Google is obviously tracking how long a visitor stays and if they return. Hence the big Tubes get most of the traffic.

sexmag.co

95% organic traffic. Another spammer that I saw ranking for everything. Google knows best :)

So I could dump a database of 100,000 videos and have 15 min stay on site. So what? Is that how to rank in 2018?

Anyway, what I want to say in conclusion is that many many small websites that I know of in different niches have been hit hard by Google, even though they weren't getting much SE, they were cut even more.

So I see a more overall monopoly of organic traffic and little guys are cut off. That means less uniqueness of content and more control for bigger tubes. Not to mention a LOT of SE traffic is going to CJ tubes that are just linking to the big tubes or other smaller tubes that pay for views.

But I guess Google doesn't care anyway of adult niche, it's the black sheep of internet search.

IF the visitors are real and google can track them it is an argument.
holding time and returning rate is indeed a factor.

but tries to trick that with bots and trojans have failed.

On all this websites where 99% is anyway embedding content from somewhere else HOW can google know wich one is the "original" ?

this is a point where you also overestimate the power of computertechnique.

Google can not compare billions of sites on their content and find out who is the original.

If you make it easy to copy you just can complain them to google (and as i said we have been ALWAYS succesful - sometimes it took a bit longer and sometimes just 2 or 3 days).

but you can also try to prevent the copy but that´s not easy with 3rd party content.

but even when there is no 100% solution the copiers will always look for the easier victim. so try to make it hard.

To be honest by 2 persons (just on this screen), those are just first 20 positions.

The list is much longer, but it doesn't matter, those sites are getting SE traffic and this is the proof that it works.

internet is the real life.
there is monopoly all around and the rules of reality marketing have been approved since years.

one man shows will not have a big chance in that game. a few ill survive but the big players have specialists for all and everything. there is nobody in the world who can be 100% in each little part of the biz.

there are people who know how to make a great website but don´t know how to drive traffic there - there are people who know about traffic but have no clue from website design or programming, there are people what are 100% focused on traffic monetizing.
what reason should exist that all those specialists should be kicked by people who are amateurs in the most things they are doing?

this trend was visable 15 years ago and i remember that i was fighting with webmaster who did not believe it. they swore in their strategies because they just did not WANT that things change. 95% of them are gone - i am still here because to WANT something is one thing - the OBVIOUS stream of a market is a very other.

sure it works - but it is the nature of things that people who are on the losing end always look for someone else who might be guilty.

overall there is not one user missed - general numbers in adult are stable.
only the cards are mixed new. but the number of cards is the same - just the order is different.

Are you a specialist at everything? Is that how you get good Google traffic?

I'm not being rude, it's a serious question.

LOL!

I have just searched in Google US for "adult webcams" and page 2 is filled with clear cloaking websites! Even the dumbest algo that comes from Google should see that:

https://imgur.com/a/g5ign

Someone care to explain how Google ranks such shit on page 2 for such competitive term?

I've also seen same situation for "webcam porn" etc. Shitload of cloaking sites ranking for adult terms.

Google is not interested in helping people find porn. That's obvious. In the past if you typed in "blonde milf porn movies" you would get pages and pages of listings from all over the Web featuring blonde MILFs fucking in porn movies. Now? Results featuring 3-5 major players (tubes) and the rest garbage.

Google is putting the burden of search back onto the surfer. So now you must search like this:

"blonde milfs wearing lingerie sucking a black cock doggy style porn movies creampie anal"

It's like with my Alexa Dot. If I ask her a question and it's not worded EXACTLY the way SHE can understand I get, "Sorry, I do not know that one." So I sit there trying seven variations until Alexa can find the right pizza parlor in my neighborhood.

Fuck Google already.

Yes, finally, someone that points out the exact situation that I see.

Google is like any other entity.

Like Thommy says, some logical and understandable approaches and policies.

But also possessing a dark side. Everybody looks down on porn and vows to clean it up AFTER they become popular with it. It makes Google look good to frown upon porn and publicly say so, and, back it up by pushing it further and further away.

