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Busty2 08-28-2017 10:39 AM

Chumps proposed budget cuts !!!
 
I wonder if he will go ahead with this now ?

Cuts FEMA state and local grant funding by $667 million, including the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Grant Program and Homeland Security Grant Program

NatalieK 08-28-2017 10:46 AM

anything to rob the US seems appropriate, one day Americans will wake up :(

EonBlue 08-28-2017 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21974749)

That is complete and utter bullshit. This storm is not unprecedented. It is not stronger or more intense than anything before. It is not even that unusual or unexpected.

Stop trying to peddle alarm through ignorance and lack of perspective.



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C H R I S 08-28-2017 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 21973603)

Jeebus.....

crockett 08-28-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21973897)
What are you talking about? The earthquake warning system?

No... the cell phone companies were supposed to update their systems so they could allow localized warning systems for things like flash flooding, Hurricanes, tornadoes and yes earthquakes..

It would give emergency services much more localized warning systems than what we have now.. but Trump's FCC gave them the pass...

C H R I S 08-28-2017 11:03 AM

Global warming is a hoax!!

Only 50 inches of rain .... thats normal.

crockett 08-28-2017 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21974815)
That is complete and utter bullshit. This storm is not unprecedented. It is not stronger or more intense than anything before. It is not even that unusual or unexpected.

Stop trying to peddle alarm through ignorance and lack of perspective.



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Wait like how you right wing bats claim every Muslim is a terrorist and every black person is on welfare.. you mean kinda like that?

crockett 08-28-2017 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by C H R I S (Post 21974833)
Global warming is a hoax!!

Only 50 inches of rain .... thats normal.


Totally normal! Nothing to see here! Houston can bootstrap they don't need any federal funds for such normal weather conditions.. I mean hey this happens all the time..

Rochard 08-28-2017 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21974815)
That is complete and utter bullshit. This storm is not unprecedented. It is not stronger or more intense than anything before. It is not even that unusual or unexpected.

Stop trying to peddle alarm through ignorance and lack of perspective.



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Congressman Cruz was just on the news calling this the biggest storm Texas has seen in five hundred years..... So I am guessing it is in fact unprecedented.....

NatalieK 08-28-2017 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21974841)
Wait like how you right wing bats claim every Muslim is a terrorist and every black person is on welfare.. you mean kinda like that?

:thumbsup :2 cents:

Bladewire 08-28-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 21973693)

Trump refused giving federal aid and declaring a state of emergency federal disaster here in California when the Oroville dam burst with 200,000 people displaced.

Trump was mad at our governor for calling him a fraud during the election. Trump also tried to Leverage California dropping its bill to make California a sanctuary state, in return for federal disaster aid for the breached dam.

The governor had to write two letters and pull many strings over many days to finally get Trump to release federal support, which California pays to the feds in hundreds of millions of dollars surplus a year.

EonBlue 08-28-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21974847)
Totally normal! Nothing to see here! Houston can bootstrap they don't need any federal funds for such normal weather conditions.. I mean hey this happens all the time..

The world is a mess because retards like you are so good at twisting words and ignoring reality. I wonder what it is like to live life as if it were a work of fiction.


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EonBlue 08-28-2017 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21974861)
Congressman Cruz was just on the news calling this the biggest storm Texas has seen in five hundred years..... So I am guessing it is in fact unprecedented.....

Your "guessing" at facts based on comments from someone you would normally discount out of hand is laughable.

Even if it is the worst in 500 hundred years doesn't mean that bad storms don't happen frequently. It just means this new storm has set the new record. It doesn't mean that all of the previous bad storms get erased from memory.



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EonBlue 08-28-2017 11:32 AM

Significant Houston Area Floods

List of wettest tropical cyclones in the United States (Texas)

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The most serious threat from tropical cyclones in Texas residents is from flooding, from both Gulf of Mexico hurricanes and tropical storms and the remnants of Eastern Pacific storms. The worst aspect about tropical cyclones is that the weaker they are, the more efficient they can be at producing heavy rains and catastrophic flooding. Systems with sprawling circulations, such as Hurricane Beulah, also tend to make good rainmakers.[93] Slow moving systems, such as Tropical Storm Amelia also can produce significant rainfall over the Lone Star State. Amelia's storm total rainfall is the most recorded within the contiguous United States.[94] Tropical Storm Claudette holds the national 24-hour rainfall record for the United States, with 42 inches (1,100 mm) falling within a day.[95]

And, predictably, lost in the all the media hype around this storm is the fact that it has been 12 years since the last major hurricane made landfall on the US mainland. And this current storm is the first cat 4 storm to hit Texas since 1961.




