Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007925)

We would never have anything other than a democrat President. Ever. NYC and LA would be the decider of the election every time.

Originally Posted by Helix (Post 22007635)

The flip side of the coin for you to ponder.

I know you're a Hillary Supporter, but hear me out. What if you think she's the worlds nicest lady, but it turns out that Hillary, Wasserman Schultz and the DNC and others broke the law to derail Bernie's campaign and lied to you about it in order to win? What if she lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds
of love for her?

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22007937)

I disagree and the math agrees with me. This country has people living all over it and many of those people are all over the political spectrum. A candidate would have to focus on the country as a whole because focusing on California and New York only is a sure way to lose.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22007951)

Hillary is the most vetted political person in our history because of morons like you..

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007957)

Then how do you think Hillary got more votes by winning only 57 counties? She would have one by just those 57 counties out of the 3084

New York City Has More People Than Eight States
https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/15...-eight-states/


There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times
There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times

LA's population is larger than 42 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

Originally Posted by Helix (Post 22007635)

The flip side of the coin for you to ponder.

I know you're a Hillary Supporter, but hear me out. What if you think she's the worlds nicest lady, but it turns out that Hillary, Wasserman Schultz and the DNC and others broke the law to derail Bernie's campaign and lied to you about it in order to win? What if she lied to you about it? Would you still have all kinds
of love for her?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007883)

Mark isn't from the US. If he did any of the sort then he would be a foreigner meddling in a US election. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007917)

You know nothing of the sort. All you know is the same media sources that lied to you all during the election that has lied since the election, claims some anonymous sources are saying this and that.

The article you posted about Manafort supposedly selling weekly updates. So you think he's willing to sell information to some Russian billionaire but not his partner in crime John Podesta? BTW your source.. John Podesta is a contributor for the Washington Post..... Maybe he's the anonymous source? https://www.washingtonpost.com/pr/wp...=.f21fef76ccd8

He's been getting hammered by folks like me on WaPo linking him to Manafort.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22007951)

Hillary is the most vetted political person in our history because of morons like you..

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007957)

Then how do you think Hillary got more votes by winning only 57 counties? She would have won by just those 57 counties out of the 3084

New York City Has More People Than Eight States
https://politicalwire.com/2016/08/15...-eight-states/


There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times
There are now more registered voters in California than the population of 46 states - LA Times

LA's population is larger than 42 states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_An...ty,_California

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22007885)

But this is the way the Republican party operates. I used to be a hardcore Republican until the Whitewater investigation. During the Whitewater investigation they asked questions that were completely related to the investigation, and at a certain point they were just fishing - looking for anything that might make the president look bad. They didn't find anything, and all they got was forcing the President into a corner asking personal questions about his sex life that never should have been asked in the first place. It was disgusting.

Then with Hillary they've painted her as being corrupt and a criminal, when in fact over a dozen investigations has proven no wrong doing and no charges. These were obviously nothing more than witch hunts with the intention of making Hillary Clinton look bad. This is not how our government is supposed to operate.

Now we have this Russian investigation. We already know there was collusion between the Trump Campaign in the Russian government. This is no longer open to debate. We know that Jared was talking to the Russian government about communicating in secret. We have secret meetings all over the place, Manfort offering weekly briefings, secret meetings in the Indian Ocean, leaders of foreign countries secretly flying into the US for yet more secret meetings.

It's pretty obvious what happened. This is going to play itself out. Just today the investigation outlined thirteen areas were they want further documentation from the White House.

This is going to be bigger than Watergate.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008045)

They are anonymous sources because they would lose their jobs if they came out in public. It surely doesn't make them any less valid.

So far it seems that all of the information from anonymous sources have been correct.

Do I think Podesta is involved in handing out this information? Perhaps. I really think it's someone pretty high up in the FBI or CIA. It's Deepthroat V2.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22008035)

First, I asked you first. :)

Next, Allow me to clarify.

I'm NOT a Hillary fan. I am however, a Dem, and a liberal thinker. I believe the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton, and that Drumpf is an illegitimate president.

Did Hillary derail Bernie? Yes I think she did. Was it illegal? I don't know but if it was, people need to go to jail. If she lied about it? Yes then she's a bitch and if there's a legal case for lying about it then she should go to jail too.

Now. Will you answer my question to you, good sir? If Trump turns out to be a criminal and he lied all kinds of lies to you to win your vote, would you still love the guy?



I think you're right...! :)

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22008057)

These assholes just show their stupidity by not understanding why an anonymous source must be anonymous. When he hears the word anonymous, it automatically means some journalist made it up...unless the shoe was on the other foot and Hilary was president. Then journalists would be his hero and the most truthful people ever to walk the face of the earth.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22008055)

It'll be bigger than anything that's ever happened. Even bigger than 9/11. It's a major big fucking deal to have a president installed by our biggest foreign adversary with the help of Americans.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008063)

It also might lead us to war.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22007813)

Yep, just like everything else, you right wing conspiracy nuts always know the "real" truth..because Alex Jones has the inside scoope!

