There's been so much gaslighting from the GOP to try and muddy up the waters that it's easy for people to forget the simple facts , and the words straight out of Trump's mouth.

Trump went on national TV and asked Russia to commit cyber espionage against the United States of America to help him win the election. And then when the emails are hacked and released their released in coordination with specific things the campaign was doing at the time and Trump's people bragged about what was about to happen in tweets before it even happened.

The day after Trump fired Comey he bragged to Russians, inside the Whitehouse saying ?I faced great pressure because of Russia. That?s taken off.? oh and then there's Jeff Sessions the recused himself from the Russia investigation because he lied in front of Congress about his ties to Russia. Then there's the two felony guilty pleas from the Trump team. Then there's Trump's own children bragging about how much money he gets from Russia.

These are all undisputed facts provided by Trump and his children.

Republicans are going to spark riots when liberal talking heads on TV are literally calling for their mindless drones to do just that :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

We all know onwebcam isnt MERCAN because he's posting like a lunitic during the super bowl

I don't watch TV. If it's on which is very rare it's a movie.. Hell I went to the grocery and was like "why the hell is it so busy? Is it suppose to snow?" That's when I realized it was Superbowl Sunday. lol.

Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.

If you ever get to NYC, let me know. I'm a little over an hour from the city

There are no hopes that Trump can stop this - meaning the charges against Papadopoulos and Manafort. This would mean Trump would need to pardon them before he is impeached, which is highly unlikely. Also, Papadopoulos has already put in a guilty plea (and has flipped).

They can try to discredit this as much as they want. This only plays to their base. Everything Nunes said in his so called "memo" is either already known or utterly fake. For example, Nunes claims in the FISA warrant it was not mentioned that the dossier came from a political source while the Democrats say it was. Who are you going to believe - A Congressman who has to recuse himself from the investigation because of his past actions and involvement with the Trump campaign, or a Democrat who is not under investigation?

I can't wait for this to be over. You know heads are going to roll no matter what. You know they are going through Trump's business deals and turning up all kinds of shit - You have to know this.

So many assumptions that have no proof.

No government emails should be deleted.

The Democrats have to come up with a reason a person that was viewed as a joke, beat their queen bee. Whatever was found or not was it true? Clinton drew more hate than the Democrats expected. But the Democrats rigged it so she was their choice the people didn't like that enough to put a joker into the White House.

Because his message resonated with them.

Of course I know that they are finding all kinds of crimes in his finances and many are from a long history that should have been looked at 5-10 years ago.
More dirty money is harbored in the US than any other nation on earth.
There has been no desire or funding to go after it. many politicians seem to like the idea they hide the money here over other nations. Trump has been a tool for many Russian oligarchs to do just that. Go Figure.

But what I have been trying to convey is that trumps tactics are to discredit the intel of surveillance and open the possibility to throw it out.
Once you break a chain of evidence, following that, all intel that was found as a consequence of that now broken chain is thrown out.
It's a normal tactic in any defense.

I'm not saying it will be successful. But they will try because they have to.
The first step in that is to create justification in the public's eye so there is less backlash.
And to demean, belittle and demonize everyone in your way is the second part of it.
But POTUS has a lot of privilege and power that he might just be able to get away with this. I'm sure 'some' of his legal team thinks so. The Supreme Court will ultimately be called upon for many decisions on these matters.

There is plenty of other intel but I personally think that Manafort has told trump that if he makes it to trial, he will turn on him and make a deal. Hence the tremendous effort.

A pardon is a whole new problem for Mueller and the government depending on when it comes, if it does. But a pardon does not break the chain of evidence and does not serve Trump or he may have done it already. So Manafort has forced the president's hand on this. But manafort has plenty of time to turn on trump as Mueller has delayed bringing this to trial. And I think that is helping him build a larger obstruction charge.

Congress has made it clear that the special counsel is staying.
This is what he has left. You just need to see the overall tactic for what it is.
It's really about breaking the chain of evidence to break the ties to trump himself.
None of his financial issues can be charged to him while he is sitting POTUS. You will have to wait for that.

Grow some balls. Trump & Russia stole the election right from under your feet. Stand up for yourself.

The Republicans knew Hillary Clinton was going to be the front runner for the Democratic party and went on the war path with investigation after investigation. The Republicans kept attacking her claiming she was criminal. A dozen investigations and tens of thousand of emails published there wasn't a single charge, yet still Republicans will insist she is corrupt when she obviously isn't.

The Republican party is doing the same thing now, going on the war path against the FBI. We don't even know what the investigation is going to uncover yet and the Republican party and the Trump is claiming the FBI is biased. It's absurd - Comey, Mueller, and the top three people at the FBI are Republicans as are all four judges who signed off on the FISA warrants. They are trying to give us the perception that the FBI is biased when there is no indication it is.

At the end of the day the law is the law.

:1orglaugh
https://i.imgflip.com/220zvr.jpg

^^ LoL!!!

