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Barry-xlovecam 08-26-2017 04:05 AM

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Busty2 08-26-2017 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21971067)
Not on the wages, you were paying. Australia, New Zealand has no problems finding those workers. Higher wages bring in more taxes.

How the fuck do you know what i was paying ? Issues in San Diego had zero to do with $$ and everything to do with attitude / drugs ! You really don't have a clue.

VRPdommy 08-26-2017 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21968955)
What do Trump supporters have to say about this?

Trump said Mexico will pay. Now he says America must pay or he'll shut down the government. Another broken promise by Trump with severe consequences.

Ryan warns Trump not to shut down government over border security funding

Speaker Paul Ryan Wednesday rejected a threat by President Donald Trump to shut down the government to force Congress to approve funding for a border wall with Mexico.

"I don't think a government shutdown is necessary and I don't think most people want to see a government shutdown, ourselves included," the leader of the Republican-controlled House said at a news conference in Oregon where he was promoting tax reform.

Ryan argued the House had already passed funding for border security but that the narrowly divided Senate -- where Democrats have considerably more sway over what gets into funding bills -- would need more time to act.

Just some more headlines to make you forget about RUSSSIA...
For that topic will eventually bring down the entire Trump organization as we know it

I look forward to more of the same news diversion headlines. He seems to be good at it as everyone buys into it.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21971127)
You are still missing the point entirely the wall won't stop anything you are talking about. The wall is just a rally cry for dumb dumbs to latch on to..

$10 worth of rope or a ladder or a shovel and the wall is defeated.. Not to mention 80% of illegals walk right through the gate with a visa in hand.

I'm not having my tax dollars wasted so dumb dumbs can be appeased..

As for your last question.. it's YOU, you are self delusional.

But you are willing to pay higher taxes because of the lower wages most earn and the high unemployment.

Why is that? Is it because Trump is trying to do something about illegal migrants or that Clinton would encourage more to come to the US and you like sharing what you have?

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21971187)
and exactly this will happen and it will have the SAME result as your illegal immigrant phobia.

why donīt you understand the following simple selfruling cistcumstances:

company A works with high skilled workers
comapny A pays hiagh wages and the products they produce are expensive.
that for not many people can afford it.
because company A have high costs they make less profit an pay less tax.

comapny B works with cheap illegal immigrants.
products are cheap and can be exported to all countries what have a lot of companies A.
company B makes more profit pays higher tax
with this tax all the unemployed have to be paid.
this is modern slavery.
this is what happens now with the illegal workers and this is what will happen when robots are replacing even them.

have you ever been in the middle east? in dubai, abu dhabi, saudi arabia?

you should - because than you would see citizens with VERY HIGH prosperity and nearly none of them is working because 98% of all available jobs in those countries are done e by foreign workers from india, pakistan, malaysia etc.....

i was a few times there and i have NEVER seen even one native working (except some immigration officers giving orders to non native helpers).

go there look around and see HOW FUCKING WRONG you are.
and then tell the citizens there your idea - maybe they will hire you as a comedian
and you will get your own television show because they will love your humor.

And what do you do with all the people losing their jobs?

Company B doesn't pay higher taxes being based in the Third World and locates their HQ in a tax haven.

Using oil wealthy nations as an example was beyond stupid.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21971269)
Tell that to the families of the people that lost their lives trying to leave the Warsaw pact countries. That got shot just because they wanted their freedom.

Pretty lame, yeah...

That was Russia. Lame reply to add to the mix.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 21971297)
How the fuck do you know what i was paying ? Issues in San Diego had zero to do with $$ and everything to do with attitude / drugs ! You really don't have a clue.

Because I used to work in a restaurant and unless things have changed trained staff aren't drug addicts. Taking from the bottom of the barrel you get the worse.

Bladewire 08-26-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21971489)
But you are willing to pay higher taxes because of the lower wages most earn and the high unemployment.

Why is that? Is it because Trump is trying to do something about illegal migrants or that Clinton would encourage more to come to the US and you like sharing what you have?

