Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22032289)

BLM has never sided with Democrats. I mean for fucks sake one of their first targets was Bernie Sanders..

On BLM's own site..

Just a moment...

We do not now, nor have we ever, endorsed or affiliated with the Democratic Party, or with any party. The Democratic Party, like the Republican and all political parties, have historically attempted to control or contain Black people?s efforts to liberate ourselves. True change requires real struggle, and that struggle will be in the streets and led by the people, not by a political party.


Antifa is much the same.. They have protested Bill Clinton and Obama but you call them Democrats. You show how uninformed you are, when you make these kinds of dumb claims.

Also quite convenient for your "story" that you "just happen" to know a BLM member and a Antifa member who both conveniently jumped ship and now support Trump.. Get real and quit the bullshit..

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22032095)

Others will say we just watched the President of the United States use his power to silence US citizens who were exercising their freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22032143)

WTF does the Anthem have to do with it?

Black people speaking out? Maybe ya'll should speak to other black people about these newly released crime statistics and you won't have so much of a problem with the police.


https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-21

13% of the population committing 52.6% of murders and 54.5% of robberies? And you wonder why the cops are on edge when they get near you?

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22032097)

How about the players respect their country instead and/or take their pouting elsewhere?

Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 22032347)

This country is incredibly pro athletes. The support starts in grade school all the way through college with a shit ton of scholarships given as well.

People have become way too ungrateful for the basics these days. Everyone wants to be famous and everyone thinks they are entitled to this, that, and the other. Tell that to Nguendo in Africa who can't find clean drinking water and has to shit in an AIDS filled bucket.

I like your first sentiment about keeping politics separate from football and not overly politicizing everything. This seems right.

Are cops shitty people? Sure, some of them. Are cops amazing people, sure.. Some of them. Just like everybody else.

Nothing pisses me off more than reading about how disgusting racist pigs were trested black folks during the fifties. Those black folks were some seriously amazing human beings.

If they were alive today I think they would take issue with the alarming black on black crime rates vs the white cop on black crime rates. It's incredibly disproportionate.

Keep it real, you know black cats always ride dirty. Hip hop and shitty rap culture has invaded the brains of recent generation blacks and turned them into devolving retards. Same goes for whites listening to that garbage too. What a life without value.

I'm of the mind an unexamined life is not worth living.

Part of me sometimes really understands the overall "fuck it all" attitude of black cats towards the government.. But another part of me thinks they need to quit bullshitting themselves and look at the bigger picture.

I just watched a black friend of mine have his 5th child.. He has never done a single thing for the other four. But he started out strong with the baby.. Genuine love. Then he got jealous that his girlfriend makes all the money around the house and has to pay for his shit on top of all the bills (I say bills, I mean electricity.. They get free housing).

So every day he digs his hole deeper and deeper.. Until 3 days ago he turns around and starts abusing his wife, then waves a gun around the house talking about he's the man of the house and she has to do what he says.

Now he's in jail complaining she put him there. He can't keep a job for more than 3 weeks at a time and it always ends in some drama.

Love the guy but what a fucking dumb cunt.

Is it racist to say most black people I know act in similar ignorant ways? It definitely has something to do with parenting.

Of coarse there are dumb white people who do this shit too.. But again it's incredibly disproportionate. When I stand in line at the grocery.. I'm watching these black women pile their carts full of sugars and fats.. No bullshit, every fucking time.. EBT card.. And I mean.. Every fucking time. Country ass white guy walks to the counter, cash every time.

So when cats like you start repping shit about BLM there needs to be some concessions and honesty about black on black crime being far worse. Perhaps it's just me, but if a horse is kicking me in the head I'm not focusing on the ant biting my toe.

Is there any excuse for cops to kill innocent black people for no fucking reason at all? Fuck no, it's disgusting and I hope they burn in hell.. But let's face facts here, black people carry illegal firearms all the time and conceal them.

8 times out of 10 if a cop pulls over a car full of black cats around here, they are getting pinched for riding dirty.

When a cop pulls you over do what white people do.. Kiss the cops ass and do what he says. Grit and bare it. Seethe.

Btw, please shut up about the rebel flag already. It's obvious you don't have a clue about its real meaning. I see black guys in trucks repping the rebel flag in MS. It's a non issue down there for real.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22032097)

How about the players respect their country instead and/or take their pouting elsewhere?

