Interesting....Gowdy is the only Republican on the House committee investigating Russian meddling to actually see the entire FISA application, and his conclusions are dramatically different than Nunes.

Also, it was widely reported today (except on Fox) that the FISA application did acknowledge the Steele dossier was paid for by a "political entity". Not to mention that the memo shoots its own "poison tree" theory in the foot by acknowledging it was Papodopolous who triggered the start of the investigation much earlier by bragging the Russians had compromising emails on Clinton and would be releasing them to help Trump - just weeks before hacked DNC emails were leaked by Wikileaks. Oh and the small side note that several other Governments intelligence agencies were warning the USA to look into Russian interference.

At this stage anyone who's seen the original warrant and spoken is not concerned, yet those who have not seen it are up in arms over it.

It changed your argument.. :1orglaugh

There is a huge difference between opposition research and a foreign government hacking the opposition political party and giving you information.

GPS Fusion is an american research company. There is nothing wrong or illegal about hiring it.

However, conspiring with a foreign power to have their intelligence agencies illegally hack your opponent, give you the information, and then post this information online is completely illegal.

As for the missing emails, Hillary Clinton did not order delete the emails herself nor did she order the emails to be deleted. If she did, it would be a crime. This is not the first time this has happened; Under the Bush administration millions of emails got deleted.

The memo doesn't change or alter the investigation at all. That was never the intent of the memo. The memo was written and released only to change the way Americans view the investigation, to imply this was a political witch hunt.

Carter Page was under investigation long before Trump announced he was running for President. Even without the dossier there still would have been an investigation. If it wasn't due to Carter Page, it would have been because of George Papadopoulos and his actions in London.

There is still so much more we don't know. Why was Flynn having conversations with the Russian government, and what did they discuss? Sessions too. Sessions claims he met with the Russian government as part of his work on the Committee on Armed Services, yet NO ONE else from this committee ever met with anyone from the Russian government.

There is so much we do not know. There are other people - so called "coffee boys" like Carter Page and George Papadopoulos that we never heard of - that are a part of this that flip.

The dossier has lots of verifiable facts. Just because one source died doesn't mean they cannot verify what he said.

lol Fusion GPS's entire business is based on "character assassination" NOT "opposition research"


lol... Do tell.. Show me this list of "verifiable facts"

WHAT??? ENTIRELY FALSE, ROCHARD. no one conspired with foreign intelligence to hack the goddamm DNC. It was a leak by Seth Rich, not a hack. The data was transferred at speeds much faster than the Internet could provide- it was a flash drive at the server, not a hack over the internet. This is indisputable.

And it IS illegal to have your wife at Fusion gps (Nellie Orr) feed bogus intel to the husband in the FBI in order to fraudulently obtain warrants by lying to the Fisa judge (who was appointed by obama.) This is a massive scandal, yet Rochard claims it's perfectly legal.

Rochard, you are a hopeless Obama fan boy Hillbot. It's both stunning and sad.

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You said that Republicans funded "THE DOCUMENT".

No, they never did. They hired Fusion GPS during the primary to come up with opposition research. Trump won the primary.

THEN the Clinton campaign using DNC money hired Fusion GPS and paid out MILLIONS of dollars to hire Steele and create the "Document" (the dossier).

Trying to say that "Republicans originally did it" is just ignorant.

And it doesn't change the fact that a Democrat President and the DNC used the FBI and DOJ to spy on the opposition candidate in a Presidential election by paying RUSSIANS for fake info.

Watch what happens next. CNN isn't telling you this, and neither are MSNBC. But the FBI, DOJ and members of the Obama administration are all about to have an investigation done on them.

This is a case of trying to fix an election (just like they did the Democrat nomination by fucking over Sanders) and then trying to overthrow the duly elected President of The United States.

My belief is that "yes"...people are going to jail. Just not the ones that CNN and MSNBC and The Washington Post are trying to make you think are going to jail.

lol. Keep pushing your bullshit. The only ones who believe you are fellow chumpanzees and Russian trolls.

Dude, in which direction?. Up 95 or down 95?

So when you say "They (the Republicans) hired Fusion GPS" it means... They didn't partially fund this opposition research?

You seem to think this is two different things when it's not. The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website (most likely funded by Rubio), originally hired Fusion GPS to do opposition research on Trump. When Trump won the primary the DNC started to pick up the tab. The information Fusion GPS collected when it was being funded by The Washington Free Beacon wasn't thrown out, but instead was used in the Steele Dossier. The Washington Free Beacon in fact partially funded the Steele Dossier.