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baddog 08-28-2017 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21974759)
Of course it does. It has everything to do with Harvey.

RIGHT NOW this agency is tasked with telling us exactly what this storm is going to do for the next three or four days. This agency is going to tell us where the rain is going to fall, who needs to evacuated, and what resources are going to be needed and where.

And Trump wants to reduce this agency by 20%? To save money? Because, you know, predicting where hurricanes will land isn't important at all.

Too bad you do not understand English; or are you suggesting that something Trump WANTS TO DO (as in THE FUTURE) somehow affects something that is already happening?

EonBlue 08-28-2017 11:45 AM

Deadly Hurricanes Are Nothing New to Texas

History of hurricanes in Texas, by the numbers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropic...m_Amelia_(1978)

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Amelia and its remnants set several records for rainfall and flooding. The Medina River crested at 45 feet (14 m), breaking the record for flood stage reached on the river that was set in 1919 at 43 feet (13 m) as well as breaking the record for water flow, or the rate in which water flows down the river, at 79 billion gallons per day.[37][42] Additionally, the Brazos River had its highest flooding since 1957.[36] Records were also set for flowing on the Guadalupe, which flowed at 149 billion gallons a day, more than twice the previous record and nearly 1500 times its usual rate of 100 million gallons per day.[37] The storm total of 48 inches (1,200 mm) measured at Medina is the wettest known storm total rainfall amount for both the state of Texas and any tropical cyclone impacting the continental United States.[49] A 12-hour total of 26 inches (660 mm) of rain at Abilene was an extreme example of the precipitation.[3]


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crockett 08-28-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 21974777)
I wonder if he will go ahead with this now ?

Cuts FEMA state and local grant funding by $667 million, including the Pre-Disaster Mitigation Grant Program and Homeland Security Grant Program

He's doing these things because it then makes states dependant on him.. He is trying to cut out the checks and balances at every angle so everything has to go through him..

It's what dictators do.. Now he can make it all about "him granting" Texas money..

Trump will be removed by impeachment or by the people. One thing is sure he won't last 4 years.

NatalieK 08-28-2017 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21974913)
Too bad you do not understand English; or are you suggesting that something Trump WANTS TO DO (as in THE FUTURE) somehow affects something that is already happening?

it some how does Effect what is happening because the agency staff have still to be paid :2 cents:

crockett 08-28-2017 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21974887)
Significant Houston Area Floods

List of wettest tropical cyclones in the United States (Texas)




And, predictably, lost in the all the media hype around this storm is the fact that it has been 12 years since the last major hurricane made landfall on the US mainland. And this current storm is the first cat 4 storm to hit Texas since 1961.




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It's called global warming for a reason. I know as a wannabe MERICAN you think the world revolves around the US but unfortunately the climate doesn't.

There has been with out a doubt a increase of cat 4 and 5 hurricanes world wide. This has happened because the oceans are warming.

The reason not many has hit the US is because the weather cycles have not pushed them to us. We are coming back into the cycle where they come to the US..

You are using right wing failed logic aginst to misrepresentat facts. You cherry pick little parts of something while ignoring the big picture to claim you are right.

Just stop the bull shit.. I mean honestly are you so tied to having to agree with right wing talking points that you willfully enjoy making a fool of yourself? When science can easily prove you wrong?

EonBlue 08-28-2017 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21974963)
It's called global warming for a reason. I know as a wannabe MERICAN you think the world revolves around the US but unfortunately the climate doesn't.

There has been with out a doubt a increase of cat 4 and 5 hurricanes world wide. This has happened because the oceans are warming.

The reason not many has hit the US is because the weather cycles have not pushed them to us. We are coming back into the cycle where they come to the US..

You are using right wing failed logic aginst to misrepresentat facts. You cherry pick little parts of something while ignoring the big picture to claim you are right.

Just stop the bull shit.. I mean honestly are you so tied to having to agree with right wing talking points that you willfully enjoy making a fool of yourself? When science can easily prove you wrong?

My last reply to you because you really are a clueless retarded blowhard. You are generally the most obtuse irritating cunt I have come across. Well, maybe you and Bladewire are tied in that regard.

Anyways, try to understand this chart while you cower under your bed afraid of all the predictions of doom that are coming to get you. I know it will be hard for you to understand it so just repeat to yourself - "there is no increase in storm activity due to global warming". In fact they have been decreasing. Globally. Maybe someday you'll get it but I doubt it.

