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OneHungLo 02-03-2018 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by acepimp (Post 22192195)
^^ making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power. Spying on a citizen and political opponent after buying a fake dossier full of lies- that's illegal rochard. Does any of this compute? Or are you that big of an obama fan boy that you think these crimes are ok?

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Robbie 02-03-2018 07:22 PM

Just like to point out that the FBI had Martin Luther King under "surveillance" and "investigation" for over a decade.
The FBI is an agency that has abused power over and over and over.
This time it's the biggest attempt that they have ever made.

BaldBastard 02-03-2018 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22192195)
^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power. Spying on a citizen and political opponent after buying a fake dossier full of lies- that's illegal Rochard. Does any of this compute? Or are you that big of an Obama fan boy that you think these crimes are ok?

:rasta

^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power, what you do all day isn't

Helix 02-03-2018 07:41 PM

What is the penalty for lying to a FISA judge?

Acepimp 02-03-2018 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22192205)
Blind to the crimes of Chump, yet accuses everyone else of being blind. Good Russian troll

What crimes??? There's no evidence, after 2 years of looking. You KNOW something would have leaked by now. There's nothing. "Collusion" isn't even a crime anyway. She lost BIGLY, get over it already :1orglaugh



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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22192207)
It's a coordinated campaign of misinformation and endless arguing. It's meant to keep reasonable people unreasonably yelling at each other. You are WAY too smart a cookie not to realize the Russians are masters at this kind of nonsense.

^^THIS. Pretty much accurate, except the plot to divide people isn't coming from Russians.

?Blame Russia? Plan Hatched by Podesta, Mook Within 24 Hours of Election Loss



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Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard (Post 22192229)
^^ Making excuses for massive crimes and abuse of power, what you do all day isn't

What crimes??? There's no evidence of anything. You got duped by #FakeNews

:rasta

Rochard 02-03-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MFCT (Post 22192159)
Hmm, the plot thickens...

< 50%

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy's work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it."

Source:
https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

onwebcam 02-03-2018 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22192255)
This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

Except for this little problem. McCabe stated under oath "There would be no FISA warrant without the Steele dossier"

The dossier has been debunked since before the election. You and others like you are just unwilling to accept it.. The FBI fired Steele shortly after obtaining the warrant because they knew it was false.. They claim they fired him because he was talking to the press after.. But they knew he was feeding yahoo info which they used to corroborate the dossier.

Acepimp 02-03-2018 09:57 PM

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The Porn Nerd 02-03-2018 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22192237)


^^THIS. Pretty much accurate, except the plot to divide people isn't coming from Russians.

:rasta

That's why we need to see IPs. LOL

:pimp

Acepimp 02-03-2018 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22192313)
That's why we need to see IPs. LOL

:pimp

The collusion delusion is a hoax, buddy. And I live about 4 hrs from NYC. Let's get drinks :thumbsup

:rasta

Major (Tom) 02-04-2018 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22192255)
This right here is a huge part of the problem. We already knew this.

The Washington Free Beacon, which was working with Rubio if I recall correctly, hired Fusion GPS. Steele came on board later after the Democrats started funding the opposition research. Wasn't this all common knowledge?

It's also completely irrelevant. Who funded the opposition research and who did the opposition research is irrelevant. It's opposition research. The Democrats do it, the Republicans do it. It's not illegal nor or is it even remotely politically incorrect. Both sides do it for nearly all elections.

Who did the research is also irrelevant. Clearly you would never want someone is likes the candidate. You want someone who dislikes the candidate, someone who is going to go the extra mile to find out all of the dirt. This is what was done in this case.

We do not know the full details of what's been confirmed in the dossier - how much of it is correct, and how much of it was real. More of it was real than was fake.

They are placing too much hype on the dossier. The dossier merely one part of the puzzle.