All of this is a smoke screen. It doesn't matter who funded it. It doesn't matter if it is politically biased. It's opposition research. Both sides does it. It's not illegal. It's standard in all Presidential elections. The Republican Party (and Fox News) is trying poke holes in who funded this, and frankly it's completely irrelevant. The investigation started three years before Trump announced he was running for office. The investigation had nothing to do with Trump - the investigation had to do with a US citizen working as a spy for Moscow. The investigation started to look at Trump because members of his campaign - namely Flynn and Sessions - talking to the Russian government. Again, nothing to do with Trump. Flynn and Sessions weren't targeted, but instead got picked up in the intelligence community routinely monitoring Russian agents on US soil. The investigation continued when a foreign government told the United States government an American citizen in London was bragging about how the Russians have dirt on Hillary, and how Russia was helping the Trump campaign.

This is nothing more than obstruction of justice by the Republican party.

What Bullshit? And what Russian trolls? You're having trouble discerning facts from fake news.

There is no trump Russia collusion. Turn off the fake news & wake the fuck up.

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Down, not far from Philly / DC / B'more. I follow politics because it's local to me :thumbsup

Oh look, here we go again..............



"WASHINGTON (AP) ? In a story Feb. 2 about a Republican memo on the Russia investigation, The Associated Press erroneously reported that a former British spy?s work on an opposition research project was initially funded by the conservative Washington Free Beacon. Though the former spy, Christopher Steele, was hired by a firm that was initially funded by the Washington Free Beacon, he did not begin work on the project until after Democratic groups had begun funding it.

A corrected version of the story is below:"

https://apnews.com/63c883156e314b68b86209d3b63890f5

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Nope.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh No wonder this idiot keeps repeating shit that is already discussed. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Ignoring facts does not make them untrue.

These Hillbots are SO desperate to believe Putin hacked the election and Trump will be removed.

Trump Derangement Syndrome induced by lying MSM. Sad.

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This message is hidden because Acepimp is on your ignore list because he lies so fucking much.

No, Trump wanted to use the memo as a excuse to fire Rosinstine so he could plant someone to fire Muller. The problem with that is the Senate will not confirm anyone who will fire Muller..

Trump is still fucked. He broke the kaw, he knows it, he knows he's fucked but he's trying everything possible to unfuck himself but he's in political quicksand at this point. All his squirming just makes him sink deeper..

The only pepole who still believe Trump at this point are the nutters like onewebcam, AssPimple and the hate democrats not matter what's like Robbie and Vendillza..

Normal people, the people who actually matter know he's guilty as sin..

Great jobs numbers and finally, after many years, rising wages- and nobody even talks about them. Only Russia, Russia, Russia, despite the fact that, after a year of looking, there is No Collusion!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...46200488271872

Rasmussen just announced that my approval rating jumped to 49%, a far better number than I had in winning the Election, and higher than certain “sacred cows.” Other Trump polls are way up also. So why does the media refuse to write this? Oh well, someday!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...98726381457409

Russia to rising wages in USA :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

But the memo hasn't changed anything. It surely hasn't helped Trump. If anything it's done the direct opposite. Trump's base is going to continue to believe what it believes - let them fap fap fap to Fox News.

Trump cannot, under any circumstances, fire Robert Mueller. In the event he does, there will be a move to impeach him, and then demands for a new special prosecutor.

This is not going away.

This is why I walked away from the Republican party. We had a dozen investigations into Hillary Clinton, and frankly she handled them all. We have on investigation into Trump and now the entire Justice Department is biased?

A sitting President is being accused of colluding with a foreign government to rig a US election and this will most likely end in impeachment. But let's talk about his ratings.

You claiming everything you don't want to hear is fake, doesn't equal discussed. You just repeat outright lies and proclaim you win..

You say ridiculous shit like the dossier was proven to be fraudulent which is a lie. Many things in that dossier have been proven to be accurate and have been verified by other sources.

Nothing, nothing at all has been proven to be fake, just somethings like the hooker stories can't be verified..

You are basically the 3 dumb monkeys wrapped up in one.. You lie, you don't listen and you won't open your eyes..

Btw, when this is all said and done, we will see Nunes go down for abuse of power.

I am not are believe in the colluding, I think it is speculation by the media. Trump win because peoples support him. I bet on it involved the USA secret services, CIA FBI & DIA(Michael Flynn). All they have assets in foreign countries for use, that's why we not will know the truth, I think the investigation will end with nothing. Trump just show for secret services - that POTUS is the boss and they work for him, and politics, not their business, that's why he "attacks" them.

The Russian news going "He's ours again" (meaning Trump) does not look good tho. All Americans should recognize that Russia is NOT our friend. EVERY American should be united on this point but no, some prefer to point fingers internally at each other.

This is, of course, exactly what Russia wants. Therefore I will continue to plead for unity and common ground. If Trump is convicted, or Democrats go to jail, NONE of it is good for America and, in the end, Russia wins. Let's prevent that ok?