WTF does Clinton have to do with Jack shit? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BTW

Fun fact:

A lot of immigrants are impoverished from South America, travel hundreds of miles to reach America, and in any other circumstance would be classified as refugees which we're legally obligated to take in by international law.

MaDalton 08-26-2017 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21971499)
That was Russia. Lame reply to add to the mix.

no, it wasn't, and you know that

and if not: go read it up

Tasty1 08-26-2017 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21971187)
and exactly this will happen and it will have the SAME result as your illegal immigrant phobia.

why donīt you understand the following simple selfruling cistcumstances:

company A works with high skilled workers
comapny A pays hiagh wages and the products they produce are expensive.
that for not many people can afford it.
because company A have high costs they make less profit an pay less tax.

comapny B works with cheap illegal immigrants.
products are cheap and can be exported to all countries what have a lot of companies A.
company B makes more profit pays higher tax
with this tax all the unemployed have to be paid.
this is modern slavery.
this is what happens now with the illegal workers and this is what will happen when robots are replacing even them.

have you ever been in the middle east? in dubai, abu dhabi, saudi arabia?

you should - because than you would see citizens with VERY HIGH prosperity and nearly none of them is working because 98% of all available jobs in those countries are done e by foreign workers from india, pakistan, malaysia etc.....

i was a few times there and i have NEVER seen even one native working (except some immigration officers giving orders to non native helpers).

go there look around and see HOW FUCKING WRONG you are.
and then tell the citizens there your idea - maybe they will hire you as a comedian
and you will get your own television show because they will love your humor.

I have been to Malaysia. That workers there are modern slaves, second class people for the Malaysian people, mostly Chinese.

Do you want that, cause what we need next than is gated communities with fences for the windows and everybody must be armed. Else i am sure they will have an uprising.

That very HIGH prosperity is only for the few. That will never work in social Europe. I hope it will never work, the times of slave drivers are over.

That is why i am also in favour of sustainable energy, no more depending on the arabs for oil. That is why they can hire their slaves.

And than some left people say the terrorism comes cause people don't get equal chances and education. And now the idea that we just must introduce a lower class who will do all the work cause that brings prosperity for the richer. What a great social idea. Maybe the asians slaves fall for it, the arab slaves will take the weapons in the end and take control.

maybe i must look for an Arab country to live, our minister once said that we must revive the VOC ages.

Busty2 08-26-2017 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21971505)
Because I used to work in a restaurant and unless things have changed trained staff aren't drug addicts. Taking from the bottom of the barrel you get the worse.

I don't think being a dishwasher in the UK gives you the qualifications to comment on the state of American restaurants. You verbal diarrhea makes me ashamed to be British.

Barry-xlovecam 08-26-2017 08:38 AM

Robots are slavish ;)

thommy 08-26-2017 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21971495)
And what do you do with all the people losing their jobs?

finding them others or when they are not high skilled enough pay them a bit money for doing nothing.

Quote:

Company B doesn't pay higher taxes being based in the Third World and locates their HQ in a tax haven.
you always forget one thing. all these trading differences are based on EXPORT.
what you want is to goive americans work. but with WHAT?
to who shall this products be sold?
a country needs to export and to export it needs a few high skilled workers and a lot of low skilled cheap ones. because without this cheap ones this companies will not export anything. and if they do not export they also can not pay the high skilled workes.

your and trumpīs ideas are KILLING jobs and not create them.


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Using oil wealthy nations as an example was beyond stupid.
explain me why that is beyond stupid.

you are one of them who want to give US coal workers a job. these people aree not that stupid there to make this work. they let others do it.

it does not matter WHAT a country have more or can do better than others but if have to be something.

if not they do not have the right to cry - this is free market and competition.
if a country like US (what are the founders of free markets and selfruling competition) can not survive with itīs own rules - i am sorry !!!

they have to learn than how this selfcreadet market works meanwhile.
hundrests of nations with less power can survive with it and creating prosperity.

but the point is that all of them have something what they can do better or cheaper than others or they have something what others do not have.

if trump build this wall and get the illegal out of US the country will suffer and cry because than they have to produce even more expensive and they will not find any buyer for an overpriced product.
and then? where does this money for high wages come from then?

answer me this question, mr finance.

answer me how americans with no export will buy a car what is double the price as before because no mexicans make the cheap work.

i am really looking forward in you genius maths and want to know how you divide zero through 350 million.

the only thing what you have a lot from is: NO CLUE

thommy 08-26-2017 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21971611)
I have been to Malaysia. That workers there are modern slaves, second class people for the Malaysian people, mostly Chinese.

