British news=a bunch of writers making stores to sell ad spots.

True....

I have an extra insurrance ( about 50.00/month ) that gives me insurrance while travelling ( mainly for the USA , as a heart attack will either kill you or bankrupt you ) , covers special medications, upgrade of rooms in hospital ( single room ) , and various things such as limb replacement etc....

Still the universal healthcare is the way to go .

where u from?

that dismissal of why the vote went the way it did, is exactly why the vote went the way it did. You seriously think the (almost) same number of people who voted to leave as to stay, are just racists swayed by the daily mail? Lofl.

Putin hacked the Brexit vote to begin the destruction if the EU union and the British government is covering it up :2 cents:

The referendum was decided on immigration.

Sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable.

oh my 3rd world shit hole is ranked with your country and cuba by healthcare...now the problem is our healthcare is almost free and I do not even have insurance because everything is cheap...I honestly can not see the benefit in having insurance...just a little perspective, I had complicated maxio facial surgery, behind the eye shit, at a top clinic with 0 insurance for like 3000$ total...I picked the best surgeon there is, went to the best clinic we have and stayed a week in a deluxe suit...my dad is a foreigner who had a cough, got an xray, they found something in his lungs and he got 2 operations for 300$ total...maybe 350$ I do not remember exactly...they did the second operation for free just to be sure...it was not complicated so he did not even have to stay in hospital they just stuck a tube in him and operated and did a follow up...


a top top dentist is like 20$ per tooth...I mean top top like in any top US clinic...I did once have to pay 100$ for an MRI but it was a brand new siemens multi million $ mri machine that kicks ass...I found the bill kinda expensive at first but I had to spend 30min in the machine so its not so expensive after all LOL I was too lazy to go the free route...

this is what true healthcare should be...insurance should not have to exist...it sounds silly...like "water insurance" or "air insurance"...

i agree with u. but... i still love 'merica... so fuck yeah!

It wasn't. It was decided by the middle, who:

#1 wanted to give a great big 'fuck you', to all the condescending pricks who belittled & dismissed everything that group of people had to say by labelling them racists, instead of listening to their concerns about literally anything else

#2 the 'intelligent class' being yet again unable to put themselves in the 'unintelligent' class's shoes, which is in fact, the only fucking way you ever persuade anyone of anything.

#3 see point #2, and the people more in the centre feeling they get told what is best for them, and if they disagree get some ridiculous name thrown at them - racist, homophobe, sexist, litle englander, etc. Those are the very people that remainers should have been bending over backwards to accomodate in real discussions... instead they throw a name, dismiss those people as unintelligent, and surprise surprise, the people think 'well this is what the EU does, fuck them' and came out in force to vote.

The UK isn't full of racists and sexists and whatever other childish insults the far left vocal crowd want to throw out, just like all millenials aren't snowflakes, nor are all liberal-minded people, despite what the far right spew. Ofc that element is there, but to think it's as big a problem as the people who cry wolf every 10 seconds make out is again, very naive.

That people still think that brexit was solely about immigration, and trump was solely about racism, shows how out of touch the elite/intelligence snobs are. You expect it of the backwards cunts who have never been out of their town and are far right, but they don't pretend to be intelligent. Joe Bloggs had basically had enough of getting fucked over, and being ordered around by the people who are supposed to be doing the serving.

Same old shit... the snobby left who think themselves intellectuals because they have dinner parties in Lambeth are as out of touch with the average Joe as the mega rich ruling class are.

When will they ever learn from all the backfires? My guess: never. Most of them are too far up their own arse to even understand there's a huge disconnect, let alone get down from their high horses long enough to work together... so much more fun to pretend to be 'above' all those silly white van driving peasants.


^ yeah pretty much a ramble, I don't spend too much time when it comes to this place, and having any meaningful discussion. In a nutshell these are the problems:

1. far right
2. far left
3. far left being about 2 degrees left of centre these days

in case anyone was in any doubt about what the Jew thinks of the white working class....here it is.

Why not go after the white middle and upper classes? Are they not low-hanging fruit? Are they not so easy to dismiss as "goyim"?

WTF has ?Jew? got to do with it ???

I never metioned Jews.

I am not Jewish.

You need help.

:2 cents:

I know you didn't.

The problem is that the Brexit supporters blatantly played the immigration card, not just during the run up to the vote, but for years in the press and from Farage et al. 30m Turks on the border etc.

Then Trump blatantly plays the immigration / race card during his rise to power. Mexicans are rapists etc.

