Ya, no kidding.

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in the interim kids will be dying while guys blow hot air. locking the schools down will stop the killings :2 cents:

Fyi Dems have no control. The gop holds both houses,they did during Vegas and now. The bump stock is trying to throw a bone but it wasnt used this time. I think Trump would do alot more but he painted himself in corner.I read an article Don Jr told him not to do more,they know they need the NRA to win again.

Also a crazy person. Without a gun can't do as much damage as one with one.

And country music concerts in Vegas ?

Also the ACLU was in agreement with the NRA to repeal this.

Yeah serendipitous that few hours after that post Trump tasks the justice department on that. I think its because that's a layup that he can pass through and it shows he is doing something (really but not really)

Now the Dems honestly cannot be dumb and not take this. But they have really been going full retard lately so maybe they will try to add something related to Daca on it.

innocents and death isn't so funny to me :2 cents:

Cheaper lighter, more accurate

CHEAPER.

How about we make every single gun sold in the US cost $10,000? Now THAT would reduce gun crmes instantly. Make bullits $100 apiece. Solved. Next.

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The number of times the Democrats held power and did nothing.

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Most Americans want more control of guns. The gun lobby, which pays politicians, don't. Guess which sides win?

Americans, on this subject, display the vast difference in culture on guns.

The only long-term solution is to take guns away from the general public. It will take decades because it's a problem that has built over decades.

Lockdown schools and the shooting move to other locations.

Mental health can't protect everyone. Even in countries where the best mental health care is available, people still develop problems. Without anyone raising the alarms, without those who suddenly decide to go out in a suicide and take as many with them.

Going back to the Arms that were available when the Constitution was written is a sensible argument. Within a society as violent as America. True it won't 100% solve the problem, but it will solve it a lot more than the tinkering Americans propose.

Do you believe the Secon Amendment would have been written, as it is if they had known then what gun technology would deliver?

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School shootings didn't happen until after violent video games made their debut. Why isn't the video game industry being blamed for these school shootings? Is a 17+ rating adequate?

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to be fair mental illness happens in 100% of these mass shootings as well. nobody sane and level headed are shooting up schools en mass clearly. Unless you believe people are doing these for no other reason than convenience?

Because then that might to lead to Hollywood and their violent movies getting some of the blame.

The out-of-touch Hollywood elites (with their gate secured homes and armed guards) want to be able to look virtuous by calling for gun control for the lowly masses on the one hand while producing their movies full of gun violence for the lowly masses on the other.

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The problem is utterly simple.

Kids in the US play first person shooter games such as Call Of Duty. (I play COD nearly every day, have for years.) In such games they have access to high end weapons. They see these weapons in COD, in the movies, and they think that all of this is cool.

You can argue that kids around the world play such games, and they do. The difference is at age eighteen an American kid can go out and purchase a fucking AR-15.

In the debate on armed security guards, someone said they have this in Israel at ALL of the schools. And this is true. However, the armed security guards aren't there to stop mass shooters, but instead to prevent acts of terror. From what I've read about Israel, EVERYONE goes through firearms training yet it's very difficult to get a firearm for personal use. The age restriction to own a firearm in Israel is twenty-seven years old.

Just at random, I pulled information for firearms in France. It seems getting a firearm in France is difficult.

The root problem here is very simple - We are handing out assault weapons to eighteen year old kids ONLY because they want one.

yes on the other hand having your head sawed off in public is pretty easy to get involved with so there is always a trade off :thumbsup

Then why do these shooting happen only in America?

It goes deeper than that. A society that has a large proportion of people, that believes a gun is the answer. Removing guns from the general public is the only way. Someone has to prove they have a license to own a dog, drive a car, fly a plane, etc. But anyone can buy a gun. :upsidedow

honestly the only thing around here that seems to be utterly simple is..... like you got your gun when you were 18?

Societal illness.

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Tell that to Timothy Mcveigh...or the 9-11 terrorists

Truth. Crazies should not have guns. Period. But without guns some of them may become more motivated to look into bomb making techniques and other forms mass killing.



