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ilnjscb 12-30-2017 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 22140048)
Not me I ain't working for nobody unless I make my own hours and am obscenely excessively overpaid

Me either - these are the jokes my friend

CaptainHowdy 12-30-2017 03:51 AM

Where is GFY's pizza authority RandyRandy??

Dead 12-30-2017 05:10 AM

Are revenues stable or growing over the past 5 years?
Is net income stable or growing over the past 5 years?
If sales or net income have not been stable or growing; what is the reason? Can the slide in revenues/profits be corrected by you as the new owner? If not, then you should probably pass on the deal.
There should be low capital requirements or capital expenses (example: no new equipment needed; facilities adequate for operations and no other costly improvements or investment needed in order to operate the business). If it requires putting a lot more capital into it ... you may want to pass on this deal.
How is the business affected by local changes in the economy?
Will the next five years be different if there are changes in the local economy?
Are any key management or employee positions occupied by members of the family or close personal friends of the owner that you will have to fill as the new owner? This may or may not develop into personnel problems once you are the owner. Fore-warned is fore-armed.
What are the current practices and procedures for hiring, firing, advancement, and promotion? Do they conform to local, state, and federal regulations? If they do not then this is a negative. Make sure that you don't inherit any problems.

There are literally dozens (hundreds) more due diligence questions that should be asked as part of your evaluation of the business. You might want to visit your library to find books on how to buy a business or visit a local book store and buy a book that covers that topic. Educating your self is part of preparing to make a good deal and not do a bad deal that you will regret later on. Or search online for "help buying a business" or "business due diligence" will probably come up with additional information that might be of help to you.

Good luck with your acquisition plans; let us know if you have other specific questions and how this progresses for you.

https://smallbusinessonlinecommunity...om/thread/5662

MrMaxwell 12-30-2017 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dead (Post 22140171)
Are revenues stable or growing over the past 5 years?
Is net income stable or growing over the past 5 years?
If sales or net income have not been stable or growing; what is the reason? Can the slide in revenues/profits be corrected by you as the new owner? If not, then you should probably pass on the deal.
There should be low capital requirements or capital expenses (example: no new equipment needed; facilities adequate for operations and no other costly improvements or investment needed in order to operate the business). If it requires putting a lot more capital into it ... you may want to pass on this deal.
How is the business affected by local changes in the economy?
Will the next five years be different if there are changes in the local economy?
Are any key management or employee positions occupied by members of the family or close personal friends of the owner that you will have to fill as the new owner? This may or may not develop into personnel problems once you are the owner. Fore-warned is fore-armed.
What are the current practices and procedures for hiring, firing, advancement, and promotion? Do they conform to local, state, and federal regulations? If they do not then this is a negative. Make sure that you don't inherit any problems.

There are literally dozens (hundreds) more due diligence questions that should be asked as part of your evaluation of the business. You might want to visit your library to find books on how to buy a business or visit a local book store and buy a book that covers that topic. Educating your self is part of preparing to make a good deal and not do a bad deal that you will regret later on. Or search online for "help buying a business" or "business due diligence" will probably come up with additional information that might be of help to you.

Good luck with your acquisition plans; let us know if you have other specific questions and how this progresses for you.

https://smallbusinessonlinecommunity...om/thread/5662

That all sounds like good advice and good questions and I still wouldn't trust the normal conventional fundamentals people look at when we're talking about a transitional business

Steve Rupe 12-30-2017 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 22140078)
Your post history reads like a fake nick of baddogs. All political posts and a post about CA.

Not one single business post/thread. You've been here since 2016 but apparently remember me.

Sup baddog? How being broke treating you?

You are a liar about my posts but this is not uncommon for a known liar. I originally signed up within weeks of this board being put on line. With drew in short order as an active member as I was to busy to fuck around on a board but continued to view it from time to time. You made such an ass out of yourself that it would be difficult to have missed you posts, so yes I remember you. Your intelligence level has not risen in the least, still a whining piss ant and dumb ass.

money biz 12-30-2017 11:06 AM

My friend owned a pizza place and one of his drivers got mugged with a bat and sued him for $50k and won. Luckily Papa Johns wanted his lease and gave him a nice check for his space.

CaptainHowdy 12-31-2017 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by money biz (Post 22140582)
My friend owned a pizza place and one of his drivers got mugged with a bat and sued him for $50k and won. Luckily Papa Johns wanted his lease and gave him a nice check for his space.

Fuck ...