Mark, that is wild conspiracy based on NO EVIDENCE. The Democrat media has tricked you. No, I'm not wrong. She LOST because she is the worst, most corrupt politician in history.

Facebook & Twitter testified to Congress: Most of their ads "paid for by Russians" were purchased AFTER the election, were mostly pro-SJW bullshit, and the total ad buy was only $100K. That's nothing. So no, Russia didn't trick 83% of US counties into voting a certain way. That's just dumb :1orglaugh

Putin’s Puppets: “The Resistance” Was a Russian Cyber Operation and Unhinged Liberals Bought it Hook, Line and Sinker

You got duped, buddy

:rasta

Reality Check

https://scontent.fbna1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...7b&oe=5ADFDF65

keep deflecting you russian loving snowflake. Robert Mueller is a republican and doing the investigation, which isn't done yet. Keep sucking the Chump cock

lol, Reality check. He's just another brain washed chumpanzee with alternate facts lol.

You're saying that Obama didn't spy on the Trump campaign when it is admitted he did..
You're saying Hillary didn't pay for the dossier when in fact she did..
You're saying that the dossier wasn't used to obtain the FISA warrant when in fact it was..
You're saying that all that doesn't add up to the Democrats colluding with elements within the FBI, and others I might add to get Trump....

And you think he's brainwashed and using alternative facts?

It truly is fucking amazing.. Those that study psychology are really learning a lot during these times.. Unfortunately the results will be used by those with ill intentions.. I'm sure even they are afraid of the reality we now face..

^^ This guy is obsessed with Trump's cock, it's all he talks about:1orglaugh

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cNCVdKiHFJ...een-fooled.jpg

300 Reality deniers

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Steve Bannon has decided a contempt of court charge will be less than he's due if he testifies again. 5 years vs 25 I guess...

Onehung, they surly didn't spy on the "campaign" individuals maybe but not the "campaign", had of they.. this shit all would of been out during the campaign, not after trump had won. Doss was passed to feds in July was plenty enough mud in it to throw at Trump but nadda until January.

If anything they should be charged for not releasing it to the public earlier, they were covering Trumps ass or.. they considered it a nothing burger, which seems to be the case, it was the media that hyped it.

It was a Title 1 warrant. Meaning Page was pretty much labeled a spy. They weren't just reading his emails and listening to his phone calls. ANYONE he had any contact with was swept up in the investigation. 24/7 surveillance.

Why didn't Trump do anything earlier? He was advised against likely. Early on he said "we will go after them, but we will through the proper channels." He's had to wait for the "Russia investigations" to be done before they dove into this... It's all been planned. They want what's coming fresh on the voters minds in November... Plus it gave them time to gather evidence without question...

White House says Trump's legal team supports a second special counsel to probe FBI, DOJ

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/trum...e-fbi-doj.html

And rightly so

Not, what did he do to make him a spy? Why hasn't he been charged as such? They had him under surveillance for years before.... What if your country decided to label you one for your dealings in the US? I'll have to look back because I'm not totally up to par on him but from what I remember he actually went to the FBI himself.. And from what the FBI claims the only reason they had him under surveillance originally is to make sure he didn't do something stupid.. As in he's a fucking idiot and they wanted to make sure he didn't get caught up in something...

After typing that it got me to thinking.. The FBI has set many people up they have had under surveillance... But then I thought, wait.. What if Page actually worked for the FBI as an informant? Well it appears I'm not the only one...

He infact has testified "against a Russian" for them
https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/...umps-campaign/

He was an informant under protection.... Not surveillance..

There you go again. In every thread today you've brought up Obama and/or Clinton. Your ideological pacifier.

You always revert back to Obama & Clinton when your ideology is backed into a corner, like when you peddled pizza gate for a year.

Facts are reality whether you acknowledge them or not.

Dear fuckwit, you obviously missed what I was replying to..

I told your gay ass to PROVE it SHOW me a post bitch.

The only way the FBI would have been surveiling Trump Tower would be if folks that the FBI already had under surveillance were in there. And they were !

Gee, it's certainly is funny that Trump made those charges way back just after it happened.

How did he know that ? It's a interesting question is it not ?
I could make a few guesses, but it is a huge question.

Was it forwarded info from a foreign spy, or those slanted folks in the FBI ? (LOL)

The FBI wiretapped Trump Tower from 2011 to 2013 for a Russian money laundering operation 3 floors down from where Trump resides. 30 people were indicted on multiple felony counts. Trump's ties to the Russian mafia are well documented and the alt-rights Fusion GPS testified to this before Congress. Not to mention Trump's well known corruption with the Russian mafia at his Panama Trump tower building.

Wondering why the FBI is all over Trump and his associates is like wondering why the exterminator is spraying termites.

I just find it unfunny the timing of many of Trumps comments over events we later learn happened.
And there are so many of these unfunny coincidences.