Do you want that, cause what we need next than is gated communities with fences for the windows and everybody must be armed. Else i am sure they will have an uprising.

what you want to do with them? kill them ? they are here on this planet and their vision of life is a very other. they are working for food and not for a porsche.

and one day also they will be replaced from mashines, because machines are working 24/7.

but til that da comes what are you wanting to do with them?


Quote:

That very HIGH prosperity is only for the few. That will never work in social Europe. I hope it will never work, the times of slave drivers are over.
this is part of the world evolution. if there are no loosers there will be no winners.
what you try to defend here is called communism - we had it and we saw that it does not work.

Quote:

That is why i am also in favour of sustainable energy, no more depending on the arabs for oil. That is why they can hire their slaves.
i am with you - and i tell you what: THE ARABS TOO because they have been smrter as mr. trump ever was. they bought already the half industry of this planet and they will win again because each one of them is born as a business man. each one grow up in souks and knows how to barter.

[/QUOTE]
And than some left people say the terrorism comes cause people don't get equal chances and education. And now the idea that we just must introduce a lower class who will do all the work cause that brings prosperity for the richer. What a great social idea. Maybe the asians slaves fall for it, the arab slaves will take the weapons in the end and take control.
[/QUOTE]

you are talking about ideology and i talk about the real life.
and your ideology is left from the left because you proclaim the dictatorship of the proletariat - this si NOT FROM TRUMP - this is from karl marx and friedrich engels.
so i think you do not even know on wich side your heart beats and missmatched left and right.

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maybe i must look for an Arab country to live, our minister once said that we must revive the VOC ages.
alone the fact that you can afford to live in another country of your choice because the system that you want to destroy gave you the chance for education and making enough money should make you think.

in many of your views you are like paul - doing the opposite of what you say and taking like a communist who still did not understand that evolution is wanting people to compete with each other.
You preach water while you drink wine and you forgot wich system gave you that chance.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21971519)
WTF does Clinton have to do with Jack shit? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BTW

Fun fact:

A lot of immigrants are impoverished from South America, travel hundreds of miles to reach America, and in any other circumstance would be classified as refugees which we're legally obligated to take in by international law.

Mass migration didn't start with Trump. It's been going on for many decades.

I would rather they are impoverished in their home country than mine.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21971555)
no, it wasn't, and you know that

and if not: go read it up

OK, you got me. It was the USSR. My point is the US won't start shooting people, it will catch them and return them.

A Wall is the second best option. Passing a law that fines people $20,000 per illegal migrant they employ or rent a house to would remove jobs and homes. They will have no options but to walk back.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21971611)
I have been to Malaysia. That workers there are modern slaves, second class people for the Malaysian people, mostly Chinese.

Do you want that, cause what we need next than is gated communities with fences for the windows and everybody must be armed. Else i am sure they will have an uprising.

That very HIGH prosperity is only for the few. That will never work in social Europe. I hope it will never work, the times of slave drivers are over.

That is why i am also in favour of sustainable energy, no more depending on the arabs for oil. That is why they can hire their slaves.

And than some left people say the terrorism comes cause people don't get equal chances and education. And now the idea that we just must introduce a lower class who will do all the work cause that brings prosperity for the richer. What a great social idea. Maybe the asians slaves fall for it, the arab slaves will take the weapons in the end and take control.

maybe i must look for an Arab country to live, our minister once said that we must revive the VOC ages.

That is starting to happen. There are areas where poverty is high and areas, gated communities with high security, where the rich live. It will get worse.