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 22032777)

How about you showing some respect for the people of this country? Its not just black folks who want to see something done.

Originally Posted by Diomed (Post 22032347)

This country is incredibly pro athletes. The support starts in grade school all the way through college with a shit ton of scholarships given as well.

People have become way too ungrateful for the basics these days. Everyone wants to be famous and everyone thinks they are entitled to this, that, and the other. Tell that to Nguendo in Africa who can't find clean drinking water and has to shit in an AIDS filled bucket.

I like your first sentiment about keeping politics separate from football and not overly politicizing everything. This seems right.

Are cops shitty people? Sure, some of them. Are cops amazing people, sure.. Some of them. Just like everybody else.

Nothing pisses me off more than reading about how disgusting racist pigs were trested black folks during the fifties. Those black folks were some seriously amazing human beings.

If they were alive today I think they would take issue with the alarming black on black crime rates vs the white cop on black crime rates. It's incredibly disproportionate.

Keep it real, you know black cats always ride dirty. Hip hop and shitty rap culture has invaded the brains of recent generation blacks and turned them into devolving retards. Same goes for whites listening to that garbage too. What a life without value.

I'm of the mind an unexamined life is not worth living.

Part of me sometimes really understands the overall "fuck it all" attitude of black cats towards the government.. But another part of me thinks they need to quit bullshitting themselves and look at the bigger picture.

I just watched a black friend of mine have his 5th child.. He has never done a single thing for the other four. But he started out strong with the baby.. Genuine love. Then he got jealous that his girlfriend makes all the money around the house and has to pay for his shit on top of all the bills (I say bills, I mean electricity.. They get free housing).

So every day he digs his hole deeper and deeper.. Until 3 days ago he turns around and starts abusing his wife, then waves a gun around the house talking about he's the man of the house and she has to do what he says.

Now he's in jail complaining she put him there. He can't keep a job for more than 3 weeks at a time and it always ends in some drama.

Love the guy but what a fucking dumb cunt.

Is it racist to say most black people I know act in similar ignorant ways? It definitely has something to do with parenting.

Of coarse there are dumb white people who do this shit too.. But again it's incredibly disproportionate. When I stand in line at the grocery.. I'm watching these black women pile their carts full of sugars and fats.. No bullshit, every fucking time.. EBT card.. And I mean.. Every fucking time. Country ass white guy walks to the counter, cash every time.

So when cats like you start repping shit about BLM there needs to be some concessions and honesty about black on black crime being far worse. Perhaps it's just me, but if a horse is kicking me in the head I'm not focusing on the ant biting my toe.

Is there any excuse for cops to kill innocent black people for no fucking reason at all? Fuck no, it's disgusting and I hope they burn in hell.. But let's face facts here, black people carry illegal firearms all the time and conceal them.

8 times out of 10 if a cop pulls over a car full of black cats around here, they are getting pinched for riding dirty.

When a cop pulls you over do what white people do.. Kiss the cops ass and do what he says. Grit and bare it. Seethe.

Btw, please shut up about the rebel flag already. It's obvious you don't have a clue about its real meaning. I see black guys in trucks repping the rebel flag in MS. It's a non issue down there for real.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22032659)

respect their country by shutting their mouth and don´t use their right to protest?

is THIS respect to a country ???

people like stauffenberg are heroes today because they respected their country by trying to kill the leader.

and google a bit for the name Wassili Alexandrowitsch Archipow because without his disobedience your ass would not even exist.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22032797)

Who else wants to see what done? White people white guilting?

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22032065)

So says Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ffb_story.html

Personally, I think the way to end this mess is to stop playing the national anthem at sporting events.
The issue suddenly evaporates. Perhaps the NFL hears me ?

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22032703)

I'm not stupid enough to read all that shit.

Your Cliff's notes can always be reduced to "I don't like niaggz".

:1orglaugh


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Originally Posted by DukeSkywalker (Post 22032363)

Hold the phone..
1. I?m not some crazy redhat. I have no dog in this fight. I?m no where near as crazy right as you are crazy left.
2. I did not say blm embraces the dems, nor antifa. I implied the dems embrace the former. White guilt, whatever you want to call it.
3 i?m telling the truth.
4. It?s not often I post on politics. I?m sure you have my stats though. When someone actually is looking for discourse & get?s attacked, This. Is. Why. Dems. Lost.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22032065)

Personally, I think the way to end this mess is to stop playing the national anthem at sporting events.
The issue suddenly evaporates.

