but the point is that WE DO KNOW IT now already because trump IS in office since a year and all he did are mistakes...

what you also mention in your next quote:

what this part is telling is that NOBODY ever believed that the motor of globalization can be stopped by ignorants. it is such an obvious (and one and only chance) to grow and it was the only motor in thousands of years experience in economy.

worlds wealth STARTED by trades with other countries and to stop that trades will have the opposite effect. it is silly to think that it can work different - prosperity would implode. we have THOUSANDS OF YEARS of approval for that.

and it does not matter if a country makes more and another less in one century because the laws of economy are waves with ups and downs. there can not be a winner if there is not a looser on the other hand. but a looser is not good for the economy so the others will automaticly take care that the loser can go back into the game.

this is what actually happening in greece, spain, portugal and even in countries what haven´t been on the list a few centuries ago.
look the growth of india - look what they imported from other countries 10 years ago and look what they import today. and imagine HOW MANY they are !!!
the same we can see in china and even russia with all the sanctions they are suffering is doing ok because they simply ignore the markets where they got blocked. the only one who suffer from this sanctions are the countries who can not sell to them.

it is fucking stupid to think that force will not result in back force.
if we use our energy to force each other it can not result in prosperity.
we should compete but respect when someone else does some things better.

Are you aware that you , like JoshuaMo, laugh at everything you yourself say? You have a constant nervous giggle. A nervous tic. It's a self deprecating laugh. It indicates insecurity and poor self image and submissiveness to avert punishment.

Just pointing that out...

This argument of free trade and globalization has been going on since before Columbus and will continue endlessly. Northwest Passage anyone? Silk Road anyone?

People want shit from other places, end deate.

it is really hilarious to watch: 8 years Obama = debt is bad!!!! despite the fact he became president at the brink of collapse and without the bailouts companies like General Motors would not exist anymore.

Now - 8 years of economic growth and sinking unemployement later - at a point where the really wealthy most certainly could afford paying their taxes (not even higher taxes, just close loopholes) - another 1.5 trillion debt are cool because an orange gibbon says so (sorry to all gibbons).

they are more familar with walls.
let´s talk about a silk wall.

So when the stock market comes crashing down.... Will we all blame Trump?

It was not a mistake.
All going into a big war, not a big deal.

as long it is your ass and not mine you are free to go in any war you want.

Yea, DOUBLING of debt from $10T to $20T = "No big deal, Obama did what had to be done" While increasing debt from $20T to $21.5T, a 7.5% increase over the next DECADE = "That idiot doesn't know what he is doing! Debt is bad and will lead to the collapse of the US!"

Hilarious to watch indeed. :1orglaugh

Hell noooo. They'll blame Hillary and open another investigation.

it's additional - adding to the debt that is created anyways. Like another 33 billion for a uselss border wall. or a 10% increase in a defense budget that is already bigger than the next 10 countries combined

let's watch it and i'll hear your excuses later

don´t forget the heaviest stone:
all that must be paid with LESS tax income !

I mean will be 1. point ))



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Eastern Europe or North Korea+China or the Middle East Iran+SA+Israel
Potential places for use tactical nuke.


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Clinton.

it's called a correction..relax...and stick to your far-in-jar coins

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Trump sycophant

We have a winner folks. :thumbsup:thumbsup

Today is not a crash wake up its just a correction based on rumours.

2nd fed rise is when all hell breaks loose, and clear as day Trumps policies have organised this for mid year. And even then its a nothing burger because its the rate hikes after that, and after that, and after that, and after that... that will do the damage.

Today was the largest on day drop in the history of our country :flagface

Things don't need "correcting" when they're being managed properly :2 cents:

Broke ass clown you have no clue how the market works.:2 cents:

And if you do realise then you also realise this is NOTHING compared to what's coming, DIRECTLY as a result of Trump policies and his political fraud.

All he had to do after Obama was hit twitter daily saying.. Buy American, Hire American, that's how small countries like New Zealand can have free trade agreements with huge counties like China, we don't buy their shit if its available locally.

The American economy was already in good shape, it didn't need stimulus but restraint.

BTW Aussie market followed USA yet.. RBA leaves rates on hold at record low 1.5%

Rates are on hold today, which makes for some easy profit making. USA falling on its own sword/idiot.

Maga!!!!!!!!!!

The biggest one day market crash in U.S. history. #ThanksTrump

correct - the real number are not yet on the table and stockmarket professionals als always only forcast to the next movement of the curve.

they saw the hype with announcement of the tax cut.
sure that this will make a nice short time effect.

now they take their money and follow the logic rules til the next step.

dump citizens think they are now in wonderland and they will spend money like fuck.
that will still bring a great next quarter result in national consumption.

followed by:

1. higher inflation - make the products more expensive and the local production smaller
   
2. rising interst rate from march on - that makes the dollar stronger and the exports will decrease
   
3. higher cost for production because trumps protectionism prefers the expensive production in the homeland instead buying the cheaper imprts
   
4. another increase of local prices what will eat already every benefit from the tax cut.
   
5. elimination of the tax cut profits for smaller and middle income in the next years. at this point smaller and middle households are already worse that they have been before.
   
6. people with no perspective well getting sick - but they lost their health insurance
   
7. sick and poor people will not be able to buy and the national consumption will be on the lowest level. while exports are already history because other countries jumped in the hole trump have opened.
   