In a Democratic Society, the options are clear. Leaders will emerge who the poor will vote for in huge numbers. Whether these are good or bad leaders is to be decided. Trump, Corbyn, Le Penn, etc.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 21971635)
I don't think being a dishwasher in the UK gives you the qualifications to comment on the state of American restaurants. You verbal diarrhea makes me ashamed to be British.

There are 100,000s of good restaurants with good staff. Your one anecdotal story isn't the norm.

Paul Markham 08-26-2017 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21971781)
finding them others or when they are not high skilled enough pay them a bit money for doing nothing.



you always forget one thing. all these trading differences are based on EXPORT.
what you want is to goive americans work. but with WHAT?
to who shall this products be sold?
a country needs to export and to export it needs a few high skilled workers and a lot of low skilled cheap ones. because without this cheap ones this companies will not export anything. and if they do not export they also can not pay the high skilled workes.

your and Trump's ideas are KILLING jobs and not create them.

If those companies are in China why should Westerners worry? We need to ensure balanced trade or lose our place as the worlds leading powers. With countries like China holding that position, we need to worry.


Quote:

if trump build this wall and get the illegal out of US the country will suffer and cry because than they have to produce even more expensive and they will not find any buyer for an overpriced product.
and then? where does this money for high wages come from then?
The jobs you talk about are disappearing fast.

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answer me how americans with no export will buy a car what is double the price as before because no mexicans make the cheap work.
Exactly. Millions of Americans can't afford to buy a car today. It will get worse.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...es-2017-a.html

Now retail is being hit by automation. You forgot to factor that in. So manufacturing is going and now retail is hurting. This isn't an over night process it works slowly and builds.

Paul Markham 08-27-2017 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21971797)
what you want to do with them? kill them ? they are here on this planet and their vision of life is a very other. they are working for food and not for a porsche.

and one day also they will be replaced from mashines, because machines are working 24/7.

but til that da comes what are you wanting to do with them?

Already happening. Good luck to the workers finding new jobs https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...es-2017-a.html


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this is part of the world evolution. if there are no loosers there will be no winners.
what you try to defend here is called communism - we had it and we saw that it does not work.
True. If there are no losers there are no winners. But if for every 1 winner there are 1,000 losers. Democracy has a way of evening that out.



Quote:

i am with you - and i tell you what: THE ARABS TOO because they have been smrter as mr. trump ever was. they bought already the half industry of this planet and they will win again because each one of them is born as a business man. each one grow up in souks and knows how to barter.
And fuck the rest. Great attitude.


Quote:

you are talking about ideology and i talk about the real life.
and your ideology is left from the left because you proclaim the dictatorship of the proletariat - this si NOT FROM TRUMP - this is from karl marx and friedrich engels.
so i think you do not even know on wich side your heart beats and missmatched left and right.
It exists and can't be ignored. If some of that poor people are Islamic extremists, they wil be easily turned.


Quote:

in many of your views you are like paul - doing the opposite of what you say and taking like a communist who still did not understand that evolution is wanting people to compete with each other.
You preach water while you drink wine and you forgot wich system gave you that chance.
We want controlled migration not uncontrolled. But then you ignore that fact to suit your agenda. Australia has a good immigration policy.

BaldBastard 08-27-2017 12:08 AM

So what happened to the millions of people around the world that were involved in Photographic processing? Every second shop in tourist areas used to process film, and then when digital first came out would print it.

There's none of that any more

According to Paul's theory all those people are now sitting at home out of work? And we never recovered from it.

Bladewire 08-27-2017 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 21972671)
OK, you got me. It was the USSR. My point is the US won't start shooting people, it will catch them and return them.

A Wall is the second best option. Passing a law that fines people $20,000 per illegal migrant they employ or rent a house to would remove jobs and homes. They will have no options but to walk back.

1) There are hundreds of tunnels already under the existing walls.

2) There is already 700 miles of border wall, broken in parts with natural borders.

3) Our Southern border with Mexico is over 1,900 miles long.

4) In 2016 Obama increased the fine for hiring illegals in America to $21,563

What is needed is increased border security and high tech monitoring of the border. I live here we know.

