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sperbonzo 12-08-2017 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22105968)
No. The Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY again this year to do it. That means ALL the Democrats (your hero's) voted to do it.

EVERY Presidential candidate in modern times has vowed to do it.
Only Trump actually told the truth and DID what he promised.

It's not more complicated than that.

As for your dissertation on Jerusalem... as usual you are completely UN-informed.
Jerusalem was split in half in 1947 after WW2. Half to Israel (which became their capital) and half to JORDAN.

In the 6 day war of 1967 Israel captured ALL of that territory.

Jerusalem is the capital. You can say you don't "like" that. But it's a FACT and has been since 1947.

Jerusalem is one of the oldest cities in the world Rochard. And it's been captured and held by different people's 44 times over thousands of years. It's even been completely destroyed twice.

Lots of people can claim ancient possession of the city.
Just like Native Americans can theoretically claim ancient possession of your house.

But to the winners go the spoils.

Maybe if Germany had won WW2 instead of us...then none of this would be happening right now as there would be no Israel.
But we won. Get over it.

Yup. This. ^^^





.:thumbsup

Rochard 12-08-2017 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22105968)
No. The Senate voted UNANIMOUSLY again this year to do it. That means ALL the Democrats (your hero's) voted to do it.

Link. Give me a link that shows they voted for this. I couldn't find anything.

nico-t 12-08-2017 09:14 AM



"When President @realDonaldTrump announced that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he fulfilled another campaign promise, in addition to those that go back 25 years...."
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/statu...64482380509184

RandyRandy 12-08-2017 09:43 AM

If I had two nuclear weapons, I would use them on Israel and Saudi Arabia. The world would be a better place.

If I had only one nuclear weapon, I would use it on the US. While I'm in it.

It's all going that way anyway.

Rochard 12-08-2017 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 22107090)


"When President @realDonaldTrump announced that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, he fulfilled another campaign promise, in addition to those that go back 25 years...."
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/statu...64482380509184

This is amazing. They all said they would do it, and yet NONE of them did it. In fact, all of them signed waivers to prevent this. Not just once mind you - every six months.

Can someone explain to me why?

I can explain why.... It's a bad fucking idea. This is what they wanted to hear at these events, but everyone knows it's a bad idea. That's why it wasn't done.

nico-t 12-08-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22107186)
This is amazing. They all said they would do it, and yet NONE of them did it. In fact, all of them signed waivers to prevent this. Not just once mind you - every six months.

Can someone explain to me why?

I can explain why.... It's a bad fucking idea. This is what they wanted to hear at these events, but everyone knows it's a bad idea. That's why it wasn't done.

it doesn't matter, that's not the point. What you're saying is you prefer a president who says he will do something, and when he's in office he says 'fuck it, not gonna do it'! I know that is always how politics have worked: For example promising lower taxes to the people - nope not gonna do it!

It is insane to me that you rather have a presidential candidate that would lie right in your face of what they're gonna do when they're president, and when they're president they don't do anything what they promised you. Than a president who actually does what he promised the voters he would do.... Do you live in an alternate reality? Are you in an upside down world? Do you live in Bizarro world? Completely insane!

thommy 12-08-2017 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22105188)
The danger is it will damage the peace talks. What peace talks are they? Muslims and Jews will never make peace. Jerusalem was a Jewish City until it was seized by an invading army of Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_...alem_(636?637)

The Crusades tried to retake it. Now Jewish military might has might has triumphed. If you live by the sword you die by the sword. Muslims are bitching over the facts they can't organize an invasion force again. Well, not an effective one. The US taxpayers helped build the one they have.

your historic facts are right but if you look before 636-637 you will find another answer.

beside that - using your argument americans should give the country back to the indians.

usa and many other countries have officially stated jerusalem as the capital of israel but
with very good reasons they never made this official move because it was a negotiation instrument and something what the muslim world dreaded. now pandora's box is open and you can not close it anymore.

it is one thing if NK get blamed with UN resolutions and called "a bad place" but it is another thing to drop the first bomb on them.
and it is another thing to accept jerusalem as israels official capital or moving the embassy there.
earlier presidents did not do it because they have been light years wiser than trump.

from now on USA will sit in the same boat with israel - no matter what they do (and no - they are not only doing good things there).
USA will now be even a greater target for islamic terrorists and the islam fundamentalism
will spread much faster.

