...