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Paul Markham 01-21-2018 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NewNick (Post 22171441)
Paul, you are are potless failed pornogragher who never quite got the interwebs.

You had to move to a low cost country in order to have a reasonable standard of living. Which if you think about it is the ultimate insult to the migrants that you dispise. They are migrating in some cases just to stay alive. To escape war, famine, political persecution etc.

You migrated because you could get girls to drop their knickers cheaply. The irony.

With regards to my income and tax returns, I could buy and sell you a thousand times over.

Todays turnover for one of my companies will be more than your net worth.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rhRAF91_7jI/maxresdefault.jpg

None of which addresses my post. What does a migrant, unemployed, on minimum wage, on a low wage, doing the job a British man, of any colour, can do? Cost.

Here is what it costs you.

http://cdn.yougov.com/cumulus_upload...ants%20JSA.jpg

https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uplo...s-benefits.png

http://touchstoneblog.org.uk/wp-cont...igration-1.png

https://fournews-assets-prod-s3b-ew1.../11/05_dwp.jpg

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cp...claims_624.png

https://www.niesr.ac.uk/sites/defaul...credits(1).jpg

This is what it costs you to have so many leeching off the country. Look at the year, it's been rising steadily since then.

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In 2012, the British population numbered around 64 million, and the debt, therefore, amounted to a little over Ģ15,000 for each individual Briton or around Ģ33,000 per person in employment. Each household in Britain pays an average of around Ģ2,000 per year in taxes to finance the interest.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._GDP_ratio.png

Only migrants who can survive without ant help come to Czech.

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According to the last data point published, the Czech Republic per capita debt in 2016 was 6,795 dollars (Ģ4902) per inhabitant. In 2015 it was 7,144 dollars, afterwards dropping by 349dollars, and if we again check 2006 we can see that then the debt per person was 4,335 dollars.
My argument is purely financial, what's yours based on?

The Porn Nerd 01-21-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22172773)
while that may be correct if you just look at total numbers, you cannot ignore the huge inequality in distribution in the US

perhaps the most wealthy sweds, norwegians, germans etc are not as wealthy as the most wealthy americans - but you will also not see situations like Skid Row in LA or other homeless hotspots like Philadelphia

And no matter which president in the recent decades - i don't see the willingness to change the culture in general to a more caring society. The general american attitude is "it's your own fault if you are homeless, unemployed, drug addicted etc"

Meanwhile you can see in any other country that takes a more social caring approach, that it benefits the society overall.

The only problem with that is that you need to go outside and talk to real people, the internet has become a place that is to a very large degree an outlet for people detached from the real world and that virtually high five each other the more crass and derogating things you write.

See GFY as prime example.

Excellent points. Most Americans are sheltered, do not travel outside the US and spend their entire lives within 10 miles of where they were born.

Paul Markham 01-21-2018 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22171525)
would you like to know how prosper the german economy is with that ?

all what you praise here is already refuted when you look at the economy of Germany what did wrong in your eyes what they could do wrong. German debts are already on the way down and the social system is working better as in every other country.

out of that we did not CALL this refugees - ask the ones who are responsable for that.

Does not address my post. What is the cost of all the migrants Merkel allowed in?

German taxes. Who Pays More in Taxes? U.S. vs. Europe, Developed Countries | Money and when the UK leaves dropping corporation taxes will encourage more to German business to come to the UK.

https://www.economist.com/sites/defa...0_inc285_0.png

Paul Markham 01-21-2018 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22171534)
paul i think you did not get one thing on all the charts you are posting.

ALL this spendings there are producing INCOMES on the other end.

spendings are just not good when a country need to borrow money for that and pay interest on it. but the ones who are guilty for that are not alive anymore.
those were people like you are. they did give a fuck in the future and looked just on the today problems.

sure you can resolve many things today when you let your children pay the bill. and this is what you are doing.

