Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22222669)

I don't think that's correct

Have 5 teachers trained and armed in every school, stop schools from being soft targets.

Schools are being attacked because they are soft targets.

You never hear about donut shops next to police stations attacked of Gun conventions attacked, it would be like gun shops getting robbed during open hours or gun ranges being robbed, it's pretty stupid

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22222537)

No, you said "do nothing" because you can't think of anything better than buying more guns.
Don't try to put words in my mouth; that's a tired old trick where you say stupid shit and claim I said it.

Can we profile school shooters?

Cops claim they can profile drug dealers so why not profile crazy fucks who sit in the class
room "cooking off".

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 22222693)

Back in my day....blah blah blah

Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 22222623)

Nobody has a solution for 'right now'. All we have is what can be done as soon as possible. No faculty in the nation has enough staff capable of handling arms no less in that kind of environment so I'm hoping that is not what you are implying.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22222615)

Maybe the war on drugs needs more guns then, right? :winkwink:


:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22222395)

When I was in highschool...the students had rifles in the window racks of their trucks in the parking lot. My math teacher Mr. Elliot openly carried a gun. As did the Principal of the highschool.

I don't know how many other teachers kept guns in their desks, etc.

I do know that a lot of students (including myself) carried pocket knives.

NONE of the things you said ever happened.
There were NO shootings at my school. There were no stabbings.

I graduated in 1979. Kids back then in small towns were raised with guns and knew how to handle them and respected what they could do.

These days? I think society has a problem. I don't know if it's caused by video games, or the media "glorifying" mass shooters and making them famous, or if it's an unintended consequence of gun control advocates (usually the fastest way to get someone to do anything is to tell them they can't)...but whatever it is, we need to figure it out quick.

I don't think that ANY of the things you listed would happen. It never happened in the past when schools DID have guns in them (there was no law one way or another in most states).
And in "my day" there was a lot of racial tensions in schools in Florida. And yet nobody got killed (got my ass beat pretty good by gangs in school a couple of times though).

One thing is for sure...sitting around doing NOTHING but arguing about "Gun Control" (which can't really happen in a meaningful way unless the Congress repeals the 2nd Amendment) is NOT working.

Let's harden up security for the schools and put an end to this nonsense.
We guard movie stars. We guard politicians. We even have guards on duty after-hours at car dealerships.
Don't you think we should guard our kids too?

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 22222967)

This is what happens when you dont pay attention. dont or cant read etc.

Every proposal I have seen has the guns kept in a secure locations) with finger print access so everything you mentioned that involved a purse, a stolen gun. pulling out a gun when a cra backfires, etc is just fear mongering...Ive said it before and I will say it again this is a public health issue NOT a gun control issue and until it is addressed as such nothing meaningful is going to come of it it really is that simple.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 22222967)

This is what happens when you dont pay attention. dont or cant read etc.

Every proposal I have seen has the guns kept in a secure locations) with finger print access so everything you mentioned that involved a purse, a stolen gun. pulling out a gun when a cra backfires, etc is just fear mongering...Ive said it before and I will say it again this is a public health issue NOT a gun control issue and until it is addressed as such nothing meaningful is going to come of it it really is that simple.

Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 22222249)

I am arming my cat , to protect her from the kids, that are protecting themselves from the teachers, that are protecting themselves from mass shooter .... or the government ...

Anyone can give me direction to the shop GUNS UNLIMITED ?

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22222765)

That's what I have for reference. What about you? Nothing?
That's what I thought.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22222985)

Yeah, school shooters probably wouldn't cut off a teacher's finger just to get some guns.

:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22222991)

Guns kept in a secure location would completely defeat the whole purpose. Also, I haven't' seen anyone say anything about this. I have seen nothing but people saying that the teachers would be able to carry their guns.

If the gun is in a lockbox and the kid walks into a classroom and starts shooting, don't you think the teacher is the first target?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22223059)

You sound like you went to a school that had metal detectors to get in

Originally Posted by kane (Post 22222991)

Guns kept in a secure location would completely defeat the whole purpose. Also, I haven't' seen anyone say anything about this. I have seen nothing but people saying that the teachers would be able to carry their guns.

If the gun is in a lockbox and the kid walks into a classroom and starts shooting, don't you think the teacher is the first target?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22223061)

The new guns safes allow you to get into them fast and this isn't about going into a particular classroom, it's about letting the shooting spread.

https://gearfireimages.s3.amazonaws....ea08ab029f.jpg

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 22223097)

Man...you guys are fantasizing about this teacher/commando thing happening. Jump on your Harley and drive it into a river.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22223217)

And what happens when a teacher goes insane and blows away their own classroom?