You are using [left] wing failed logic aginst[sic] to misrepresentat[sic] facts. You cherry pick little parts of something while ignoring [reality] to claim you are right.

Just stop the bull shit.. I mean honestly are you so tied to having to agree with [left] wing talking points that you willfully enjoy making a fool of yourself? When [reality] can easily prove you wrong?

http://i.imgur.com/FBt06GB.png




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Rochard 08-28-2017 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21974883)
Your "guessing" at facts based on comments from someone you would normally discount out of hand is laughable.

Even if it is the worst in 500 hundred years doesn't mean that bad storms don't happen frequently. It just means this new storm has set the new record. It doesn't mean that all of the previous bad storms get erased from memory.



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Local news just said over twenty-five inches of water has fallen on Houston in the past few days. They are expecting twenty-five inches more. It's possible we are only at the halfway point, meaning it's going to get much, much worse.

Rochard 08-28-2017 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21974913)
Too bad you do not understand English; or are you suggesting that something Drumpf WANTS TO DO (as in THE FUTURE) somehow affects something that is already happening?

I didn't mis-understand anything. Trump is trying to remove funding for the very agencies we are now depending on in a natural disaster. Trump has no idea what he is doing. He doesn't even understand what these agencies do.

EonBlue 08-28-2017 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21975057)
Local news just said over twenty-five inches of water has fallen on Houston in the past few days. They are expecting twenty-five inches more. It's possible we are only at the halfway point, meaning it's going to get much, much worse.

Sure, that is highly possible and extremely unfortunate if it does happen. But as pointed out above hurricane Amelia in 1978 dropped 48 inches of rain. Others were also quite bad. So again, this storm is not without precedent. It is not a new phenomenon caused by man-made global warming.



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baddog 08-28-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21974871)
Trump refused giving federal aid and declaring a state of emergency federal disaster here in California when the Oroville dam burst with 200,000 people displaced.

Trump was mad at our governor for calling him a fraud during the election. Trump also tried to Leverage California dropping its bill to make California a sanctuary state, in return for federal disaster aid for the breached dam.

The governor had to write two letters and pull many strings over many days to finally get Trump to release federal support, which California pays to the feds in hundreds of millions of dollars surplus a year.

Trump sent aid and declared TX eligible for federal aid a week ago.

Rochard 08-29-2017 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21975077)
Sure, that is highly possible and extremely unfortunate if it does happen. But as pointed out above hurricane Amelia in 1978 dropped 48 inches of rain. Others were also quite bad. So again, this storm is not without precedent. It is not a new phenomenon caused by man-made global warming.

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Hurricane Amelia in 1978 wasn't a hurricane at all, it was a tropical storm.

This is a hurricane that slammed into the coast, sat there, returned to the gulf, picked up more steam, and is about to slam back into Texas. Harvey has already dropped more rain than Amelia, and we are only half way through this.

Just to give you an example.... The damage during Amelia is $110 million dollars. Harvey is going estimated at $60 billion.

PR_Glen 08-29-2017 08:37 AM

There is very little ANY president can do to fix this situation. It is a natural disaster and it is terrible. blaming one person or anyone is kind of stupid at this point.

Rochard 08-29-2017 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 21976297)
There is very little ANY president can do to fix this situation. It is a natural disaster and it is terrible. blaming one person or anyone is kind of stupid at this point.

I sort of agree.

However, I think right now our President can be doing so much more. He's signed some papers to allow some aid in, great. However, there is so much more that can be done.

For starters, instead of spending the day on a photo op that won't even involve seeing Houston, why not stay in Washington DC and working with Congress on a massive aid package?

Then he can start moving forward on some more long term things...
- Stop talking about reducing funding for government agencies that can help during natural disasters.
- Stop telling us climate change isn't real.
- Set up some kind of national urban search and rescue teams so thousands of people can independently operate with their own transportation, food, water, etc, so they can operate for a week or so in floods. This would be similar to how California handles fires where local fire departments respond to large fires hundreds of miles away.

All Trump is doing right now is the basics - the bare minimum. He's been in this job eight months now, he is not new to this; He has the vast resources of the entire United States government at his disposal... He needs to gather his staff together and say "What can we do to help the people of Texas AND make a long term change where we can help people during natural disasters for decades to come.

baddog 08-29-2017 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21976409)
For starters, instead of spending the day on a photo op that won't even involve seeing Houston, why not stay in Washington DC and working with Congress on a massive aid package?