So money in German's pockets doesn't get spent. Once again I shoot down your argument because it's stupid.

EonBlue 01-21-2018 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22172530)
what is new on that?

who said that these countries are great spots to live ?

and WHY donīt you see the advantage in that?

if you would have the smallest clue HOW an economy works you would know that THIS is the biggest chance the western world had to grow.

if you would really understand that and read the numbers you would know that your country is already fucked when all this "shithole countries" stop to buy from you.
AND: they do not buy from you because you are so great - they bought from you because they got credit lines - what they have to pay back later (with work - and work bring money - and money brings more consumption)

actually the "shitholes" of 30 years ago lend you money now and you need their production more as they need yours.

you will see in 2 or 3 years (because the effect of the present damages will need that time) HOW fucked you are already and HOW much trump fucked up your economy, your social structures (what are a joke anyway) and your society.

you want to ignore the world? ok than accept that the world ignores you.
go back to stone age and feel well. but i am pretty sure that the majority of americans will not allow longer this brainless politics.

I hope really that the day will come when a society is strong enough to throw people like you out to africa. than you can show how genius you are and build your own third reich ideocracy there. you can obviously do it better - than do it !

You are a complete whack-job.

Paul Markham 01-21-2018 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 22171696)
You are really ignorant to facts.

Not paying people their hard-earned wages is wrong and immoral and Trump is doing that by shutting down the government.

Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall.

Trump now says the government will shut down until Americans pay for his wall.

Hard-working American government employees will not get paid because Trump wants Americans to pay for his wall.

Do you understand that?

What do you think the stock market's going to do on Monday if the government is still shut down?

What did the stock market do last time the government shut down?

Democrats are as much to blame as Republicans. It was a decision made in the Senate. Where they will fight like dogs over and crap.

thommy 01-21-2018 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22172845)
So money in German's pockets doesn't get spent. Once again I shoot down your argument because it's stupid.

do you know what a domestic market ist and WHY it is so important?

and now take the foreigners who live in a country out - do you at least believe that this will hurt the domestic market?

do you believe that MORE people result in MORE consumption or do you think that germans will eat double as much as when there is no foreigner in the country ?

do you know that Germany ALREADY is in need of high skilled workers and do you believe that EVERY high skilled worker was born like that?

once again: there are countries who will go your way - in a few years you will see the difference because NOW you will not understand it and you DON`T WANT to understand it.

your theory is good to fuck a country up but not good to give it prosperity.
you do not understand the world as one big globe - you understand it only from the view of the mouse hole you live in.

Paul Markham 01-21-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22172911)
do you know what a domestic market ist and WHY it is so important?

and now take the foreigners who live in a country out - do you at least believe that this will hurt the domestic market?

do you believe that MORE people result in MORE consumption or do you think that germans will eat double as much as when there is no foreigner in the country ?

do you know that Germany ALREADY is in need of high skilled workers and do you believe that EVERY high skilled worker was born like that?

once again: there are countries who will go your way - in a few years you will see the difference because NOW you will not understand it and you DON`T WANT to understand it.

your theory is good to fuck a country up but not good to give it prosperity.
you do not understand the world as one big globe - you understand it only from the view of the mouse hole you live in.

Money controls consumption. Not the population. Otherwise, Turkey would be as wealthy as Germany. You really are uneducated in economics.

Paul Markham 01-21-2018 03:16 PM

Refugees and low skilled migrants devastate an economy.

Impact refugee crisis on Germany's economy - Business Insider

The economic impact of Europe's refugee crisis | Euronews

https://www.economist.com/news/finan...-wages-good-or

The last one is interesting. Europe’s new arrivals will probably dent public finances, but not wages That's because they won't be getting jobs. Normally migrants come to work and do effect wages.

But Thommy thinks the more people, the more money there is. :Oh crap :upsidedow

thommy 01-21-2018 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22173121)
Money controls consumption. Not the population. Otherwise, Turkey would be as wealthy as Germany. You really are uneducated in economics.