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 22032823)

I have family members who are black. I have friends who are black. I have an 18 year old nephew who is black. A cousin who is Arab-American.

I love these people. They are important to me.

You sir, are white racist trash. Not important to me.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22033395)

I say again, why do we need to have the national anthem at sporting events. It's not a government function.

So...
Let me put a different perspective on this. Forget football.

The Olympic committee is not supported in any way by the US government. We do not give our Olympic athletes money nor pay for any of their training.

They devote most of their life to being best at something.
Do they have the right to take a knee upon winning a medal ?

But I suggest you take a few and look-up the history of the anthem at sporting events. They did not always do this and probably should not continue to do so.

It's nothing less than forced worship. And one that nobody who is watching on TV participate in, and listening on radio also.

So if we are going to force a worship, it should be by everyone, not just a few.

I will not be forced to kiss the feet of your god while you just stand and watch !

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22033409)

I am old school, primarily because I am old. I like mom, pop, apple pie, xmas, the pledge, the anthem and most if not all American traditions. I do not see the need for anyone to abuse, politicize or repeal any of our traditions.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22033657)

I too am old. It is a new generations turn. Why will you force your way on them.
Let them decide for themselves as you were able to.

You are still free to celebrate in the way your tradition warrants. Nobody is stopping you from standing at attention and placing your hand over your hart and saluting a idol.
For if they were, I would have something to say about that also.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034055)

When I am in my grave then a younger generation can do as they choose. This is not now the nation that I grew up in and enough is enough in my opinion.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22034291)

Yes, I agree, enough is enough.
You want to force your will on others to do as you want while the whole time I am sure in your home you do not do the same as you are expecting of others.

I will not worship a idol just because it is your tradition. If I did it it will be because I want to do it of my own accord.

The largest right given to you in the 'bill of rights' of the constitution is the right of dissent.
That means the right to disagree publicly with the actions of your government.
Take that away and we immediately live in a world similar to N.Korea or China or Russia.
As all of the other rights come in jeopardy.

I don't have the desire to burn a flag. But if you wish to make it unlawful, I will do it everyday. I worship no idols !

I do worship a document that says exactly what and how a civil society conducts itself.
That 'bill of rights' the founding fathers felt so strongly about that it was a built-in function to prevent the Congress from changing it. For they feared this exact same knee-jerk reactionary from altering these core values.

You must also be forgetting that the reason the kneeling was done in the first place was to remember those that were not being treated as the constitution tells us they should be treated... which is equally... under the law.

Instead of that recognition, you would make it illegal to protest the government if you could.
Which is less American ?

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22034291)

Yes, I agree, enough is enough.
You want to force your will on others to do as you want while the whole time I am sure in your home you do not do the same as you are expecting of others.

I will not worship a idol just because it is your tradition. If I did it it will be because I want to do it of my own accord.

The largest right given to you in the 'bill of rights' of the constitution is the right of dissent.
That means the right to disagree publicly with the actions of your government.
Take that away and we immediately live in a world similar to N.Korea or China or Russia.
As all of the other rights come in jeopardy.

I don't have the desire to burn a flag. But if you wish to make it unlawful, I will do it everyday. I worship no idols !

I do worship a document that says exactly what and how a civil society conducts itself.
That 'bill of rights' the founding fathers felt so strongly about that it was a built-in function to prevent the Congress from changing it. For they feared this exact same knee-jerk reactionary from altering these core values.

You must also be forgetting that the reason the kneeling was done in the first place was to remember those that were not being treated as the constitution tells us they should be treated... which is equally... under the law.

Instead of that recognition, you would make it illegal to protest the government if you could.
Which is less American ?

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034375)

I will remind you the Flag represents the document that you claim to "worship". In my case I do not "worship" anything but I do respect both the document and the Flag that it is representative of the document. In the case of the Flag it represents more than just a document. It represents every man/woman that has served their country in uniform, those that lived and those that have died.

If someone in my presence disrespects that "idol" as you call it I will exercise my "god" given right to knock your ass out.