The government will not pay the money for manpower and high tech. A wall is the cheapest most innefective deterent and that's what Trump wants, the cheapest most ineffective solution.

Barry-xlovecam 08-27-2017 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21972715)
So what happened to the millions of people around the world that were involved in Photographic processing? Every second shop in tourist areas used to process film, and then when digital first came out would print it.

There's none of that any more

According to Paul's theory all those people are now sitting at home out of work? And we never recovered from it.

I like that analogy :)

Kodak licensed its trademark to Chinese electronics manufacturers.
Kodak still sells emulsion film and processing chemicals and supplies to the professional market. Fujifilm still sells to the professional market.

The digital cam market exploded -- every smartphone has a digital camera now. New technology brings new jobs. Social Media exists now because of the mobile Internet device. Change is constant -- just don't get left behind -- old story really.

Paul Markham 08-27-2017 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 21972715)
So what happened to the millions of people around the world that were involved in Photographic processing? Every second shop in tourist areas used to process film, and then when digital first came out would print it.

There's none of that any more

According to Paul's theory all those people are now sitting at home out of work? And we never recovered from it.

Some are working, some in low pay jobs, some are unemployed in the 9% which is the real unemployment figures.

Paul Markham 08-27-2017 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21972735)
1) There are hundreds of tunnels already under the existing walls.

2) There is already 700 miles of border wall, broken in parts with natural borders.

3) Our Southern border with Mexico is over 1,900 miles long.

4) In 2016 Obama increased the fine for hiring illegals in America to $21,563

What is needed is increased border security and high tech monitoring of the border. I live here we know.

The government will not pay the money for manpower and high tech. A wall is the cheapest most innefective deterent and that's what Trump wants, the cheapest most ineffective solution.

The tunnels need detecting and closing, the fines should be enough to fund more detection and return policy. Are you saying with 11 million plus that's an acceptable number?

Tasty1 08-27-2017 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 21971797)
what you want to do with them? kill them ? they are here on this planet and their vision of life is a very other. they are working for food and not for a porsche.

and one day also they will be replaced from mashines, because machines are working 24/7.

but til that da comes what are you wanting to do with them?




this is part of the world evolution. if there are no loosers there will be no winners.
what you try to defend here is called communism - we had it and we saw that it does not work.



i am with you - and i tell you what: THE ARABS TOO because they have been smrter as mr. trump ever was. they bought already the half industry of this planet and they will win again because each one of them is born as a business man. each one grow up in souks and knows how to barter.

And than some left people say the terrorism comes cause people don't get equal chances and education. And now the idea that we just must introduce a lower class who will do all the work cause that brings prosperity for the richer. What a great social idea. Maybe the asians slaves fall for it, the arab slaves will take the weapons in the end and take control.
[/QUOTE]

you are talking about ideology and i talk about the real life.
and your ideology is left from the left because you proclaim the dictatorship of the proletariat - this si NOT FROM TRUMP - this is from karl marx and friedrich engels.
so i think you do not even know on wich side your heart beats and missmatched left and right.



alone the fact that you can afford to live in another country of your choice because the system that you want to destroy gave you the chance for education and making enough money should make you think.

in many of your views you are like paul - doing the opposite of what you say and taking like a communist who still did not understand that evolution is wanting people to compete with each other.
You preach water while you drink wine and you forgot wich system gave you that chance.[/QUOTE]

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You must be bipolar. Doing you care about the environment, about people. But you think only in USD. Saying England / France / Holland has created their problems during the VOC period. And now you start creating that problems yourself in the year 2017. In Holland the left (and also some right political parties) are against for instance polish people that work for less than the income for a dutch man would earn. So, there goes your political views, people don't want that in Holland and i think whole europe thinks the same.

I paid for my onw study, the government didn't. Isn't that great that everybody can get a chance, but you want to keep people as poor as people as long as you can fill your pockets. I don't mind being more social than you and have more realistic ideas. We had the VOC period, but we learnt.

Realy, you have a strange übermensch fixation.


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