I give up - it does not make sense to discuss that with you.
you do not have the smallest clue of the basics of economy and you will never have it.

Steve Rupe 01-21-2018 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22173454)
I give up - it does not make sense to discuss that with you.
you do not have the smallest clue of the basics of economy and you will never have it.

Markham is uneducated and doesn't have a clue about almost all subjects he speaks about. He is and always has been ignorant and simply has learned to copy and paste but is ignorant about what it all means.

Robbie 01-21-2018 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22172839)
Excellent points. Most Americans are sheltered, do not travel outside the US and spend their entire lives within 10 miles of where they were born.

I'd guess that most Europeans do too.

Sure the ballers here on GFY get to travel a bit. But the normal working people in Europe? Highly doubt it.

Just watching Anthony Bourdain's CNN show "Parts Unknown" where he travels the world...I saw him in Sicily eating horse with people that was bought on a street market.
Looking at those people...they have never been 5 miles from home, much less 10. lol

It's easy to make fun of the U.S., but not everyone in Europe has a ton of money to go traveling all over the world either.

And I'd say that just as many U.S. citizens who DO have that kind of money travel the world as do Europeans who have the money to travel.

People living week to week trying to take care of their families don't travel internationally.

thommy 01-22-2018 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22173463)
Markham is uneducated and doesn't have a clue about almost all subjects he speaks about. He is and always has been ignorant and simply has learned to copy and paste but is ignorant about what it all means.

even worse is that he does not have economic skills. if he would, he would also search for other stats and economic logics.

he calls me dumb an uneducated - why he does not do the same with the IMF (as ONE example) who is full of economic professionals who see it same as i do ?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...economic-boost

are they also uneducated ?
wo than i would like to know why a economic genius like paul can not afford to live in his home country with all his great economic skills. normal he should be already the prime minister there and fix all the british problems with his easy solutions.

but apart from that the word "refugee" is not a word from the economic world. it is a word what describes a HUMAN disaster what can only be resolved by HUMANITY.

all these countries what are refusing to take refugees have signed the same contract as Germany did it. instead of standing to their word they are blaming a country who have this overload BECAUSE they have to handel it alone and without the help from countries who have signed for the same burden.

germany took a few million of this people - much more as it was prepared to take - and yes under this few million have been a few hundred or maybe even a few thousand what would not get in the country under normal circumstances (with help from the ones what signed for it).

the funny thing is that Germany did not only face a relative small number of terror attacks (the US and UK who took near to zero refugees faced MUCH more) - Germany came back from the financial crisis as one of the strongest economies in the world - even better as before.

Germany is facing the lowest unemployment rate since the reunion of east and west.

sure there are still problems - nobody said it is easy - and as I said, it would not be that hard if every other country would stand for what they have signed for.
but Germany will also manage that and will be able to grow AND help AND benefit.

so i really donīt know what he wants to tell us?

if Germany is such a bad example why is is than worldwide in the best condition of all ?

all that show me not only the missing skills about economy it also shows me the ignorance of facts. thatīs why it does not make sense to discuss.

btw: the sentence "Money controls consumption. Not the population." is the best example to show that he does not even have a clue what money is.
i hope his wife can teach him monopoly and when he wins, letīs see wich great idea he have to get consumption.

thommy 01-22-2018 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22173469)
I'd guess that most Europeans do too.

Sure the ballers here on GFY get to travel a bit. But the normal working people in Europe? Highly doubt it.

i searched some number for you

usa citizens travelling abroad (2016) = 37,4 million (aproximately 11% of the populateion)

german citizens traveling aboroad (2016) = 53,4 million (aproximately 62% of the population)

sure that is not representative for whole europe but the interesting part is the following:

citizens of right wing, populist, protectionist countries are travelling same or even less than us citizens.