I think you are missing the gravity of the situation when it comes to a fisa warrant and using that to spy on a presidential candidate. That?s scary ass shit

The Porn Nerd 02-04-2018 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Acepimp (Post 22192335)
The collusion delusion is a hoax, buddy. And I live about 4 hrs from NYC. Let's get drinks :thumbsup

:rasta

I'm always down for a good time.
When it gets warmer tho.
Fucking freezing my dick off here. Yikes.
I'm staying in 'til Spring. LOL

Rochard 02-04-2018 02:02 AM

And now it comes out that when they filed the FISA warrant they did in fact tell the judge some of the information came from opposition research from a political organization. At this point, the entire Nunes memo is nothing but bullshit. In fact, the "memo" itself is nothing more than a document written by someone who never even read the FISA warrant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b9b30ea6a8d0

Paul Markham 02-04-2018 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22191871)
We aren't sure of what the FBI has. There is an ongoing investigation. Once the investigation is complete we will know a lot more. However, with that said, so four people have had charges filed against them.

From what little we know there is clear evidence of collusion with the Russian government. Carter Page was under investigation of being a spy for Russia before Trump decided to run for office, and before he was part of the Trump campaign. George Papadopoulos was meeting with Russian agents in London, and bragging about the Russians giving them inside information against Hillary Clinton. This doesn't come from the FBI or even the Steele dossier; This comes from a foreign government.

So they have a lot of evidence. And they have a lot more evidence than what they can tell us.

Is it a crime to get information from a foreign government on an opponent? What info and was it true? How many have been convicted in a court of law?

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It's not illegal for a top ranking government official to have emails on a private server. In fact, it is not illegal for a top ranking government official to have classified emails on a private server. At the time it was common - Prior Secretaries of State did this, as well as members of Congress.

Oddly enough none of them have been investigated.
If not illegal it should be.

State Department covered up Hillary Clinton's private email server for years | Daily Mail Online

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallp...ls-and-the-law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.8e9c9e1e7678

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And?

Some emails were lost. This is more of a technical issue than anything else. If Hillary Clinton ordered the emails destroyed to hide something, that is a serious crime. Otherwise it's more of a disappointment. The Bush administration lost millions of emails, but oddly enough no one seemed to care.
Why Hillary Clinton Deleted 33,000 Emails as Secretary of State - ABC News

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ele...n-lost-n794131

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1FA15O

https://nypost.com/2017/08/07/hillar...und-somewhere/

Paul Markham 02-04-2018 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RedFred (Post 22191875)
Trump taught you that being a liar is the way to get through life. Sad.

If you believe Trump is the only liar in congress, you are more stupid than I thought.

Paul Markham 02-04-2018 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22191987)
Yeah, because "Russia" and Putin are so concerned about what a bunch of mostly losers who aren't even technically in the porn industry anymore think about the fact that the FBI was spying on Trump.

It's of critical concern to "Mother Russia". :error

He qualifies.

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synonyms:
2) persecution complex, delusions, obsession, psychosis
"her husband had concocted a cruel scheme to inflict her with paranoia"
3) suspicion and mistrust of people or their actions without evidence or justification.

onwebcam 02-04-2018 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 22192383)
And now it comes out that when they filed the FISA warrant they did in fact tell the judge some of the information came from opposition research from a political organization. At this point, the entire Nunes memo is nothing but bullshit. In fact, the "memo" itself is nothing more than a document written by someone who never even read the FISA warrant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b9b30ea6a8d0

If you think this helps your case in any way there is zero help for you. :1orglaugh

beerptrol 02-04-2018 07:15 AM

Trey Gowdy Rebuts Trump ?Vindication? Claim: Memo Has No Impact on Russia Probe


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trey-gow...-russia-probe/



onwebcam 02-04-2018 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol (Post 22192583)
Trey Gowdy Rebuts Trump ?Vindication? Claim: Memo Has No Impact on Russia Probe


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trey-gow...-russia-probe/



Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/


It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.

crockett 02-04-2018 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22192227)
Just like to point out that the FBI had Martin Luther King under "surveillance" and "investigation" for over a decade.
The FBI is an agency that has abused power over and over and over.
This time it's the biggest attempt that they have ever made.