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008045)

They are anonymous sources because they would lose their jobs if they came out in public. It surely doesn't make them any less valid.

So far it seems that all of the information from anonymous sources have been correct.

Do I think Podesta is involved in handing out this information? Perhaps. I really think it's someone pretty high up in the FBI or CIA. It's Deepthroat V2.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008063)

If it turns out the Russian government helped elect a US president, yes, it will be the biggest event to ever happen to the United States. It will be bigger than 9/11, Watergate, and JFK combined.

It also might lead us to war.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22007819)

And now we find out Manafort wanted to give weekly briefings to a Russian about the Trump Campaign and how it was doing - and most likely what it needed help with.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.276ec4ec4dae

Why the fuck would Manafort - or anyone from the Trump Campaign - want to give Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate, weekly briefings about the Trump Campaign?

And for the love of fucking god, why would anyone discuss this in an email?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008087)

I'm now beginning to think the Susan Rice unmasking and the Manafort wiretappings are linked. All we ever got on the unmasking story was they were "caught up in surveillance of foreign targets."

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22007883)

Mark isn't from the US. If he did any of the sort then he would be a foreigner meddling in a US election. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22008237)

There was no unmasking scandal.. it was always nonsense used as attempts for distraction for guys like you to worry about so you could ignore the actual facts..

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008425)

I know it's hard to keep up with all of the crimes of the Obama admin but at least try
Susan Rice Admits To House Investigators She Unmasked Senior Trump Officials | True Pundit

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22008477)

Which was not a crime on her part.

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22008493)

If they suspected a political opponent was working with another Government to over throw the opposition, wouldn't it be more criminal NOT to unmask all those involved?

I mean your talking treason at the highest levels.

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22008493)

If they suspected a political opponent was working with another Government to over throw the opposition, wouldn't it be more criminal NOT to unmask all those involved?

I mean your talking treason at the highest levels.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008515)

Oh and BTW you peeps always seem to forget Hillary and Ukraine

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire - POLITICO

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008497)

They just used Manafort as the means to get to Trump. If during a tiral it is discovered a cop used an illegal means to arrest a subject such as planting evidence or illegal wiretap then how do you think that would play out in court? As in many other cases the charges get thrown out. Then the cop has to answer for his criminal behavior.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22008067)

Uhhh...no it won't.

Not with the president who can't say a single bad thing about Russia and a congress that can't pass a bill or wipe it's own ass.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008071)

Actually it's a felony to reveal details of a FISA warrant so whoever the leaker is, is a felon to be.. Likely already is but just another charge to add to the list.

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22008569)

Given what we know now they surly had enough information to slam Trump and others out of the election based on his/ thier "I have nothing to do with Russia" statements.

So if it was done out of political zest.. they surly wanted him in and not Hillary.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008581)

Imagine if it is proved there was direct collusion with the Russian government AND Trump is removed from office because of it. The American public would go crazy and demand we do something about it.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008075)

If it turns out the Obama admin and Hillary colluded in spying on and sabotaging Drumpf with this fake Russia collusion coupled with the Awan case you can kiss the democratic party goodbye for decades.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008075)

Right now all you have is a guy under investigation for something he's already been investigated for that had nthing to do with Trump. In addition his partner in crime in it was the opposing parties campaign manager.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008591)

No, not at all. What we have is an investigation that has nothing to do with politics, and started before Trump ran for office and before Manafort was his campaign manager. This isn't a political issue. It's a legal issue. It's about an American citizen working for a foreign government, hiding it, and then hiding all of the money he made.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008591)

Manafort is under investigation for a number of things, some of which is leading to direct collusion with the Russian government.

Yesterday it was discovered Manafort had offered to directly to brief the Russians on a weekly basis.

But it's a nothing burger, right?

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008581)

Imagine if it is proved there was direct collusion with the Russian government AND Trump is removed from office because of it. The American public would go crazy and demand we do something about it.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22008063)

If it turns out the Russian government helped elect a US president, yes, it will be the biggest event to ever happen to the United States. It will be bigger than 9/11, Watergate, and JFK combined.

It also might lead us to war.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22008035)

First, I asked you first. :)

Next, Allow me to clarify.

I'm NOT a Hillary fan. I am however, a Dem, and a liberal thinker. I believe the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton, and that Trump is an illegitimate president.

Did Hillary derail Bernie? Yes I think she did. Was it illegal? I don't know but if it was, people need to go to jail. If she lied about it? Yes then she's a bitch and if there's a legal case for lying about it then she should go to jail too.

Now. Will you answer my question to you, good sir? If Trump turns out to be a criminal and he lied all kinds of lies to you to win your vote, would you still love the guy?



I think you're right...! :)

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22008493)

If they suspected a political opponent was working with another Government to over throw the opposition, wouldn't it be more criminal NOT to unmask all those involved?

I mean your talking treason at the highest levels.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22008497)

They just used Manafort as the means to get to Trump. If during a tiral it is discovered a cop used an illegal means to arrest a subject such as planting evidence or illegal wiretap then how do you think that would play out in court? As in many other cases the charges get thrown out. Then the cop has to answer for his criminal behavior.