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And I'd say that just as many U.S. citizens who DO have that kind of money travel the world as do Europeans who have the money to travel.
that would explain why i mainly meet us citizens in europe who hate trump.

kane 01-22-2018 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22173502)
i searched some number for you

usa citizens travelling abroad (2016) = 37,4 million (aproximately 11% of the populateion)

german citizens traveling aboroad (2016) = 53,4 million (aproximately 62% of the population)

sure that is not representative for whole europe but the interesting part is the following:

citizens of right wing, populist, protectionist countries are travelling same or even less than us citizens.




that would explain why i mainly meet us citizens in europe who hate trump.

A quick question about this. When it comes to Germany do they consider "abroad" as visiting another country, or actually crossing an ocean? I say this because in Europe you can hope a train and go just about anywhere on the continent pretty easily so it isn't hard to visit a lot of different countries, but in the US, not so much.

Paul Markham 01-22-2018 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Rupe (Post 22173463)
Markham is uneducated and doesn't have a clue about almost all subjects he speaks about. He is and always has been ignorant and simply has learned to copy and paste but is ignorant about what it all means.

I search the Internet to make up for my lack of knowledge. Do the sameand come up with proof you're right.

Paul Markham 01-22-2018 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22173493)
even worse is that he does not have economic skills. if he would, he would also search for other stats and economic logics.

he calls me dumb an uneducated - why he does not do the same with the IMF (as ONE example) who is full of economic professionals who see it same as i do ?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...economic-boost

are they also uneducated ?
wo than i would like to know why a economic genius like paul can not afford to live in his home country with all his great economic skills. normal he should be already the prime minister there and fix all the british problems with his easy solutions.

but apart from that the word "refugee" is not a word from the economic world. it is a word what describes a HUMAN disaster what can only be resolved by HUMANITY.

all these countries what are refusing to take refugees have signed the same contract as Germany did it. instead of standing to their word they are blaming a country who have this overload BECAUSE they have to handel it alone and without the help from countries who have signed for the same burden.

germany took a few million of this people - much more as it was prepared to take - and yes under this few million have been a few hundred or maybe even a few thousand what would not get in the country under normal circumstances (with help from the ones what signed for it).

the funny thing is that Germany did not only face a relative small number of terror attacks (the US and UK who took near to zero refugees faced MUCH more) - Germany came back from the financial crisis as one of the strongest economies in the world - even better as before.

Germany is facing the lowest unemployment rate since the reunion of east and west.

sure there are still problems - nobody said it is easy - and as I said, it would not be that hard if every other country would stand for what they have signed for.
but Germany will also manage that and will be able to grow AND help AND benefit.

so i really donīt know what he wants to tell us?

if Germany is such a bad example why is is than worldwide in the best condition of all ?

all that show me not only the missing skills about economy it also shows me the ignorance of facts. thatīs why it does not make sense to discuss.

btw: the sentence "Money controls consumption. Not the population." is the best example to show that he does not even have a clue what money is.
i hope his wife can teach him monopoly and when he wins, letīs see wich great idea he have to get consumption.

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IMF says refugee influx could provide EU economic boost.

Migration into Europe could lift GDP via greater state spending and long-term boost to jobs market with negative effects short-lived, says report
I'm intelligent to know the word could is will. And that extra government spending needs higher taxes and or higher debt.

As for more jobs, where are the vacancies going to appear with Globalisation and automation? https://www.google.cz/search?dcr=0&s....0.vSrociOYXSk

Thes people must be idiots to.

Paul Markham 01-22-2018 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22173502)
i searched some number for you

usa citizens travelling abroad (2016) = 37,4 million (aproximately 11% of the populateion)

german citizens traveling aboroad (2016) = 53,4 million (aproximately 62% of the population)

sure that is not representative for whole europe but the interesting part is the following:

.

Most Europeans can drive 200 miles od lass to visit a different country. Now compare that to Americans. You're an idiot.