Just like to point out Robbie parrots everything he see's on Fox News. He has no opinion other than what Robert Murdock tells him to have..

beerptrol 02-04-2018 07:43 AM

Keep spinning your bullshit

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192595)
Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/


It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.


crockett 02-04-2018 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192595)
Gowdy knows Mueller is actually working on the real crimes committed by the Obama Admin, Hillary Clinton and the DNC... He can say "Russia collusion" because that's what it was just not by who you think..

Once again. Trump met with Mueller the day before his appointment for an "interview"

https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/13/polit...iew/index.html

And we now know Trump knew about everything via Mike Rogers in November 2016..

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ber-17th-2016/


It's done.. The Trump Russia collusion BS is over. Your best hope is to pray the first black President doesn't end up the first ex-President tried for treason.

Since you are so keen on what Gowdy says, here is a bit more of his interview that you willfully ignored.. He says the memo has zero chance of killing the investigation...


Pressing the point, CBS News White House and senior foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan asked: "The memo has no impact on the Russia probe?"

"Not to me, it doesn't ? and I was pretty integrally involved in the drafting of it," Gowdy, a former federal prosecutor, said. "There is a Russia investigation without a dossier. So to the extent the memo deals with the dossier and the FISA process, the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice. So there's going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier."


He stright up says even if the dossier didn't exist, they would still be investigating Trump..

So sad you choose to inform yourself with only half the story.. But then again you are a Putinbot...


Suddenly 50 thousand Putinbots screamed out and were silenced...

onwebcam 02-04-2018 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22192607)
Since you are so keen on what Gowdy says, here is a bit more of his interview that you willfully ignored.. He says the memo has zero change of killing the investigation...


Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. They aren't going to touch Mueller because they know full well what he's really doing...

crockett 02-04-2018 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192613)
Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. Like I've been saying all along..

Dear idiot.. why do you cherry pick then get all mad when the rest of what he said was posted?

crockett 02-04-2018 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192613)
Dear idiot, of course it has "zero chance of killing the investigation" because the investigation isn't what you hope for.. They aren't going to touch Mueller because they know full well what he's really doing...

Since you edited your post...

Can you please make up your mind if the FBI is corrupted and falsely investigating Trump or that it's all a big super secret ruse to get Dirty Hillary..

Your grand delusions are so hard to keep up with because you are always changing your story...

onwebcam 02-04-2018 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22192617)
Dear idiot.. why do you cherry pick then get all mad when the rest of what he said was posted?

If you want to understand what he's saying you need a brain.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier"

Read that several times very slowly, slow enough that your brain can absorb it.

crockett 02-04-2018 08:01 AM

Oh and btw, "Cambridge Analytica" that Gowdy mentioned is your boy Bannon's company. That means Bannon is a direct target of the investigation as well which he just let slip..

crockett 02-04-2018 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192633)
If you want to understand what he's saying you need a brain.

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier"

Read that several times very slowly, slow enough that your brain can absorb it.

He said the dossier didn't have anything to do with the "Trump tower meeting" or "Cambridge Analytica email"...

Read again Putinbot..

crockett 02-04-2018 08:06 AM

He mad now...

CaptainHowdy 02-04-2018 08:06 AM

Unrelease the memo!

onwebcam 02-04-2018 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 22192637)
He said the dossier didn't have anything to do with the "Trump tower meeting" or "Cambridge Analytica email"...

Read again Putinbot..

Trey Gowdy is very well trained at providing information without really showing his cards..

The fact that you think he is rooting for Trump's removal is hilarious to say the least.

crockett 02-04-2018 08:09 AM

Btw.. why would Bannon be direct target? It's because if you paid attention from the start, one of the big questions was how did the Russians know to target specific areas with postings.

How? They got the data from Bannon or the Trump campaign.. Perhaps that's why Bannon turned on Trump because Trump used Bannons data and gave it to the Russians..

crockett 02-04-2018 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 22192641)
Unrelease the memo!

LoL this is pretty much it. For some cherry picked talking points they sure picked some bad ones. The memo even admits the FBI investigation into Trump's campaign started before the dossier..