So why don't they get rid of porn entirely? Because they are hypocritical, at least publicly. They know if they ban porn that porn surfers will FLOCK to Bing and Yahoo and that these surfers may just get used to it over there and stay. Porn surfers are people too, and use Google for mainstream search and so are profitable to Google that way. Google can't say that though because they have to uphold their moral image to everyone.

One solution is an adult only search engine. Not easy to pull off though.

Just got this from Google. I'm sure others have as well but here it is for those who may have missed it:

To owner of Fellucia Blow - Welcome - Erotic Blowjob Videos,

Making sure that your site?s appearance is optimized on Google Search is not a simple task. In order to make this easier, we are releasing a new version of Search Console. The new Search Console was rebuilt from the ground up. We have focused on surfacing actionable insights that are most relevant to site owners, and created an interaction model that guides you through the process of fixing any pending issues. We have also added support for organizational workflow via new sharing functionality.

In addition to making sure that all of your content is on Google Search, the new Search Console will also help you implement Google Search enhancements such as AMP (Accelerated Mobile Pages) and Rich Results (currently only Job Postings - but more to come).

In the coming year, the new Search Console will gradually reach feature parity with the classic Search Console. Until reaching that point, both versions will live side-by-side and be interconnected via links in the navigation bar....

There's more but that's the basic idea. So I think all this "re-positioning" is in part due to the new Search Console Google is rolling out in 2018.

Google just hasn't gotten that far. They will apply a filter to that sooner or later. You can count on that. In the meantime learn from those spammers and do it better than them. if you care to entertain free loaders.

They do that for religious reasons for the most part. Look at the charitable donations they provide to various churches. Look up the names of executives and check their religious background.s They do have an agenda against porn. I noticed that 10 years back and I am sure I was right about it then as I am today.

no i am not a specialst in everything but i am doing this biz since 21 years and i did it from each position one can do it and with my heart.
and because i know that NOBODY can have skills in all and everything i work focused on what i can do good.

my logic helps me here sometimes more as things i an read somewhere.
the internet is full of speculations and wrong information - that´s why one need to use his brain to see the essence.

no - i am pretty sure they do not have any agenda against porn.
but you have been attacked for years and have always tried to get the curve that you just do not have to lock porn content (as many other search engines have done this)

they stopped porn adwords (what was a huge income) just because they did not want to defend "freedom of speech" when they are making money on it.
believe me without this attacks against google they would still have porn adwords.

now they do not make money with it but they also know that they would lose a huge amount of users if they would not show it.
these guys are not stupid - they know the markets and the users but they have to survive
in the complete planet where you can not even find a handful of countries what do fight against porn.

IF google would take porn off - they would have MUCH LESS problems with governments and worldwide childprotecting organizations.
and IF they would decide to do that, they would do it in one single cut.

did you ever research how many different google indexes are existing for all single countries in the world?
they even have an agreement with germany to block each single porn site what is reported.

try to find the big tubes in google.de - they are not there - ALL are blocked !
but not because google blocked them for fun. it is an agreement between the german government and google to prevent that google gets COMPLETELY blocked in Germany.

before you saw a notice on Googles site that there are websited not shown.
Now they are not even allowed to show this link to lumen database anymore because Google was barred from a German court to even LINK to this database.

Here you can read a SMALL article about this shit.

Here some more

and more

and even more

and on and on and on

IF google would once give up to show porn - all other search engines (with much less power) would follow right away.

I do not agree with this part. Some may follow Google's ban on porn but they would have to crunch the numbers before doing so. Would they make more with Google's lost porn surfers switching to them? Would they make more if they banned porn like Google did?

I say they would make more if the smaller search engines kept porn. If they banned it like Google they would still be #2, #3 etc. But with the "porn bump" the gap between Big G and them would shrink. So I say they would double-down on porn searches, not ban them (Germany be damned; Germans know how to use a VPN anyway).

Boodigo got a lot of news coverage, doesn't seem to work though.

Ex-Googlers Help Build ‘Boodigo,’ a New Search Engine Just for Porn | Observer

There's been others in the past also.

I run a real adult search engine, bare metal servers, indexing hundreds of millions of pages for text search and testing image and video right now.