Drive Across Europe: 12 Countries in 24 Hours - Inspires by Avis

https://geology.com/world/europe-map.gif

Boston to LA 3,000 miles.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tate_names.png

I link to articles to show I don't pull facts out of my ass and it's easier to show how little you know. You should try it.

thommy 01-22-2018 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 22173508)
A quick question about this. When it comes to Germany do they consider "abroad" as visiting another country, or actually crossing an ocean? I say this because in Europe you can hope a train and go just about anywhere on the continent pretty easily so it isn't hard to visit a lot of different countries, but in the US, not so much.

germans do not have to cross an ocean to see a VERY other culture.
btw. US citizens donīt have to do that either.
you have a border with latin america on the same continent.

but "far travels" are trendy since many many years.

I can not find numbers right now but I would assume that around 30% of all travelers
go on other continents.

another aspect is that i just told you about the number of travelers and not the number of travels what would be even higher because germanīs have quite a lot of holidays and many of them travel 2 or 3 times per year.

as i personally know a lot of americans what i met in europe, in asia and in the rest of the world I think I can also tell you that the average (travelling) american is something completely else as the group what represents usa here.
the americans i met personally i love and respect a lot.

i was growing up in a generation after WW2 what was mostly formed from american influence. when i was a boy i thought all americans are superman.
and i still WANT TO BELIEVE that the majority of them are because without america the world would not be the same place. many great inventions came from there - even when they where made from immigrants. but the freedom of america and the curiosity of america gave them the chance to do it. this is what i STILL respect this country for.

but the USA are on a dangerous way and there are a lot of things to fix (not only since trump). one of it is the free education what is necessary to give democracy a sense and to let EDUCATED people decide who should lead a country.

this is not the case because in the country who INVENTED modern marketing only a small minority knows what a market is and what the rules of economy are.
in this case (were you should be number 1 in the world) the rest of the world has overtaken america.

even in african countries kids get get this type of education for free. thatīs why african immigrants to the US are among the most educated groups in the usa. 48.9 percent of all african immigrants hold a college diploma what is more than double the rate of native-born white americans, and nearly four times the rate of native-born african americans.

so fix your problems at the roots !

thommy 01-22-2018 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22173523)
Most Europeans can drive 200 miles od lass to visit a different country. Now compare that to Americans. You're an idiot.

Drive Across Europe: 12 Countries in 24 Hours - Inspires by Avis

https://geology.com/world/europe-map.gif

Boston to LA 3,000 miles.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tate_names.png

I link to articles to show I don't pull facts out of my ass and it's easier to show how little you know. You should try it.

let the "idiot" fill your dark and uneducated world with wisdom

https://www.newsdeeply.com/refugees/...pting-refugees

https://www.theguardian.com/business...economic-boost

https://phys.org/news/2016-06-refuge...countries.html

https://euobserver.com/business/133474

what a shame that all those people who studied economy and doing the whole day nothing else than research and reading statistics are ALL DUMBER THAN YOU.

paul you are an old dumb fart with NO CLUE of anything you write about.

we all love you as the semi professional porn producer you have been - because you made the best from what you are able to do.
donīt show up now and tell us that you know how to fix the problems of the world with the skills of a semi professional cunt photographer.

you might know something about pussies - so better tell us something about that and find some stats that proves that you have done your life's work for the good of humanity.

you arenīt good for anything else - live with it.

btw - THIS DUMBSHIT needs an extra answer:

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Most Europeans can drive 200 miles od lass to visit a different country. Now compare that to Americans. You're an idiot.
this is one of your DUMBEST STATEMENTS you ever made.

if i understand that correct this is the reason why the ones who do not KNOW the world (because it is too far) can RULE the world and KNOW what is the best for the world?

paul YOU are the idiot !