i donīt know if this guy did not learn from 9/11 and saw that you can not eliminate the fundamental terror with the strongest army in the world.
they are not an army - they are hundreds of millions and millions of individuals spread over the whole planet and many of them have an american passport and are born there.
they are not to beat with hate and weapons. they are not afraid to die. same as the vietnamese havenīt been afraid to die.

isreal got used to be a terror target 365 days per year.
USA will have to learn it from now on and you can thank you to trump who obviously is so dement that he forgot all the examples from the history and where they was leading to.

the really big question what should be asked is: WHO IS LEFT ON THIS PLANET ON THE SIDE OF AMERICA SINCE TRUMP ???
Isreal? - What is that in compare to BILLIONS of enemies ?

Rochard 12-08-2017 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 22107210)
it doesn't matter, that's not the point. What you're saying is you prefer a president who says he will do something, and when he's in office he says 'fuck it, not gonna do it'! I know that is always how politics have worked: For example promising lower taxes to the people - nope not gonna do it!

It is insane to me that you rather have a presidential candidate that would lie right in your face of what they're gonna do when they're president, and when they're president they don't do anything what they promised you. Than a president who actually does what he promised the voters he would do.... Do you live in an alternate reality? Are you in an upside down world? Do you live in Bizarro world? Completely insane!

No.

This is not I want a President in office who promises one thing and then says "fuck it" once in office. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did the wrong thing - they promised "X" and then failed to deliver. Instead I would much rather have Clinton, Bush, and Obama stand up and do the right thing - promise NOT to make this happen.

The reason they Clinton, Bush, and Obama said they would do it was because they wanted to show Israel they support them, but when they got into office they quickly figured out this could never happen. Our entire policy for the middle east is a "two-state solution". By doing this, it destroys our entire middle east policy - and there is so "plan b" here.

Trump - with all of his wisdom and political experience - just destroyed any chance for peace in the middle east.

This is exactly why all three past presidents did not do this.

Paul Markham 12-08-2017 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22107213)
your historic facts are right but if you look before 636-637 you will find another answer.

beside that - using your argument americans should give the country back to the indians.

usa and many other countries have officially stated jerusalem as the capital of israel but
with very good reasons they never made this official move because it was a negotiation instrument and something what the muslim world dreaded. now pandora's box is open and you can not close it anymore.

it is one thing if NK get blamed with UN resolutions and called "a bad place" but it is another thing to drop the first bomb on them.
and it is another thing to accept jerusalem as israels official capital or moving the embassy there.
earlier presidents did not do it because they have been light years wiser than trump.

from now on USA will sit in the same boat with israel - no matter what they do (and no - they are not only doing good things there).
USA will now be even a greater target for islamic terrorists and the islam fundamentalism
will spread much faster.

i donīt know if this guy did not learn from 9/11 and saw that you can not eliminate the fundamental terror with the strongest army in the world.
they are not an army - they are hundreds of millions and millions of individuals spread over the whole planet and many of them have an american passport and are born there.
they are not to beat with hate and weapons. they are not afraid to die. same as the vietnamese havenīt been afraid to die.

isreal got used to be a terror target 365 days per year.
USA will have to learn it from now on and you can thank you to trump who obviously is so dement that he forgot all the examples from the history and where they was leading to.

the really big question what should be asked is: WHO IS LEFT ON THIS PLANET ON THE SIDE OF AMERICA SINCE TRUMP ???
Isreal? - What is that in compare to BILLIONS of enemies ?

Everyone knows that if it were another country stealing land, oppressing a minority, the US would be up in arms about it. So why give Israel a free ride?

Is the answer based on race?

nico-t 12-08-2017 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22107225)
No.

This is not I want a President in office who promises one thing and then says "fuck it" once in office. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did the wrong thing - they promised "X" and then failed to deliver. Instead I would much rather have Clinton, Bush, and Obama stand up and do the right thing - promise NOT to make this happen.

The reason they Clinton, Bush, and Obama said they would do it was because they wanted to show Israel they support them, but when they got into office they quickly figured out this could never happen. Our entire policy for the middle east is a "two-state solution". By doing this, it destroys our entire middle east policy - and there is so "plan b" here.

Trump - with all of his wisdom and political experience - just destroyed any chance for peace in the middle east.

This is exactly why all three past presidents did not do this.