Cue The Beatles 'Come Together'....right now. LOL

LoLoL!!!!


The conspiracy nuts keep saying Trump wants to fire Mueller. Has he said that? No, and there's no evidence after more than a year, except on the democrats.



NOT ACCURATE- There is no investigation into Trump. HE is NOT under investigation. Man, it's like talking to 5 year olds lol. The investigation is into alleged Russian interference in the election. Trump is in no way in danger of impeachment. Fact.

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So you see Rochard, the Mueller probe is based on fake intelligence that Hillary paid $12 million for. Of course Trump CAN fire Mueller if he wanted to. There's no need, since the probe has exposed Russia collusion with the Steele dossier, as well as the corrupt FBI "secret society" that was abusing power to help Hillary influence the election. Make sense?

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It was good trolling for haters :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

How typically Russian. LOL
Bring back the Nude Mews.
At least I got to see Muscovite titties. :thumbsup

LOL fucking inbred nazis.. :1orglaugh

WRONG

read this

New York Times

WASHINGTON ? President Trump ordered the firing last June of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel overseeing the Russia investigation, according to four people told of the matter, but ultimately backed down after the White House counsel threatened to resign rather than carry out the directive.

The West Wing confrontation marks the first time Mr. Trump is known to have tried to fire the special counsel. Mr. Mueller learned about the episode in recent months as his investigators interviewed current and former senior White House officials in his inquiry into whether the president obstructed justice.

Amid the first wave of news media reports that Mr. Mueller was examining a possible obstruction case, the president began to argue that Mr. Mueller had three conflicts of interest that disqualified him from overseeing the investigation, two of the people said.

First, he claimed that a dispute years ago over fees at Trump National Golf Club in Sterling, Va., had prompted Mr. Mueller, the F.B.I. director at the time, to resign his membership. The president also said Mr. Mueller could not be impartial because he had most recently worked for the law firm that previously represented the president?s son-in-law, Jared Kushner. Finally, the president said, Mr. Mueller had been interviewed to return as the F.B.I. director the day before he was appointed special counsel in May.

After receiving the president?s order to fire Mr. Mueller, the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, refused to ask the Justice Department to dismiss the special counsel, saying he would quit instead, the people said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to be identified discussing a continuing investigation.

Mr. McGahn disagreed with the president?s case and told senior White House officials that firing Mr. Mueller would have a catastrophic effect on Mr. Trump?s presidency. Mr. McGahn also told White House officials that Mr. Trump would not follow through on the dismissal on his own. The president then backed off (because he's a fucking coward hiding behind others)

It's nice that you admit your man Trump is a fucking liar. Looks like reality is starting to sink in for you :thumbsup

They do not take beauty girls for news, for wifes not jealous of their husbands.))
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I might want to correct your thinking on this.
The key here is to break the chain of evidence and witnesses.
So while Papadopoulos and Manafort are still waiting on proper court, pleading not guilty, on the hopes trump can stop this.
If the Republicans could get the surveillance in question discredited, the evidence against them goes out the window. And perhaps ties to Trump. Even if Trump has no culpability in any of the Russia stuff, it looks as if he is culpable for Obstruction.

But Flynn was under investigation of the NSA and Page and others under investigation with the FBI years before Trump ran for POTUS. The campaign actually tied them up together in a neat little bow. Adding more credence to the investigation.

As long as nobody is only convicted in the court of public opinion, I'm happy to hear those that would want to throw it all out on a few misleading and/or incorrect facts.
It's just not going to change much.
Eventually, the real case will be presented with real evidence and not hearsay.


Wishful thinking... It is more a play to have public support for doing things that they should not be attempting in the near term. The Republicans, lead only by some, want to create enough disbelief to make it through the next election should Mueller investigation run that long. We have been told he is not the kinda guy that would want to end this at election time so it is either in the next 3-6 months or after the mid-term election.

Many republicans are to be dammed either way. If they talk anything against trump, they 'may' face a backlash from voters in their districts. So you can see the most vocal are those that had heavy support for trump last election.

But what worries me is these boneheads are likely to inspire riots soon enough even if that is not their intent.
You know much of this looking very familiar with a era we call McCarthyism.

The New York Times, "according to 4 people??" Really?? What 4 people??? Sorry, they got caught posting fake news and are not credible.

Trump slams report he tried to fire Robert Mueller as ‘fake news’

“Fake news, fake news. Typical New York Times. Fake stories,” Trump told reporters. “I haven’t given it any thought. I mean, I’ve been reading about it from you people, you say, ‘Oh, I’m gonna dismiss him.’ No, I’m not dismissing anybody,” Trump said.

I prefer facts. Let us know when you have some :1orglaugh

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