So when people then rightly say that immigration, and in Trumps case racism, played a significant part in their poll success you have to admit that they have a point. In both cases they played a very powerful card.

You can justify it all you want, and yes lots of peeps made a protest vote that they now regret, but if you take the immigration factor out of the populations motivation during the Brexit vote then we stay in the EU.

and if you take the 'the sky is going to fall, markets will crash, we are all going to be skint' etc out, and all the students who literally thought they wouldn't be able to go to europe any more, and the vote is to leave.

and 'they now regret'.. lol... same referendum, same tactics from remain, and we vote leave. Those protest votes stay there, and would actually increase if there was ever a 2nd referendum.

'mexicans are rapists'. Now I know for a fact you are brighter than to parrot that line, yet you still do - why would you do that? That's just as bad as brexit claiming that we'd be able to put 30m a week or whatever it was claimed, into the nhs. Bullshit & distortion from all sides, that's another huge problem. Always has been in politics, and doubtful it'll ever end.

And I don't have to 'justify' anything - immigration did indeed prove to be a powerful point, in that most of the working class (including non white nglish) see the results of huge infrastructure problems. They may not even know what infrastructure problems even are, and a lot of them have no idea that it's *also* (not exclusively) due to longer life expectancy. The answer to those people? "you fucking dumb cunt piece of shit racist" <--- great tactic. Those people faced with that response? "you wont listen to us, so fuck you"

Screaming 'Racism' on the part of the noisy far-left did more to create animosity than any actual fucking racism. Call someone a thief when they genuinely aren't, and see the reaction you'll get when trying to get them to come round to any way of your thinking at all.

But, a powerful component does not make 'it was entirely about immigration' anywhere near a fact. The reality is, if remain weren't so far up their own arse, and didn't act intellectually superior (even if they *are* more fucking intelligent) to those they were trying to persuade, then even if every actual racist in the country voted to leave, the vote would have been remain. Actual racists in this country are a fast dying breed, but much like muslim terrorists are seemingly around every corner if you listen to the right-biasedmedia, thanks to those same fuckwits, just on the left rather than right, there's actually a racist who can't wait to 'send the pakis back' lurking 2 places behind you at every supermarket queue you join.

But yeah, dismiss everyone who voted as a racist etc - I do the same when I'm chucking my toys out the pram because things didn't go the way I wanted them to... a quick generalisation, and I feel superior regardless of the outcome.

She didn't want to dance.. must be a lesbian

He voted brexit - obviously a thick racist

He voted remain - talk about a snowflake tree-hugger

etc
etc
etc

Again, I'm not very coherent, I do realise that - think about the core points I'm making here, rather than my piss poor delivery, and realise that we tend to look for labels rather than reasons. Or don't, 'discussions' like these, especially on here, generally lead to nothing more than trying to look clever whilst throwing in a few digs, and actually change fuck all (much like the house of commons).

Btw this is actually a perfect example. Rightly or wrongly, a lot of people were concerned with what an influx of 30m people would do (I don't know the specifics, I intentionally ignored anything to do with immigration) - now, from what I *did* read, the answer to those people worried about:

school places
doctors apointments
hospital waiting lists
jobs
already stretched council services
etc

wasn't: ok, we have infrastructure plans.. or: jobs aren't actually threatened by insanely cheap polish building workers living 6 to a house... or: we have plans for councils to actually take away your rubbish more than once every 2 weeks, and if you miss a collection have to wait a month

it was: you racists, this country brought in a gajillion jamaicans in the 50s!

How in the actual fuck does that answer those people, and how in the actual fuck did remain think that screaming 'racist' over and again about people genuinely worried that the already shitty nhs is going to cope?

It's insane. Guaranteed every one of those people, the ones who genuinely aren't racist, and have no desire whatsoever to see all the 'foreigners' shipped straight off, felt cornered, humiliated, and went into fight or flight. The 'fight' this time being that gigantic 'well fuck you then' at the voting booths. Nobody, from the smartest person on earth, to the dumbest cunt alive, likes being told how to behave, how to think, and what to do. What everyone wants, is to be treated on a par with whoever they are dealing with, regardless of if they actually *are*. Getting called names because person A *thinks* person B thinks a certain way (fuck, how many times on this board, or across the internet, or in person, have people thought something about you that patently isn't true, but the other person has made up their mind, and that's now some 'fact'?) is guaranteed to create even more friction than was originally there, or to create it at all if there was none.