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this is not an argument.

because you can kill someone with a hammer does not mean you have to give them
even more dangerous stuff.

what did change since 9/11 ?
how hard is it today to fly and what a mess are security controls.

and believe me they WOULD forbid to fly if there would be an alternative.

planes are NECESSARY and there is no way to go around that. WHERE is the NEED for a gun?

i mean all numbers you see wherever tell you the same story. why can´t you just accept that USA is the country with the most gun homicides and mass killers.

in all history not even a fraction of americans have been killed from terrorists as from other americans. 9/11 is a big deal for you? ok why are the 100 thousand what got killed since then from other americans are not a big deal ?

in what kind of world you want to live when people seriously discussing to secure kids in schools with the army just because too many people use their right to have a weapon to kill other people ????

you prohibit to smoke a cigarette even outside because it COULD possibly kill someone - so why do you not expect killing from a gun ?

what a fuck is going on in minds what even THINK about such a nonsense ?

there are many many many examples of countries with very restricted laws and they do NOT have the problem - so WHAT other prove do you need for that?

tell me: and for WHAT needs an intelligent person a gun ???

a very simple question to test your Logic, pick A or B. which will stop a school shooting tomorrow?

A. another debate on gun regulations tonight
B. put national guard presence at all vulnerable schools in the morning

so this isn't a trick question ... A or B?

1) Hunting.
2) Pest control.
3) Sport shooting.
4) Protection.



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B now - no doubt- but that should not replace A and hopefully C as a result from A.

well every gun controlled country have hunters. but you nee a licence for that and it will not only take you a LOOOONG time in school - you will be also tested on your character - and if the is the SMALLEST doubt - no hunting
i don´t know what kind of "pest" you have in your country but we control that without guns

also fine - but with the nearly the same restrictions as the hunter.
and than you lave your gun in the sport center locked and you can go whenever you want there a shot as many holes as you want in a piece of paper.

protecting from OTHER PEOPLE WITH A GUN ????
so you buy guns because the other one have a gun.

than it would be a good idea if no one have a gun and rely in the police.

and sure - if you a a money transport driver or need protection for another good reason see: the hunter.

this is the way it is done in all those countries with homicide rates 99% less than in US.

and as you see IT WORKS !

I live in a country that actually still has wildlife unlike your country where you have killed it all off.



I live in a gun controlled country and sport shooter's guns are not locked up in the sport centre. They are permitted to carry them back and forth to the sport centre and keep them locked up in their home. Technically nothing to stop any one of them from going nuts one day and going on a shooting rampage.


So people only commit crimes with guns? What if someone comes at you with a knife? Or are you going to fight him off with another knife, if you have one? Your fists? Your purse? Or would you rather have a gun?

What about an unarmed man simply being able to overpower a woman and rape her? No weapons involved? Do you expect her to fight back only by clawing, kicking and screaming? Or would she be much more able to save herself with a gun?

And if you ban guns for everybody the criminals will still have guns because they're criminals and they don't follow laws to begin with.

A gun ban in the US will lead to a sharp increase in crime guaranteed.



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Well it would be B of course BUT (also starts with a 'B') define 'vulnerable schools'.

Inner city schools?
Rich white suburbs?
An immediate threat, an ongoing one or a possible one?

I am in agreement with your views on this subject. I just don't think there's enough National Guard units to protect even half the 'vulnerable schools' in this country. As far as I see it every school (and school age child) is vulnerable in this counry. :(

The President said in his speech that he does NOT want to have armed guards in uniforms all over our schools. It would no longer feel like school and more like a military camp.

His idea was to have a way to allow those teachers and coaches who have experience with firearms and already own them anyway allowed to CONCEAL CARRY on campus.

For instance, that coach in this latest incident. He loved those kids so much that he jumped in front of them and was shot to death saving them. Now imagine if he had his firearm holstered on his side under his shirt.
He could have went on the offensive as opposed to simply dying by taking bullets.

I think that it's a pretty good idea.
I ALSO think that schools need to "harden" up in other ways as well.

Whenever I would go to my kids school...I parked my car, walked onto campus, walked into the school, walked down the hallway to the office where I "checked in" and they gave me a stick on name tag.

That means I COULD have had a gun and just walked right in and started shooting.