MsCheyenne 01-22-2018 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22170943)
Not Much will actually 'close'.
Even when they get past this, the next hurdle will be raising the debt ceiling to borrow the money they are not collecting in taxes anymore.
So, I expect 'FEES' to go up since they will not agree on what to cut.
Everything they ever told us of how important it is to move to a 'balanced budget' is out the window.
All credibility has been flushed down the drain.
Elect more independents ! Deny both a majority.
Things will actually change.

This is a quote from John Adams. George Washington also spoke out against a two party system.

"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

pimpmaster9000 01-22-2018 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22172788)
I love migrants who bring value to a country. The NHS wouldn't be able to function without foreign nurses, doctors, surgeons. I just think migrants who suck from a country should be kept out.

But the idea of filtering migrants is too complicated for you tiny racist brain.

paul you did not bring value you went to exploit and promote your own personal financial agenda...just like illegals...you are the poster boy for "low skilled migrant leech" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thommy 01-22-2018 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MsCheyenne (Post 22173580)
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution."

words of wisdom

Paul Markham 01-22-2018 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22173544)
let the "idiot" fill your dark and uneducated world with wisdom

https://www.newsdeeply.com/refugees/...pting-refugees

https://www.theguardian.com/business...economic-boost

https://phys.org/news/2016-06-refuge...countries.html

https://euobserver.com/business/133474

what a shame that all those people who studied economy and doing the whole day nothing else than research and reading statistics are ALL DUMBER THAN YOU.

paul you are an old dumb fart with NO CLUE of anything you write about.

we all love you as the semi professional porn producer you have been - because you made the best from what you are able to do.
donīt show up now and tell us that you know how to fix the problems of the world with the skills of a semi professional cunt photographer.

you might know something about pussies - so better tell us something about that and find some stats that proves that you have done your life's work for the good of humanity.

you arenīt good for anything else - live with it.


https://www.google.cz/search?dcr=0&s....0.Xcy2L2HXG2g

Reread https://www.theguardian.com/business...economic-boost it's full of if's and says they have to build houses, who will pay for them?

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The researchers used economic modeling methods, based on local surveys, to simulate the impact of the refugees on the host-country economy within a 10-km radius of the three refugee camps. They found that cash aid to the refugees had a greater positive impact on the host nation's economy than did in-kind food aid.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2016-06-refuge...tries.html#jCp
Which money tree does the aid come from?


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this is one of your DUMBEST STATEMENTS you ever made.

if i understand that correct this is the reason why the ones who do not KNOW the world (because it is too far) can RULE the world and KNOW what is the best for the world?
That's not what you said.

I would agree with you that most Americans are uneducated about what happens outside the US. But they don't go abroad because of the size of America and the holiday options.

MaDalton 01-22-2018 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22173469)
I'd guess that most Europeans do too.

Sure the ballers here on GFY get to travel a bit. But the normal working people in Europe? Highly doubt it.

Just watching Anthony Bourdain's CNN show "Parts Unknown" where he travels the world...I saw him in Sicily eating horse with people that was bought on a street market.
Looking at those people...they have never been 5 miles from home, much less 10. lol

It's easy to make fun of the U.S., but not everyone in Europe has a ton of money to go traveling all over the world either.

And I'd say that just as many U.S. citizens who DO have that kind of money travel the world as do Europeans who have the money to travel.

People living week to week trying to take care of their families don't travel internationally.

well - at least on mainland Europe it's much easier than in the US - I can travel 5-6 different countries (and cultures) in one day if i wanted to

but on the other hand i have been recently to some small villages in Scotland that probably didn't change much for the last hundreds of years and I now understand better that those people really don't care much about things like gender equality, gay marriage or other "liberal" talking points

2MuchMark 01-22-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22172395)
Let's get real- illegal immigrants cost taxpayers 120 Billion / year.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-soc...p-the-economy/

NewNick 01-22-2018 08:24 AM

Jesus.

I nearly replied to Markham again.

I really must try and control these futile self destructive urges.