Hey Rockhead; you realize Congress is not in session, right?

I guess you forgot that there is more to TX than Houston, places that got hit first.

2MuchMark 08-29-2017 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 21974815)
That is complete and utter bullshit. This storm is not unprecedented. It is not stronger or more intense than anything before. It is not even that unusual or unexpected.

Stop trying to peddle alarm through ignorance and lack of perspective.



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And you're an expert, because.. ? And the results of your research can be found where?

I know its easy to hide your head and sing lala and pretend nothing is happening, but for fuck sakes man, you and other science deniers need to grow up.

Tasty1 08-29-2017 10:24 AM

This is how the Dutch build houses in areas with flooding problems (Surinam in this case)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/...8a5834.jpg?v=0

looks now like a donkey hitting the same stone every year.

EonBlue 08-29-2017 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21976267)
Hurricane Amelia in 1978 wasn't a hurricane at all, it was a tropical storm.

This is a hurricane that slammed into the coast, sat there, returned to the gulf, picked up more steam, and is about to slam back into Texas. Harvey has already dropped more rain than Amelia, and we are only half way through this.

Just to give you an example.... The damage during Amelia is $110 million dollars. Harvey is going estimated at $60 billion.

Yes I know that Amelia was a tropical storm. Does that somehow discount the amount of rain it dropped? One of the bits I posted further up actually said tropical storms can be more efficient at dropping lots of rain because of their generally slow moving nature.

And yes I see now that Harvey has surpassed Amelia. It still doesn't mean that it has anything to do with man made global warming at all. It's just a freak set of natural and unfortunate circumstances.


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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21976445)
And you're an expert, because.. ? And the results of your research can be found where?

I know its easy to hide your head and sing lala and pretend nothing is happening, but for fuck sakes man, you and other science deniers need to grow up.

I am not a science denier - you are. And worse still you are a denier of reality. You are in no position to be telling anybody to grow up when you approach the subject with the mentality and naivete of an 8 year old.

It should be really simple for you - look at the chart I posted further up. It clearly shows that there is no increase in tropical cyclone activity. In fact there is a slight decrease. Do you deny that or do you simply ignore it because it causes you cognitive dissonance?

It is naive zealots like you that are set to upend civilization based on a lie.



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crockett 08-29-2017 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21974913)
Too bad you do not understand English; or are you suggesting that something Trump WANTS TO DO (as in THE FUTURE) somehow affects something that is already happening?

Of course Trump not filling positions at FEMA and so many other govt agencies is not the problem at all. Obviously it must be Obama or Hillary's fault!

crockett 08-29-2017 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 21976447)
This is how the Dutch build houses in areas with flooding problems (Surinam in this case)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/...8a5834.jpg?v=0

looks now like a donkey hitting the same stone every year.

They build houses like that in the US as well in coastal areas, but usually even those get destroyed in these kinds of storms due to wind and the house being higher up. Hurricanes are not just flooding but also high wind.

Here are some specifically designed for Hurricanes in flood areas.. These survived because they were built for the high winds as well but as you see just being on stilts didnt save the others..

http://www.texasgulfcoastonline.com/...oldUptoIke.jpg


The biggest problems is older houses and local state govts with people who deny basic science aswell as allowing peope to build and develop land in places like that....

EonBlue 08-29-2017 02:48 PM




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Rochard 08-29-2017 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 21976441)
Hey Rockhead; you realize Congress is not in session, right?

I guess you forgot that there is more to TX than Houston, places that got hit first.

This is exactly my point.... Trump is going to wait until Congress comes back into session?

How about this instead... How about Trump figures out exactly who he needs to talk to in order to get this started, and demands they get on freaking airplane RIGHT NOW back to Washington DC to start planning this. Then if need be, call all of Congress back to vote on it. It's a natural disaster impacting the fourth largest city in the United States; Surely Congress wouldn't wait to take action. Right?

baddog 08-29-2017 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 21976989)
This is exactly my point.... Trump is going to wait until Congress comes back into session?

How about this instead... How about Trump figures out exactly who he needs to talk to in order to get this started, and demands they get on freaking airplane RIGHT NOW back to Washington DC to start planning this. Then if need be, call all of Congress back to vote on it. It's a natural disaster impacting the fourth largest city in the United States; Surely Congress wouldn't wait to take action. Right?

You have zero clue on how government works, do you? You think the President is the same as a king or something?


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