The kneeling began because of some blacks thinking that local city/county/state cops were wrongfully shooting their criminal brothers. I am not aware that Federal cops were engaged in this but there were probably some occasional shootings of criminals by the Federal cops.

So they kneel to protest the Federal Governments National Anthem or to disrespect the Federal Flag. When the Federal Government was not the ones doing the shooting.

That makes zero sense to me but maybe it does to you. BTW even if the kneeler's were to use another way of protesting it is not ever going to stop cops from shooting criminals. Just my opinion of course.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22033407)

There's a difference between being a racist and not feeling guilty because I'm white. You sir are a white guilter. Plain and simple.

Nothing will get accomplished if the core problem isn't addressed which is completely ignored in these discussions, and it has nothing to do with white people, that is unless they are the victim.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22034555)

The Constitution is everyone's Constitution.

The flag is a symbol. I do not worship symbols. Many of you want to create a parody of the flag means our troops or our documents or other things. Nonsense... If those words of that document are not honored, what exactly is it those troops were fighting for ? At that point that flag become a mere rag.

But we really are not talking about a flag, it was a anthem. How is a anthem a flag and a flag then our troops ? When the anthem is over, they rise and the flag is still flying just as it did before they took a knee.
You are like attacking the messenger... you don't want to deal with the root problem here nor admit one exists. I don't agree with all of the accusations made against the law enforcement community, but I don't see real progress working to a solution to the others.

The constitution is meant to protect everyone... not 'some people'
The cops being agents of a state or city are still governed by the US constitution.
We are a nation of laws.
Those laws insure equal protection and equal judgement for all, not some.
The moment you ignore any part of that, you are ignoring all of it.

If you wanted to defecate on the flag, I might laugh at you and advise you not to do it, but I would stand-up for your right to do it if anyone tried to stop you.
It does not change the words of the document I cherish. It adds true meaning to them.

But our men and women in uniform have not lost their lives so that I might be forced to bow and worship before a flag. And I always have honored them and what they do.

You can say it is a matter of respect.
If you want to be respected, act respectful.
When our nation does not act respectful, it is not respected.
Nobody is asking for more than to live-up to the words in that document.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034611)

I do not "worship" and the Flag is a symbol that I respect and have defended and I will again. If anyone disrespects my Flag or my country in my presence then I will use my "god" given right to knock them on their ass. That is my position in this matter. I do not like the traditions of my country being disrespected by someone protesting their criminal brothers being shot down by law enforcement. There are of course a few bad shootings here and there but by far most that I have personally witnessed or have seen on video are justified.

End of conversation with you. You have your position and I have mine.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034375)

That makes zero sense to me but maybe it does to you. BTW even if the kneeler's were to use another way of protesting it is not ever going to stop cops from shooting criminals. Just my opinion of course.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034611)

I do not "worship" and the Flag is a symbol that I respect and have defended and I will again. If anyone disrespects my Flag or my country in my presence then I will use my "god" given right to knock them on their ass. That is my position in this matter. I do not like the traditions of my country being disrespected by someone protesting their criminal brothers being shot down by law enforcement. There are of course a few bad shootings here and there but by far most that I have personally witnessed or have seen on video are justified.

End of conversation with you. You have your position and I have mine.

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22034633)

Which GOD would that be.
The one that says 'thou will not worship any idol before me' ?

You are a hypocrite

And would take the nations law and Gods laws and issue your own punishment as judge, jury and executioner because others will not conform to your standard that, as I say, you do not do in the privacy of home when nobody is looking.
Why isn't everyone who watches this on TV in your thoughts. Go punish them.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034787)

I am a simple person and react to what I like and in turn to what I do not like.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22032133)

You are trying to deflect. Stay on topic.

Trump actively attacked the NFL players for kneeling. That is what we are talking about here not other protests.

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22034801)

so let me ask you this: if the other site does the same and have another point of view what will you do?
who will have the last right ?

the smarter one or the stronger one ?

is a piece of colored material really worth it?

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034787)

You really are kind of amusing. I clearly told you that I do not worship and did you not see the word god in quotes. I do not believe in myths or the mythical. If you view me punching someone for disrespecting something that I respect as being a hypocrite then color me a hypocrite.

I am a simple person and react to what I like and in turn to what I do not like.

Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22034881)

I knew many that did all serving under that "piece of colored material" and for what it represents. To my mind it is they, among other things, that "colored piece of material" represents.