Pings elastic band around wrist.

ilnjscb 01-22-2018 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22172773)
while that may be correct if you just look at total numbers, you cannot ignore the huge inequality in distribution in the US

perhaps the most wealthy sweds, norwegians, germans etc are not as wealthy as the most wealthy americans - but you will also not see situations like Skid Row in LA or other homeless hotspots like Philadelphia

And no matter which president in the recent decades - i don't see the willingness to change the culture in general to a more caring society. The general american attitude is "it's your own fault if you are homeless, unemployed, drug addicted etc"

Meanwhile you can see in any other country that takes a more social caring approach, that it benefits the society overall.

I agree with you 100% about wealth inequality. I also agree with you about - mostly - the uncaring attitude.

However, this post was on US global position, not individual wealth and welfare. Note that in Victorian England wealth inequality was even greater, yet this small island ran half the world. Does it produce vulnerability? Yes. For now however, the position of the US is secure do to those attributes listed above.

thommy 01-22-2018 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22174066)

give it up - they will not understand that money what is spend inside an economy CAN NOT be lost.

they will not understand that this money that goes back into the circle for buying food, paying rent and even create the job for the person who decide who receive social welfare
is part of the economy and GNP.
they will not understand that money have to circle through as many hands as possible to create prosperity.

they donīt know that more people means more production because more people have more needs.

they will not understand it because they are uneducated when it comes to the rules of economy. they do not unterstand that complex issues needs complex thoughts.

paul and many other "wise guys" here trying to discuss this topic on the level of a 5 year old because they donīt have a clue of the monetary circulation.

i would really love to see how they get fucked up with their ideas but the problem is that we have only one world and canīt give them a playground where they can learn how wrong they are.

i remember when the tubes came up and paul said that they will not survive.
just another wrong assessment.

Acepimp 01-22-2018 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 22174066)

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22175356)
give it up - they will not understand that money what is spend inside an economy CAN NOT be lost.

they will not understand that this money that goes back into the circle for buying food, paying rent and even create the job for the person who decide who receive social welfare
is part of the economy and GNP.
they will not understand that money have to circle through as many hands as possible to create prosperity.

WRONG! The Dems just want to import cheap labor and more voters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUNI3o9XUAAoWM9.jpg

The Porn Nerd 01-23-2018 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22173469)
I'd guess that most Europeans do too.

Sure the ballers here on GFY get to travel a bit. But the normal working people in Europe? Highly doubt it.

Just watching Anthony Bourdain's CNN show "Parts Unknown" where he travels the world...I saw him in Sicily eating horse with people that was bought on a street market.
Looking at those people...they have never been 5 miles from home, much less 10. lol

It's easy to make fun of the U.S., but not everyone in Europe has a ton of money to go traveling all over the world either.

And I'd say that just as many U.S. citizens who DO have that kind of money travel the world as do Europeans who have the money to travel.

People living week to week trying to take care of their families don't travel internationally.


This says much of what I would've answered (and coming from a European too):


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Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 22173970)
well - at least on mainland Europe it's much easier than in the US - I can travel 5-6 different countries (and cultures) in one day if i wanted to

but on the other hand i have been recently to some small villages in Scotland that probably didn't change much for the last hundreds of years and I now understand better that those people really don't care much about things like gender equality, gay marriage or other "liberal" talking points

It's also a much longer trip to fly to Europe than it is to drive to Florida or Vegas for a vacation. But you can get a sense of "the world" by visiting cities like Manhattan, Chicago and San Francisco, too. But it's more an attitude, like when Americans do go somewhere "foreign" and they're scared to try the local cuisine. Instead they look for a McDonalds or something familiar when this may be the only time they are ever in Belgium! Try some fucking frites!! LOL

BaldBastard 01-23-2018 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22175362)
WRONG! The Dems just want to import cheap labor and more voters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUNI3o9XUAAoWM9.jpg

Are you talking about the Italian immigrants, the English, the Germans, the Japanese, the Spanish, the French and lets not forget the fucking Irish!
Because in every immigration wave, there's been the same response from clucks like yourself.