Busty2 12-31-2017 10:45 AM

There are tons of costs involved in opening or reopening a restaurant in California, and probably a ton more since i left 7 years ago. On top of rent or mortgage payments you have staff, workers comp insurance, building insurance, 3rd party insurance. Health inspectors costs, to get you a bull shit A rating ( used to be $500 a year but probably way more now?)

Grease traps. Electrical costs which are huge and ran me an average of $1200 a month per store. Each line cook or chef
(in fact anyone that handles food) has to have a food handling license. You pay for that.

And the real fucker is an ABC license. For just one of my restaurants in Mission Beach ( probably has more ABC licenses per square mile than any other area in Cali) where i wanted to sell 500 different beers, took a petition to 2500 local residents hand delivered and 3 years of written requests, even a personal request to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which finally paid off. This cost to me $40,000 in total. A hard liquor licenses used to change hands for anywhere up to $150,000 with no guarantee the ABC would allow the transfer. :2 cents:

Its a great dream owning a restaurant burger joint or bar, but remember 60 percent close or change ownership in the first year of business. 80% fail within the first 5 years.
I wish you amazing luck:thumbsup

JFK 12-31-2017 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 22141641)
There are tons of costs involved in opening or reopening a restaurant in California, and probably a ton more since i left 7 years ago. On top of rent or mortgage payments you have staff, workers comp insurance, building insurance, 3rd party insurance. Health inspectors costs, to get you a bull shit A rating ( used to be $500 a year but probably way more now?)

Grease traps. Electrical costs which are huge and ran me an average of $1200 a month per store. Each line cook or chef
(in fact anyone that handles food) has to have a food handling license. You pay for that.

And the real fucker is an ABC license. For just one of my restaurants in Mission Beach ( probably has more ABC licenses per square mile than any other area in Cali) where i wanted to sell 500 different beers, took a petition to 2500 local residents hand delivered and 3 years of written requests, even a personal request to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which finally paid off. This cost to me $40,000 in total. A hard liquor licenses used to change hands for anywhere up to $150,000 with no guarantee the ABC would allow the transfer. :2 cents:

Its a great dream owning a restaurant burger joint or bar, but remember 60 percent close or change ownership in the first year of business. 80% fail within the first 5 years.
I wish you amazing luck:thumbsup

the realities of it all ! :2 cents: :thumbsup

RandyRandy 12-31-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PamWinterReturns (Post 22139808)
A friend is a few towns over. He owned a pizza parlor, as he calls it, with a friend. Free delivery with $10 order and pizza was $8 then. Gas went up to $4+/gal and he still kept free delivery. He lost quite a bit in a month and went to $5 delivery, minimum order $25. He closed in March.

He said his losses
Pizza $4 to make, $8 price
Toppings .50 to make, $1 price
$4-$8 depending on area within 15 miles

Two pizzas delivered North cost them $16. Customer pays $16. Employee pay is a loss. Toppings earn almost nothing if employees have to chop, cut, slice or shred. Nothing earned on most overhead other than electric.

With. a delivery charge, three one-topping pizzas cost him $13.50, gas is up to $8, employee time is $15. Customer pays $$32 . Store loses $4.50. They upsell tonic err soda at $2.50/two liter so they make $2.25 on total order.

He tried no delivery but the area wasn?t great and people didn?t drive there. The handful of walk-ins made him a little but not enough. He had ?authentic? Italian pizza in an ethnic neighborhood (Portuguese). No linguica or chourizo ? cha-rees ? and boom. The location is still vacant.

Being just an investor is good IF you have a say in how it?s run. Great food, great appetizers, great atmosphere, kid friendly, date friendly, senior discounts and great parking are a must. Check the local competition, too, for coupons, specials, web deals, and visibility.

Good luck!

That formula would never work.

In NYC there are $1 slice places, so a whole pie is $8. But there is no delivery. And they only have stores in high volume areas. At that price point they use a fast food formula: 2.5% of walk-by traffic will make a purchase. It's purely a numbers game.

And you'll get killed if your food costs are 50%. That's more than what your cost of goods sold % should be - 40% is the top. That includes everything (condiments, napkins, paper plates, boxes, etc). Then you have labor and rent.

Last note: if you don't have these costs monitored and under control on a DAILY basis you will close. No room for error at those margins.

wehateporn 12-31-2017 03:20 PM

Not everything is about money, it is one dimensional thinking, Rochard is a people person, having a pizza parlour allows him to talk to people about stuff

Mr Pheer 12-31-2017 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 22141875)
Not everything is about money, it is one dimensional thinking, Rochard is a people person, having a pizza parlour allows him to talk to people about stuff

He should open a bar for old marines and hotrod guys. Maybe call it Hot Marine Rods or something. They can drink beer and talk about playing basketball and how many miles they biked that morning, and then work on an old truck and go to yard sales together.