Ron Paul gets it right


The release of the House Intelligence Committee?s memo on the FBI?s abuse of the FISA process set off a partisan firestorm. The Democrats warned us beforehand that declassifying the memo would be the end the world as we know it. It was reckless to allow Americans to see this classified material, they said. Agents in the field could be harmed, sources and methods would be compromised, they claimed.

Republicans who had seen the memo claimed that it was far worse than Watergate. They said that mass firings would begin immediately after it became public. They said that the criminality of US government agencies exposed by the memo would shock Americans.

Then it was released and the world did not end. FBI agents have thus far not been fired. Seeing ?classified? material did not terrify us, but rather it demonstrated clearly that information is kept from us by claiming it is ?classified.?

In the end, both sides got it wrong. Here?s what the memo really shows us:

First, the memo demonstrates that there is a ?deep state? that does not want things like elections to threaten its existence. Candidate Trump?s repeated promises to get along with Russia and to re-assess NATO so many years after the end of the Cold War were threatening to a Washington that depends on creating enemies to sustain the fear needed to justify a trillion dollar yearly military budget.

Imagine if candidate Trump had kept his campaign promises when he became President. Without the ?Russia threat? and without the ?China threat? and without the need to dump billions into NATO, we might actually have reaped a ?peace dividend? more than a quarter century after the end of the Cold War. That would have starved the war-promoting military-industrial complex and its network of pro-war ?think tanks? that populate the Washington Beltway area.

Second, the memo shows us that neither Republicans nor Democrats really care that much about surveillance abuse when average Americans are the victims. It is clear that the FISA abuse detailed in the memo was well known to Republicans like House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes before the memo was actually released. It was likely also well known by Democrats in the House. But both parties suppressed this evidence of FBI abuse of the FISA process until after the FISA Amendments Act could be re-authorized. They didn?t want Americans to know how corrupt the surveillance system really is and how the US has become far too much like East Germany. That might cause more Americans to call up their Representatives and demand that the FISA mass surveillance amendment be allowed to sunset.

Ironically, Chairman Nunes was the biggest cheerleader for the extension of the FISA Amendments even as he knew how terribly the FISA process had been abused!

Finally, hawks on both sides of the aisle in Congress used ?Russia-gate? as an excuse to build animosity toward Russia among average Americans. They knew from the classified information that there was no basis for their claims that the Trump Administration was put into office with Moscow?s assistance, but they played along because it served their real goal of keeping the US on war footing and keeping the gravy train rolling.

But don?t worry: the neocons in both parties will soon find another excuse to keep us terrified and ready to flush away a trillion dollars a year on military spending and continue our arguments and new ?Cold War? with Russia.

In the meantime, be skeptical of both parties. With few exceptions they are not protecting liberty but promoting its opposite.

Feel free to explain to me why the FBI needed a Title 1 warrant on a person who was obviously a paid informant. The only reason I could see is he was a plant/stooge and all a part of their scheme to begin with. Page wouldn't have been working for Russia after testifying against one!

Perhaps because he's known all about the entire scheme since November 17th 2016
https://theconservativetreehouse.com...tional-crisis/

We don?t know what other evidence law enforcement may have relied on to obtain a warrant to investigate Page. While the dossier may have been cited, officials could have also included a significant amount of evidence collected by the US intelligence community.

You only know what's leaked, and Mueller is leaking sweet fuck all

What we do know is the released Memo was very selective in what it said.. trying to protect Trump by destroying creditability of the investigation and intelligence community. It served no other purpose.

.. There all going to Jail.

Fixed

Yep, just not who you think!

I've always wondered why Obama stayed in Washington and why the government spent millions fortifying a rental.... BECAUSE HE'S UNDER INVESTIGATION.

3.54 am here, I'm excused :P

Truth will come out this week, Trump blocks the Dems memo or significantly redacts it..

Then he's guilty as fuck, if its nothing but a big ploy to get him, then he will have nothing to hide from and will release it as is.

See what Dear Leader decides.

But it is you snowflake

A term for someone that thinks they are unique and special, but really are not. It gained popularity after the movie "Fight Club" from the quote ?You are not special. You're not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."

Began being used extensively as a putdown for someone, usually on the political left, who is easily offended or felt they needed a "safe space" away from the harsh realities of the world, but now has morphed into a general putdown for anyone that complains about any subject.
Comedians have a hard time performing on college campuses anymore because of all the little snowflakes running around that get offended by just about anything they say.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...term=Snowflake

PS: I still wait the official result of the investigation

It is new neomaccartism

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1947 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression as well as a campaign spreading fear of Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

it is old research :pimp
Shock and strike each other - 1948 Yale University Psychology Experiments - Coub - GIFs with sound

Another kebab stay Russian mafia?

Alimzhan Tokhtakhunov (Uzbekistan)
In Russia he was investigated about the legality of his Russian citizenship.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimzhan_Tokhtakhunov

Republicans didn't have a problem with FISA when they voted to reauthorize it late last year!