Just asking.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22222769)

No, just needs to end. The govt. has no right telling you and I what we can and can't do in our personal lives.
Just like when they tried it with alcohol...it caused a LOT of violence and crime.

The govt. IS the problem in the "War On Drugs". Thanks Richard Nixon. :(

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22222767)

You don't need but a handful of teachers who ALREADY own weapons to be able to conceal carry to provide a deterrence.
And we can also make it more difficult to enter school grounds in the first place.

We can definitely harden up the schools security in a lot of ways without making it feel like a prison. And that CAN be done "right now".

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 22222967)

This is what happens when you dont pay attention. dont or cant read etc.

Every proposal I have seen has the guns kept in a secure locations) with finger print access so everything you mentioned that involved a purse, a stolen gun. pulling out a gun when a cra backfires, etc is just fear mongering...Ive said it before and I will say it again this is a public health issue NOT a gun control issue and until it is addressed as such nothing meaningful is going to come of it it really is that simple.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22223061)

The new guns safes allow you to get into them fast and this isn't about going into a particular classroom, it's about letting the shooting spread.

https://gearfireimages.s3.amazonaws....ea08ab029f.jpg

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 22223065)

My dad was attacked in a parking lot by some piece of shit less than half his age, he was 74. He punched my dad threw the window of his truck several times and stopped when my dad pointed a S&W 40 at him. Cops got him later and charged him with elder abuse.

These shooters are cowards and only go to the schools because they are gun free zones, sorry you idiots don't get that

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22223263)

How does someone conceal an AR15?

Or will you send teachers up against people armed with AR15s armed only with a handgun?

Upgrading school security is an immediate plaster over a gaping wound. Gun owners can pay through a tax on guns.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22223217)

And what happens when a teacher goes insane and blows away their own classroom?

Just asking.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22223343)

"What if" Fucking theoretical horseshit while real people are getting killed NOW.

I am so glad I don't think like that.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22223341)

You are a dumbass sometimes Paul.
The point is that it's a DETERRENT.
And yeah...I'm guessing that the teacher/coach who threw his body in front of the bullets from the assault rifle in this latest shooting would have LOVED to have had a 9mm pistol in his hand instead of...nothing.

Nobody is "sending teachers" up "against" anybody. The whole point is to make the school less of a target.

But you don't really give a damn. You're only commenting inanely to be able to argue. You have nothing to contribute of any value to the conversation.

That's why you are a troll on GFY and won "Troll Of The Year". Pathetic bro. Get your shit together.

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 22223411)

Everyone should consider two scenarios :

When the shooting starts the teacher should ...

1. Immediately take out the gun and take up a firing position and tell the kids to get behind their desk.

2. Lead by example while directing kids to run to escape.


And if number 2 makes sense, could all class rooms have auto locking exit doors that only
open from the inside?

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22223553)

That would be an excellent idea. So the shooter goes into a school room that doesn't have an armed teacher and kills other children.

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 22223217)

And what happens when a teacher goes insane and blows away their own classroom?

Just asking.

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 22222395)

When I was in highschool...the students had rifles in the window racks of their trucks in the parking lot. My math teacher Mr. Elliot openly carried a gun. As did the Principal of the highschool.

I don't know how many other teachers kept guns in their desks, etc.

I do know that a lot of students (including myself) carried pocket knives.

NONE of the things you said ever happened.
There were NO shootings at my school. There were no stabbings.

I graduated in 1979. Kids back then in small towns were raised with guns and knew how to handle them and respected what they could do.

These days? I think society has a problem. I don't know if it's caused by video games, or the media "glorifying" mass shooters and making them famous, or if it's an unintended consequence of gun control advocates (usually the fastest way to get someone to do anything is to tell them they can't)...but whatever it is, we need to figure it out quick.

I don't think that ANY of the things you listed would happen. It never happened in the past when schools DID have guns in them (there was no law one way or another in most states).
And in "my day" there was a lot of racial tensions in schools in Florida. And yet nobody got killed (got my ass beat pretty good by gangs in school a couple of times though).

One thing is for sure...sitting around doing NOTHING but arguing about "Gun Control" (which can't really happen in a meaningful way unless the Congress repeals the 2nd Amendment) is NOT working.

Let's harden up security for the schools and put an end to this nonsense.
We guard movie stars. We guard politicians. We even have guards on duty after-hours at car dealerships.
Don't you think we should guard our kids too?