PornDiscounts-V 01-01-2018 12:26 AM

Great way to make money passively

CaptainHowdy 01-01-2018 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 22141689)
That formula would never work.

In NYC there are $1 slice places, so a whole pie is $8. But there is no delivery. And they only have stores in high volume areas. At that price point they use a fast food formula: 2.5% of walk-by traffic will make a purchase. It's purely a numbers game.

And you'll get killed if your food costs are 50%. That's more than what your cost of goods sold % should be - 40% is the top. That includes everything (condiments, napkins, paper plates, boxes, etc). Then you have labor and rent.

Last note: if you don't have these costs monitored and under control on a DAILY basis you will close. No room for error at those margins.

https://universeisathought.files.wor...ightenment.gif

DownThePoole 01-01-2018 07:45 AM

A childhood dream....

DBS.US 01-01-2018 01:48 PM

Check out this place in Florida, Capone's Coal Fired Pizza

There is a glass floor and you can see into the basement
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mhtPYwPkDd...0/IMG_2013.JPG

druid66 01-01-2018 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22139460)
From our initial talks it is mostly a investment and management thing. I work full time, own a few other things; I do not have time to be working behind the counter. It's also a marketing thing - I am VERY well known in my town (people walk up to me and as if I am "THAT Richard Buss") so being involved with a local pizza place would be a big plus.

i don't know how it is in america but here in poland if you don't watch staff 24/7 they will steal from you when see opportunity. i've been in such business before - everyone steals, friends you consider closest - steal, normal employee - steal, basically EVERYONE steal but again, it is how it work here in poland.

i know i'm giving poland bad name here, but sorry it was my experience and i was kinda shocked cuz me personally i never steal from ppl.

i have no idea about your agreement with current owner but red lamp lighted in my head when you wrote this.

i would not do this but that's me.

all the best anyway!
D.

NETbilling 01-01-2018 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22139265)
Saturday I have a meeting with someone who is buying back his pizzeria, and he wants me to be a partner.

A local guy owns a few pizzeria and a few gas stations, and he sold the pizzeria down the street from me to his brother who promptly ran it into the ground. The original owner is buying it back and wants me involved....

Sounds exciting.

Hit me up. I ran several pizza places previously and my family owned one as well. Also, I can help setup your POS system and setup your credit card processing cheaper than anywhere else.

muthisdev 01-02-2018 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22139265)
Saturday I have a meeting with someone who is buying back his pizzeria, and he wants me to be a partner.

A local guy owns a few pizzeria and a few gas stations, and he sold the pizzeria down the street from me to his brother who promptly ran it into the ground. The original owner is buying it back and wants me involved....

Sounds exciting.

Want a third partner? Haha.

Grapesoda 01-02-2018 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Mitchell (Post 22139436)
Good luck!

Brad

same here, best of luck Rochard :thumbsup

CaptainHowdy 01-02-2018 07:29 AM

A Hundred Pizzas ...

Grapesoda 01-02-2018 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK (Post 22141662)
the realities of it all ! :2 cents: :thumbsup

yup and cally is a pro-employee state, not pro biz owner. thing is here if you can survive your taxes for a few years you might have a chance. and if you fire a guy you might be paying the rest of your life, cause the dude could be gay.

Brian mike 01-02-2018 08:12 AM

Ask a meeting with JIM
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Treliving

https://s13.postimg.org/gy8f5rwrb/th...crop.0x650.jpg

Joke aside Good luck :thumbsup

MrMaxwell 01-03-2018 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 22140138)
Where is GFY's pizza authority RandyRandy??

Shut up and stop posting imbecile

MrMaxwell 01-03-2018 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by druid66 (Post 22143261)
i don't know how it is in america but here in poland if you don't watch staff 24/7 they will steal from you when see opportunity. i've been in such business before - everyone steals, friends you consider closest - steal, normal employee - steal, basically EVERYONE steal but again, it is how it work here in poland.

i know i'm giving poland bad name here, but sorry it was my experience and i was kinda shocked cuz me personally i never steal from ppl.

i have no idea about your agreement with current owner but red lamp lighted in my head when you wrote this.

i would not do this but that's me.

all the best anyway!
D.