8. the big american companies will move offshore to be competitive in a global market

after all that has happend, Canada have to think about building a wall to US because the number of american emigrants will be huge.

THIS is your future your wreck of a president is building for the US citizens while he fills his pockets and get all the necessary connections to build his towers, golf clubs and corruption companies OUTSIDE the USA.

have fun !

what i miss is now the tweet:

"I can make bigger crashes than anybody else"

it would be the first time when he would not lie while talking in superlatives

well ok then, I am giddy with anticipation looking out for signs of MAGA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Neither do you given the title of this thread that you started.

So are you still claiming that movements in the Dow are the work of the Orange Baboon ?

:(

Or do you think he should now resign because of his huuuuge failure ?

i am really looking forward how he explain now the way down.

hugo has a very nice phantasy in regards to economic facts and he will tell us for sure that this is just a short break. same as the bitcoin nutters told us since november that is is only a short break.

i enjoy to look from far the hard lessons they will be forced to take to learn that they are talking just bullshit and so far from reality as planet earth and alpha centauri.

btw: i did NOT expect that crash coming right now - it is not logic in the short term because the US economy booms and the next 1 or 2 periods you will see phantastic results from all companies that act only in the local markets. the only reason for that can be that everyone who have a logic economic brain knows that trump just got the last reserves from outside back and they will not last long.

Stock valuations should be based upon the companies ability to create short and/or long term value for its shareholders.

When markets move away from this basic rule irrational exuberance takes over, and a correction becomes inevitable.

Trump took the credit for creating the irrational exuberance.

Not too smart Donald.

:pimp

Market will bouncy back maybe even higher than 26k, hardly a reason for panic yet, just a warning sign.

possibly it will - but NOT on the longer term.
the bomb is already ticking and NOBODY can stop it anymore. not even trump´s impeachment can change that because the money is already in the flow.

crouch and wait for the bang is all one can do now.

I'm well aware of that but its not longer term, its happening right now before our eyes and a bounce back just adds to the issues. People and Governments have been over spending/borrowing based on artificially low interest rates and I'm guilty of it too :( I see interest rates being closer to 5% before we know it, and Trumps policies have just given them the kick start to move there... while deregulating banks. ^^ USA just brought a heap of cash back in to the economy, all but handed out billions in cash bonuses and cut government income. Its almost as if they are going out of their way to create a perfect inflation bubble.. at a time when individual Americans and the American government are in the highest debt levels ever.


It's madness IMHO. And before a Trump lover or your only friends.. Russians comment on that, as a foreigner webmaster making money in the USA, we will make more money as the USD strengthens, but its you the Amercian people who will be paying for that.

So thanks!

Well, you can review my 1st 2 posts in this thread (page 1) ...read'm and weep.

I know how the market works and I made money and know when to get out.

More money can be made by me in a 'boom-bust' market.
It's not good for everyone else.
I don't like it.
But I decided long ago to make money, you need to do the opposite of what everyone else is doing. 'Cause most times everyone is wrong and it's because they are being mislead.

I don't follow the crowd. I run from them. But it's all about timing.
I sold and shorted the market and made money on the down side.
LOL
If you can't beat them.... Oh wait... you can.
Thanks for the highly probable overheating the economy.
Future Interest rate hikes
Higher borrowing costs
Slower expansion
Lower corporate profits.

Without Boom-Bust, I would have to rely on dividends.

You didn't think they were going to hand those corporate tax savings to the investors in the form of a dividend did you ?
LOL

sorry i did a typo there - i meant it is NOT on the short term.
there is too much to make in the next periods and and there are tempting dividends to pick up.

on the longer term things look different - MUCH different and the question is if the money from the short thinkers is more or the money of the longterm thinkers.

what trump did was the most explosive thing a government can do. he has poured petroleum into an already strong fire and that has NEVER gone well.
the market WAS on the point to overheat already, what is kind of a natural emergency break. it is possible that the dow reaches even 28.000 til the end of the year but AFTER that he will fall UNDER the level of 2008/2009 and will cause a worldwide economic crisis.

bad than, that USA have already shot all powder what was to shoot while other countries saved in that time and tried to keep their markets away from overheating.

trump supporters can ot see that because they are living for the moment. they do not care tomorrow as long it is not here. but WHEN it comes they are the loudest one you can hear crying and for SURE they will find someone else who can be guilty for the mistake they made.

this countercyclical market strategy is not only correct it is also logic.
because to have winner it MUST have looser.
even when it often does not look like that in the start, the smarter and financial stronger ones will be able to generate losers because the have the longer breath.

one part of their capital will always be used to lead the the lemmings on the wrong track.

this is exactly a smart forcast strategy.
you never should go on a hype but know what is the consequence of it.

i always call that: sitting with my plastic boat in the dessert and everyone laughs about me - and they laugh til the water comes ;-)

this is EXACTLY what i have done all my life and I can not remember that it failed one time.

So basically you're always calling for a crash, completely missing all the huge run ups, and then of course.. you're right ...that one time.

Awesome fucking strategy, sprockets...stunning.

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i think you did not read or not understand what i said - but anyway i did not expect something else from you.

you can start to give me advises when you do not need to beg banks anymore for loans to buy real estate. I paid all my real estate from my pocket because i made the run ups and did not run behind them like you clown do.