I'm 100% certain Trump's lawyer's wrote the memo as only they could be this bad at trying to discredit the FBI..

beerptrol 02-04-2018 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192643)
Trey Gowdy is very well trained at providing information without really showing his cards..

The fact that you think he is rooting for Trump's removal is hilarious to say the least.

lol!!!!!!! No one said he is rooting for Chump's removal. You just love to spin and deflect shit like a good Russian loving Chumpanzee. Keep trying to change the narrative

The memo was a political hit job against the FBI by Chump and his russian loving lap dogs

VRPdommy 02-04-2018 08:28 AM

The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this...

Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow.

Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'.

read the whole timeline...

https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events

1st
We might assume a couple of things.
The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos.
They are the chief witnesses against Trump.
You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out.

2nd
If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon.
Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this.
That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

onwebcam 02-04-2018 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22192657)
The most interesting event in a timeline of events of this whole story that I was not aware of previously was this...

Dec. 26: Oleg Erovinkin, a former KGB official who was suspected assisting a former British spy in compiling a dossier alleging Trump ties to Russia, is found dead in the back seat of his car in Moscow.

Kinda makes the dossier have unverifiable elements at this point... but not 'fake'.

read the whole timeline...

https://www.politico.com/trump-russi...line-of-events

1st
We might assume a couple of things.
The current RNC charge is to 'free' Manafort and Papadopoulos.
They are the chief witnesses against Trump.
You must get evidence obtained against them thrown out.

2nd
If/when Mueller concludes, he is not likely to do more than drop all the intelligence on congress's lap. So it really is a matter of timing. Does it happen while it is controlled by the GOP or possibly when it is controlled by the DNC. So there is a sense of urgency by trump and RNC to make this go away very soon.
Or we are going to have a real fight trying to charge a sitting president. Much of that depends on the charges and if it affects the duty of the working president. most of which will likely be decided by the Supreme Court.

So it is more likely going to take public pressure to really get to the bottom of this.
That is if there is any backbone to know if and to what extent any foreign powers has influenced top officials of our government.

SO let me get this straight. You post an article telling you Hillary and the DNC where working with a former KGB agent (who ended up getting Arkancided) via Steele and you turn that story into Trump / Russia collusion? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Acepimp 02-04-2018 09:10 AM

Crockett still thinks there is an investigation into Trump:1orglaugh

Trump is NOT under investigation and never has been. The Russia probe shows that it's the Democrats who were colluding with Russia to influence the election. Accept the facts, Hill bots

:rasta

VRPdommy 02-04-2018 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192667)
SO let me get this straight. You post an article telling you Hillary and the DNC where working with a former KGB agent (who ended up getting Arkancided) via Steele and you turn that story into Trump collusion? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You can twist that however you want. The investigative document was originally paid for by a individual on the RNC and latter picked up on by the Clinton campaign. When they did not act on it publicly, someone in the RNC did leak it. The author went into hiding fearing his life from the Russians.

You are not doing a service to anyone with that.

If there is any wrongdoing, by anyone, prosecute them.
I'm not sticking up for Clinton anymore than Trump.

I'm sticking up for the constitution and the rule of law. You 'should be' too.

onwebcam 02-04-2018 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VRPdommy (Post 22192677)
You can twist that however you want. The investigative document was originally paid for by a individual on the RNC and latter picked up on by the Clinton campaign. When they did not act on it publicly, someone in the RNC did leak it. The author went into hiding fearing his life from the Russians.

You are not doing a service to anyone with that.

If there is any wrongdoing, by anyone, prosecute them.
I'm not sticking up for Clinton anymore than Trump.

I'm sticking up for the constitution and the rule of law. You 'should be' too.

I really get tired of repeating things that are already posted. But here you go again

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy?s work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.

A corrected version of the story is below:"

https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

VRPdommy 02-04-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 22192683)
I really get tired of repeating things that are already posted. But here you go again

"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy?s work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.

A corrected version of the story is below:"

https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

Ok... what does that change ?


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