How about student ID cards with bar-codes on them. And an entrance at the front where all the students come in through a turnstile swiping their cards as they enter.
And any parents visiting the school would be stopped right there to show ID, walk through a metal detector, and THEN get a pass to go on to school grounds.

Arming teachers no but your ideas at the end, YES. :thumbsup

Oh lol a survivor of the shooting tweeted that AR15s should be called "Marco Rubio's" because they are easy to buy...

What a burn LOL

I'm still not sure how I feel about armed teachers, but I like the idea of having all the doors lock and having the kids have ID badges they have to swipe to get into the building so all guests must enter through the main entrance. Hell, half the places I have worked during my life had a similar system.

so than tell what the difference is between usa and canada.
are canadians less crazy ? if yes another reason to take the americans the guns away.

in germany we do not have a speed limit on motorways - but we do not have a problem because drivers are trained and streets are good. IF that would be a problem - believe me germany would not be the last country in the world who does not have a general speed limit.

nobody looks here for a solution for a not existing problem - that is a big difference.

i think the answer is easy to answer with a contra question.
how many people you think would this school shooter be able to kill with a knife ?
and would he have dared to go in there with a knife and face hundreds of students?
have you seen this midget? 3 girls would take his knife away and kick his ass.

you will always find situations where you can say "it would habe been better if.."
also there are weapons what are not made to kill someone. gas sprays and
shockers and much more. but believe me - in such a situation would the victim not be able to find the gas or shocker in her handbag same as she does not find the gun.

so also NO good argument

no they will not - they also don´t do it in countries with gun control.
and even with this argument there are 99% less people killed.

you are probably right in that and this is the price they pay for centuries of misunderstanding the word "right"

but on the longer view it will change. and a lot of excuses can not be used anymore
(like: I thought he was a housebreaker).

and a lot of killings what happen in this "switchoff moments" where people are killing
without thinking just because they HAVE a gun in the near would not happen anymore.

i mean there are existing examples of a similar situation in england and even numbers from switzerland what had once the most liberal weapon law in europe.

there "NSA" and the people who did not want to give up their rights had the exact arguments as you have.
today, after they went this step, england is one of the countries with the less homicides in the whole world and even when switzerland had not such a problem (probably similar to canada) the homicides went down DRASTIC.

so how many more examples you need.
it works everywhere. show me ONE country in the world where it does NOT work.

i think apart from the fact that a school massacre can also be done when they come out from school we do not have to forget all other cases.
what about the church ? also close it and set guards inside?
what about the las vegas killer ? how do you want to protect the people what are killed from inside to outside?

if you compare this problem with drugs - you should allow to produce an import drug because the drugs are not the problem then. the people who take it are the problem.

i don´t know why you people are not able to think just logic in that matter.

Nobody is saying to "arm the teachers". But the percentage of teachers and coaches who are ALREADY licensed to carry a firearm...it seems foolish to NOT have them carrying their weapons with them in case of a madman entering the school.

I graduated in 1979. And in my highschool in central Florida, all the guys who drove pickup trucks had their gun racks in the back window of their trucks with loaded rifles in them. Right there in the parking lot of the school.
But nobody was shooting up schools then. It wasn't a "gun free zone" like it is now.

I think that's the argument being made for having the 10 to 20 percent of all teachers and coaches who already have hand guns being allowed to "conceal carry" in the school.
It no longer is an easy and soft target.

As I said, when I was in highschool this kind of thing didn't happen. Anybody that tried that would have been killed pretty quick.

BUT...now that killers KNOW that a school is a "gun free zone", it makes it a "Soft target".

You don't see many people walking into a gun show convention, or a police dept. and shooting the place up...they KNOW they will get shot back at.

The President pointed out that these killers are cowards at heart. They don't go after "Hard targets"...only soft ones. And schools are pretty damn soft these days.

Anyway, that's an argument being made by the President.
The only other way to stop this would be to repeal the second amendment, confiscate all guns, and then give it another 40 or 50 years for ALL the guns to finally be gone.

By that time...we will have a lot more school shootings taking place.

Why not simply harden them up NOW and put a stop to it. Then everybody can talk and talk in Washington D.C. about "gun control". (because that's all they ever do is talk)