U.S. Immigration Before 1965 - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

During the mid-1800s, a significant number of Asian immigrants settled in the United States. Lured by news of the California gold rush, some 25,000 Chinese had migrated there by the early 1850s.

The influx of newcomers resulted in anti-immigrant sentiment among certain factions of America’s native-born, predominantly Anglo-Saxon Protestant population. The new arrivals were often seen as unwanted competition for jobs, while many Catholics–especially the Irish–experienced discrimination for their religious beliefs. In the 1850s, the anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic American Party (also called the Know-Nothings) tried to severely curb immigration, and even ran a candidate, former U.S. president Millard Fillmore (1800-1874), in the presidential election of 1956.
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It would seem the Know-Nothings are still in control.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Exclusion_Act

read that and replace Chinese what ever nationality your having issues with today..

thommy 01-23-2018 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22175362)
WRONG! The Dems just want to import cheap labor and more voters.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUNI3o9XUAAoWM9.jpg

i donīt really know where you get your lies from.

since WHEN do illegal (mean undocumented) immigrants have a right to get the benefits you are talking about, moron?

Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits? | Econofact

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla...y_mythbus.html

go and educate yourself before you write such a bullshit based on numbers from some drunken right wing brainless asshole.

Acepimp 01-23-2018 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22175386)
read that and replace Chinese what ever nationality your having issues with today..

No one is talking about race but you. The left and their identity politics. Total racists, the Dems always have been. The Chinese in the 1800s got jobs building railroads, they didn't draw welfare & food stamps.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7EJm3XcAAmS_W.jpg

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Originally Posted by thommy (Post 22175389)
i donīt really know where you get your lies from.

since WHEN do illegal (mean undocumented) immigrants have a right to get the benefits you are talking about, moron?

Do Undocumented Immigrants Overuse Government Benefits? | Econofact

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla...y_mythbus.html

go and educate yourself before you write such a bullshit based on numbers from some drunken right wing brainless asshole.

Thommy, you are mistaken. And also a crazy person :1orglaugh

ANALYSIS: Border Wall Only Needs To Stop 9-12% Of Illegal Crossings To Pay For Itself


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MFCT 01-23-2018 01:45 AM

I think all of you are missing the bigger picture here. Democrats have proven they're willing to shut down the entire federal government out of favor for Mexicans.

If that does not prove to you that you MUST vote Democrat from now on in every single election, if that does not prove to you that Democrats hold the United States' best interests as a highest priority...you're beyond any hope. And I don't even know what to say to you. Have fun at your KKK rallies, I guess.

BaldBastard 01-23-2018 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22175398)
No one is talking about race but you. The left and their identity politics. Total racists, the Dems always have been. The Chinese in the 1800s got jobs building railroads, they didn't draw welfare & food stamps.

Building railroads was the social security of the time... all government funded.

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22175398)
Thommy, you are mistaken. And also a crazy person :1orglaugh
ANALYSIS: Border Wall Only Needs To Stop 9-12% Of Illegal Crossings To Pay For Itself

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hehe loony and the dailycaller.com again.. note its based on finding by Camarota, fudging stats for his own agenda.. as normal.

https://www.plotagainstdaca.com/netw...even-camarota/
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Estimate's now are 20 billion to start and another 5 billion a year to maintain and if we know anything of Government estimates (worldwide, might I add) that translates to 200 billion and 50 billion a year... or there about's.

Since the USA is so good at bring peace and prosperity to the world, may be they should prove that by starting with your nearest neighbour? Because if you cant sort that out with a major trading partner, you aren't got a funking hope of doing it elsewhere in the world.

On a side note and I guess you will fully agree with this. If it's proven Russia was interfering in American elections, wouldn't that make them the biggest threat to the USA, and all should be deported on the spot.?


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