Like a wise man said to me, that people in general would do well to remember: stop doing other people's thinking for them, you are always wrong.

Again, that isn't all of it, but just as the immigration *was* a powerful component, so was the above.


* I'll give you idiot racist cunts like oppoten voted to leave though.

looks like this might be an eye-opener for some,popped up on my feed today and thought it was worth a share...

https://www.facebook.com/bbcnews/vid...0072133025613/

nurses: no capacity, no beds, we cannot safely look after patients, etc

emotional joe public: nhs is fucking great!

sane people: doctors and nurses do the best they can with an awful, bloated, mismanaged behemoth

So stop being tight ass Poms and go pay for a health insurance top up like people in every other funking country with a national health system, Its not the USA, I bet you will get full cover for less than a $1000 a year.

You have more chance of extracting penny's from stone than you do of an Englishman opening his wallet..

I have. Most people can't though, what with paying out their ass for the nhs. And let's not forget this thread was basically the nhs is great vs the nhs is not, and not actually anything to do with your post.

He lives in low income housing in the Netherlands.. His neighborhood is a no go Muslim zone under sharia law.

50% Australians have private health insurance, in the UK that figure is about 6%

Standard of free care is the same, both countries freely interchange nurses and doctors.

Free / Public or Private
UK 'in grip of worst flu season since 2011' - BBC News

All parts of the UK have seen rises in suspected flu cases since the turn of the year with Wales seeing the sharpest - close to a fourfold increase in GP visits to 64.9 cases per 100,000. The last time there was more flu circulating than this was in 2010-11 when swine flu, responsible for the pandemic of the year before, came back.
Hospitals are also seeing "very high" rates of admissions, officials said.

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Go back in 3 weeks and it all return's to normal again, the same scenario is playing out all around the world as it's been a particularly bad Flu season, worldwide.

USA:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/18/h...son-facts.html

Even more worrying, the hospitalization rate is the highest that the C.D.C. has ever recorded at this point in the season.


Enjoy your Aussieflu :P

:1orglaugh

Funny shit mate :thumbsup

This guy obviously doesn't know what he's talking about:

NHS Providers

I'll tell him not to worry, because in australia, 50% of people blahblah irrelevant to what we are talking about something something.

Good job you were here to clear all that up.

These clowns who work in the service are talking nonsense as well

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ter-interviews

It's just winter flu! The NHS is the best in the world, fact. Also dirt cheap, fact. No mismanagement nor waste - double fact.

So the English NHS is affecting the USA as well?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/h...-hospital.html

And again.. If poms took out more health insurance most of the issues would go away and the pressure is taken off the public health system, but ya's won't because its better to die with a penny in your pocket than without.

Two countries, both with free public health of similar quality.
One country has 6% taking out extra insurance one has 50%, and right there is the main reason you have such a problem in the UK. And by no way does that mean things here are much better with the NHS, that's why most have insurance as well.


eat it up.

As a business owner my contribution was never capped. I agree it includes pensions for some, but not me as i opted out of government pensions and went into a private pension when the government announced it was running out of money, about 30 years ago.

As a self employed business owner i never got sick pay. My point is that most Americans and some other countries think we get free health Care. We dont!!! As a UK citizen i could travel back to the UK if i needed serious medical attention and that would then be free, but there is a waiting period of 6 months to re qualify in which time you could die :helpme

and again.. this is 'is the nhs great or shit'... not 'should brits buy insurance, as well as paying an average of $6,000 a year out of their average wages of $41,400 equating to an average of 14.49%'. Nor is it is 'but what about this other country and their health service'.

I happen to agree that brits should take out private insurance if they can afford to, but that isn't the fucking back and forth here lol... that is the 'next' discussion, ie 'how do we change the nhs from being a bag of shit... here are some ways

1. cut mismanagement and waste
2. encourage more people to opt for private insurance
3. etc

Maybe if someone starts that thread, you can put your then-on-point posts in there. That would then be an interesting topic, and we could share overall tax expenses, and see who from countries with a national healthcare system is doing it smart, and who is doing it wastefully. Then we could bring up the interesting fact that aussies pay less income tax, and only 2% healthcare tax, according to https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-australia-us, which leaves a bit more in the kitty for private insurance. Which may well be horseshit, but throughout the thread we'd get some input to correct any misreporting or factual errors. Then maybe, in that thread, everyone could come in and take comment A, reply to it with off-topic comment B, and you'd be right at home.