You can find it at https://node.xxx

However, even with the best technology and the best user experience it will only ever get less than 0.5% of market share from Google.

Google is part of the fabric of the way we live, it's woven itself into popular culture and the way we speak eg: Why don't you google it?

The best adult search alternatives will only get a minuscule market share compared to Bing, let alone Google.

spam???

this site is great for users, easy to navigate, clean, tagged with tons of self hosted content

i bet that your sites look spammy compared to this

thats why this rank so high, great simple site

@thommy

is there any way for a german hardcore xxx site to NOT get get banned from google.DE?
Thx!

Hopefully you are just joking. They are showing mobile version for desktop users and they show random videos for random keywords, basically tricking surfers. And as mentioned before, stealing traffic from other legit websites by spamming the domains keys.
Also direct traffic is just 4%, that isn't much at all. All backlinks are from mainstream websites and forums. That's why it went up so much in search.

you missunderstood.

i did not say that search engines want to ban porn. not one want that.
but they would not stand the pressure and better ban porn as to get banned completely.

google have a HUGE power and international influence and i really wonder how they could stand this pressure til today because it is HUGE.

don´t forget that google can be sued for every single local law they are breaking in EACH SINGLE COUNTRY OF THE WORLD !!!
and NOT ONLY google can be sued for that. EVERY footstepper would be in the same position.

THIS is exactly the point.

imagine ALL possible searches in the world (and not only porn) - imagine how many searches a normal user does and how many of them are porn related.

you can not throw Google from this throne and the few % who google would miss would be parted in 1000 cocurrenting search engines for porn.

would you klike that?

i don´t because i remember the times when you had to optimize pages for 10 or 20 different search engines. that was A MESS !!!

i think you missed the part that google´s MAININDEX is the mobile index since a while.
they do not care if you call a mobile page on a desktop because even there you can see it. the other way round it is harder and that´s why google decided a huge while ago to make the mobile index the FIRST index.

nope - but who know this market and these issues also knows how to deal with it.

all big porn domain in the de-index are kicked 1-2 times per year.
this is our "porn-dinner for one" - same procedure as every year ;-)

Yes, this is right.

Google use the mobile-first index and all (well almost all) ranking signals come your mobile experience, not desktop experience.

This is why page speed is so very important and why if your site is bad from a mobile point of view it's not going to rank as well in most cases.

The elephant in the room here is that links are still a core part of the Google ranking algorithm and this can still be abused. However Rank Brain is slowly starting to sort that out.

here i agree in parts only. because observations told me that this linkpower from trusted sources is not a long term help. there is still a little TR in the algo somewhere but as logic the concept of TR is as vulnerable is it.

if links are followed and not used it is a question of a few weeks til you see the power decreasing. after a while the receiving and the giving site is for the garbage.

spammers concept is to build new again and again but in the past years google got a lot faster - so it is a question of time until the effort no longer covers the income (sure there will still be a difference in expectation that´s why you see most spammers only in countries where a few hundreds dollars per months is still worth it).

i really think that this problem would be resolved within the internet economy much faster. but we did not really do smart things in the past 20 years what would help us to regulate the market at least on some basics. many cancer ulcers would not have come into existence if we had better self-regulation based on simple ethical principles.

i still wonder how this market still can exist because 90% of all actions in internet did only fuck the users and the competitors and eliminate the market instead to nurture and build it up.
but that is the war we are all in. let the better ones win.

https://gfy.com/21326611-post156.html

back in adult? :1orglaugh

its SERPs look kinda shitty. not surprising no one used it and I'm sure no one will.

I would never visit such website because: shitty layout (on desktop) and shitty content. And there are many websites where I simply hate the mobile version. I prefer the desktop version or the application in Google Play.

I also wonder, what will Google do if for example institution websites have no mobile version? What will they serve in first result? I can count hundreds of such websites where I live.

Not saying having mobile version is bad, but there is still some grey area to take care of. Also all new phones come with bigger resolutions, having to scroll down on mobile version of some sites is a pain in the ass.