What peace in the Middle East? Sorry but the situation in the middle east can't get any worse than the invasions and it's destructive chain reaction to the world during Bush and Obama.

Paul Markham 12-08-2017 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22107225)
No.

This is not I want a President in office who promises one thing and then says "fuck it" once in office. Clinton, Bush, and Obama did the wrong thing - they promised "X" and then failed to deliver. Instead I would much rather have Clinton, Bush, and Obama stand up and do the right thing - promise NOT to make this happen.

The reason they Clinton, Bush, and Obama said they would do it was because they wanted to show Israel they support them, but when they got into office they quickly figured out this could never happen. Our entire policy for the middle east is a "two-state solution". By doing this, it destroys our entire middle east policy - and there is so "plan b" here.

Trump - with all of his wisdom and political experience - just destroyed any chance for peace in the middle east.

This is exactly why all three past presidents did not do this.

This illustrates the problem. America thinks it can affect the outcome of the ME. How is it doing so far?

thommy 12-08-2017 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22107285)
Everyone knows that if it were another country stealing land, oppressing a minority, the US would be up in arms about it. So why give Israel a free ride?

Is the answer based on race?

i think there are 2 answers

1. usa was, is and will be always governed by the big capital - and jews have it.
nearly all big us companies are driven by jews.

2. an instable middle east will cause more wars - more wars means more weapon
exports.
it will also cause a higher oil price and destroying protected naturalparks end up in the
the wallet of the big fracking companies (where trump not only holds shares but also is
partner in the pipelines what will be used).

if you understand how world economy works you know already all about us politics.
itīs all about money - individual life donīt matters in that game.

Robbie 12-08-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22107186)
This is amazing. They all said they would do it, and yet NONE of them did it. In fact, all of them signed waivers to prevent this. Not just once mind you - every six months.

Can someone explain to me why?

I can explain why.... It's a bad fucking idea. This is what they wanted to hear at these events, but everyone knows it's a bad idea. That's why it wasn't done.

Such a bad idea.
So is electing people who lie to the voters about what they will do.

This country isn't supposed to be RULED over by assholes who THINK they know better.
It's supposed to be the will of the people.

Sounds like you'd rather be ruled by a King.

By the way...since you're so knowledgeable and informed...WHY did the Senate JUST UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO MOVE THE EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM again? Just like they have for over 20 years?

You keep skipping over that and making excuses for liars and cowards.

Bladewire 12-08-2017 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22107378)
Such a bad idea.
So is electing people who lie to the voters about what they will do.

This country isn't supposed to be RULED over by assholes who THINK they know better.
It's supposed to be the will of the people.

Sounds like you'd rather be ruled by a King.

By the way...since you're so knowledgeable and informed...WHY did the Senate JUST UNANIMOUSLY VOTE TO MOVE THE EMBASSY TO JERUSALEM again? Just like they have for over 20 years?

You keep skipping over that and making excuses for liars and cowards.

Poor Robbie :1orglaugh

bronco67 12-08-2017 09:32 PM

Trump's action and words can only result in turmoil and strife.

Paul Markham 12-09-2017 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22105671)
Not at all. What happened in 637 is hardly relevant.

If a country - or a race - has been in place in a city for over a thousand years, that is pretty much that.

They are fighting wars from the 1,000 bc so the past is very much shaping the now.

However, I agree with you. Israel was a mistake and should never have been formed. Since it has been it has been nothing but a problem. All because the people believe in the "Harry Potter" bibles of nonsense.

Paul Markham 12-09-2017 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22107312)
i think there are 2 answers

1. usa was, is and will be always governed by the big capital - and jews have it.
nearly all big us companies are driven by jews.

2. an instable middle east will cause more wars - more wars means more weapon
exports.
it will also cause a higher oil price and destroying protected naturalparks end up in the
the wallet of the big fracking companies (where trump not only holds shares but also is
partner in the pipelines what will be used).

if you understand how world economy works you know already all about us politics.
itīs all about money - individual life donīt matters in that game.

! & 2 have been happening for decades. But you only notinced now Trump is in power. Why is that?

For instance Frcking has been around for how long?

Paul Markham 12-09-2017 03:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22107984)
Trump's action and words can only result in turmoil and strife.

Are you referring to wars started under Bush and kept going under Obama, with the help of Clinton?


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