I'm a pole
We're not as dumb as fuckers say we are
Kind of like the biggest idiot at work use to be called TINY
If I have employees and they steal from me I'll ruin their life for ever they'll fuck the day in hell they ever stole my money I'll tell you that much

MrMaxwell 01-03-2018 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busty2 (Post 22141641)
There are tons of costs involved in opening or reopening a restaurant in California, and probably a ton more since i left 7 years ago. On top of rent or mortgage payments you have staff, workers comp insurance, building insurance, 3rd party insurance. Health inspectors costs, to get you a bull shit A rating ( used to be $500 a year but probably way more now?)

Grease traps. Electrical costs which are huge and ran me an average of $1200 a month per store. Each line cook or chef
(in fact anyone that handles food) has to have a food handling license. You pay for that.

And the real fucker is an ABC license. For just one of my restaurants in Mission Beach ( probably has more ABC licenses per square mile than any other area in Cali) where i wanted to sell 500 different beers, took a petition to 2500 local residents hand delivered and 3 years of written requests, even a personal request to Arnold Schwarzenegger, which finally paid off. This cost to me $40,000 in total. A hard liquor licenses used to change hands for anywhere up to $150,000 with no guarantee the ABC would allow the transfer. :2 cents:

Its a great dream owning a restaurant burger joint or bar, but remember 60 percent close or change ownership in the first year of business. 80% fail within the first 5 years.
I wish you amazing luck:thumbsup

I've heard so many stories about how horrible California treats businesses of all kinds
I hope they work on that so they won't be so broke

MrMaxwell 01-03-2018 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 22143822)
A Hundred Pizzas ...

Every time someone like you is allowed to communicate your inanity to anyone else God kills a deaf little kitten for masturbating
Damn you
Go fall into a hole

MrMaxwell 01-03-2018 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22143885)

That guy looks vicious the hell as fuck
I wouldn't fuck with that guy if I were anyone

MsCheyenne 01-03-2018 02:56 AM

Sounds like a good opportunity. There can be good money in pizza shops. The profit margin is respectable. And, who doesn't love pizza anyway?

directfiesta 01-03-2018 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22139460)
From our initial talks it is mostly a investment and management thing. I work full time, own a few other things; I do not have time to be working behind the counter. It's also a marketing thing - I am VERY well known in my town (people walk up to me and as if I am "THAT Richard Buss") so being involved with a local pizza place would be a big plus.

Come on Rochard, post a pic of your face on a bus bench ... pleaaase !

Good luck if you go ahead with the pizza venture .... still business to be done , people will always be hungrfy and eat :2 cents:

CaptainHowdy 01-03-2018 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrMaxwell (Post 22145109)
Every time someone like you is allowed to communicate your inanity to anyone else God kills a deaf little kitten for masturbating
Damn you
Go fall into a hole

Thanks for caring ...

directfiesta 01-03-2018 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam (Post 22139598)
Also don't buy/buy into the pizza shop unless you want to buy yourself a job basically. Think about the earning potential of 1 pizza shop and if you really want to spend your time doing that. If your goal is something to do because you're bored, while your passive investments make money... go for it. If you're trying to make a lot of money, stay away.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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RandyRandy 01-03-2018 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 22140138)
Where is GFY's pizza authority RandyRandy??

You're too kind!

Nice to see the Rochard empire expanding:

https://s10.postimg.org/mphjmlbsp/Sc...oid.chrome.png

All kidding aside, pizza is profitable but the real key to success is you have to have one person "who cares" in the store at all times. How you do that will make or break you. High pay? Ownership stake?

You can set up a shop beautifully and it might run on autopilot for a bit, but without that one key player there All THE TIME it will come apart.

Because I like Rochard, I'll give you a freebie: don't sleep on gluten free. Especially in California. If you can produce a high quality gluten free pie you'll develop a very loyal clientele. But gluten free pizza is tricky.

In all seriousness if you have any questions feel free to pm me. I'd be happy to help.

MsCheyenne 01-03-2018 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 22145574)
You're too kind!

Nice to see the Rochard empire expanding:

https://s10.postimg.org/mphjmlbsp/Sc...oid.chrome.png

All kidding aside, pizza is profitable but the real key to success is you have to have one person "who cares" in the store at all times. How you do that will make or break you. High pay? Ownership stake?

You can set up a shop beautifully and it might run on autopilot for a bit, but without that one key player there All THE TIME it will come apart.

Because I like Rochard, I'll give you a freebie: don't sleep on gluten free. Especially in California. If you can produce a high quality gluten free pie you'll develop a very loyal clientele. But gluten free pizza is tricky.

In all seriousness if you have any questions feel free to pm me. I'd be happy to help.

+1 Good Advice

rayadp05 01-03-2018 02:51 PM

Awesome! Good luck with it! :thumbsup


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