I guess Google saw that they make lots of money via Mobile. I find more sales come from desktop users than mobile ones.

ufff that´s a yesterday statement - haven´t heard it for a while :-)

Well, it depends on the niche or product. In adult if people are going to pay for videos (which they don't do as much anymore) then I'd imagine that they'd want to enjoy it on a larger screen. Same with chat.

Dating can be either or, perhaps more so at a desktop at home if you need privacy.

Mainstream can be both with mobile sales being higher than desktop.

I also get more paysite sales from desktop users vs. mobile but I feel that is changing. I am changing my sites over to responsive designs and that's the solution I think. Find that balance between looking good on desktop AND mobile and then you are golden. :)

At least that's the working theory at the moment. :)

One possible source of the downward trend I would say is Tumblr. Tumblr used to be a treasure trove of porn and millions of backlinks came from there. Once Tumblr changed their policies towards adult and made adult pages not indexed in Google, links went down with it. This is not likely the only source, but you can bet Tumblr's change in policies had an affect.

WG

that´s the working practice if you fuck mobile you fuck 70% of your sales.

if you talk about mobile and desktop sales you have also look a bit deeper in the flow.
what you will observer than is that you get i.e. single opt ins with the mobile phone but the double opt in comes from desktop.
also you see many joins with mobile but the final payment is made on the desktop (it is even more comfortable to pay there) but the first contact is the one what makes you the later sale and this happens DEFINITELY today mainly on phones an more and more on tablets. i can even see a huge increase of sales through smart TVs.

the world today is not "a computer" it is a network of devices a user have and all this devices are somehow connected together.
you can even bookmark a side on your phone and find it later in your desktop bookmarks.

i tell you waht - i really made millions in the good times of mobile (good means easy to sell because it was new) but as much as i hate this shit (because it is quite complicated to deal with it) i would say NOBODY can survive these days anymore by ignoring mobile.
and i do NOT mean mobile as an own economy as it was before - i mean mobile as part of what a user is today.

example: do you really know HOW BIG the asian market is ? thailand, china, singapore, india etc etc... in this countries 90% of the complete internet traffic is made with mobile devices.
i still know webmasters who are blocking this countries instead of making money with them.

That's an excellent point! When Twitter follows suit then watch how the SERPs change. This is always the case when one of the Top 50 websites on the planet makes a change. It affects millions of users and definitely has a trickle-down effect.

Mostly I agree (see below). We reached the "tipping point" with mobile about two years ago. I noticed in my stats then how mobile was overtaking desktop in terms of traffic.

And yes indeed MANY people check out a site on mobile then re-visit the site later on desktop to confirm their impressions and make a sale. (This is also one of the reasons I do not like 'micro billing' via mobile, or pay-per-minute. The user experience is so much better on desktop.)

This is why I think responsive designs are better than two different mobile/desktop versions. The responsive should look good and the same on all devices.

But when it comes to China, India, etc? YES they are obsessed with mobile BUT they are (mostly) broke motherfuckers who either won't pay for porn, can't pay for porn or chargeback porn. Fuck them (and this is why most Webmasters block them).

yes that is the ways

a few years ago you would hear the same from me :-)

but a few billion broke motherfuckers can make a big mountain of shit.

AND in regards of mobile you should not only think about indians when you speak about india - the big difference between than and now is that in desktop times people where in internet when they are at home - now they are in internet wherever they are.

i could show you some astonishing results when it comes strategies what are targeting
geo-groups what are NOT in the geo.

just think in truck drivers, travelers, offshore workers etc.... meanwhile you can even reach them when they are sitting in plane.

THIS is what i mean with the walls and the windmills - there is something usable in ANY situation you just have to find it. most people are losing because they are glued on the bad in the bad.

if you find a peace of dog shit in the street don´t walk around it. take it home to your garden, plant a tree and fertilize it with the shit.

Heh I bet your wife loves that shit. LOL

But I do agree about India, travelers, etc. But I do not buy traffic. Again for paysites not that great. But I do get sales from Asia and india so I do not actually block them. Now Russia is another story....and Australia, those CB motherfuckers....LOL