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Paul Markham 03-06-2018 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DraX (Post 22229780)
There's really no reason we have to be alone. EU and leaders have certainly pushed the limits so at this point, extreme decisions needs to be in work to reset the as you say "unpopular decisions" Also Yugoslavia is not a good example.

According to what you write there's only 2 outcomes, dictatorship of EU or being isolated like a hermit. EU always had the option to walk a different path, in that case rightwing parties wouldn't flourish and people wouldn't have to be concerned about the future.

Leaders in Europe is so out of reality, they're doing more faulty decisions than correct. They base their decisions on outside influence cause whatever they decide it's not for US.

Therefor it's about time they start losing power and gets overridden.

The EU negotiators are better than the UK negotiators. From the beginning, the EU has maintained a position of little compromise. But what does a hard Brexit mean? A switch to WTO trade rules, which impose a tariff of 10 on most goods going either way. That adds 10% on all EU goods entering the UK and with the GBP lower than the Euro it evens out. A position that will cost Europe millions of jobs and the UK fewer jobs as homemade products become more affordable than imported EU goods.

The numerous committees we have together means that no EU institution can share information with the UK. This means terrorism, health, environment, etc sharing with the fifth largest world economy.

It also means we don't pay the 50billion, honour our promise on migrants benefits, work permits, disruption to flights to places like Spain, Portugal who rely on British holidaymakers. No deal for the EU is a grimmer picture than it is for Britain, even though the immediate hit will hurt us. The longterm hit to the EU is suicide.

Sid70 03-06-2018 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d (Post 22230779)
I see you haven't been in the stare mesto of prague in a while :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh There was 1 african per 10m2 when I was last there.

And it's simply filled up with rooskies.

Sid70 03-06-2018 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22229143)
immigrants are a red herring. Are they? So let's look at the problems that face Europeans today.

Jobs. The coming of automation and globalisation has led to so many jobs disappearing more people + fewer jobs = crisis.

https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/ans...-1024x1024.jpg


CZ does very well apparently, the most actual:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-eu-countries/

pimpmaster9000 03-06-2018 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22232120)
The EU negotiators are better than the UK negotiators. From the beginning, the EU has maintained a position of little compromise. But what does a hard Brexit mean? A switch to WTO trade rules, which impose a tariff of 10 on most goods going either way. That adds 10% on all EU goods entering the UK and with the GBP lower than the Euro it evens out. A position that will cost Europe millions of jobs and the UK fewer jobs as homemade products become more affordable than imported EU goods.

The numerous committees we have together means that no EU institution can share information with the UK. This means terrorism, health, environment, etc sharing with the fifth largest world economy.

It also means we don't pay the 50billion, honour our promise on migrants benefits, work permits, disruption to flights to places like Spain, Portugal who rely on British holidaymakers. No deal for the EU is a grimmer picture than it is for Britain, even though the immediate hit will hurt us. The longterm hit to the EU is suicide.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

paul and his magic wand of cherry picking consequences...dude the UK main exports are machinery/cars/electrical/aircraft etc...half of the parts needed for your production are foreign...if you could produce them you would, but you cant so you dont...the parts got 10% more expensive and the export of the finished goods just got another 10% more expensive because of new tariffs plus you are now short of cheap labor...yeah thats gonna work wonders for your economy...

the GBP is not lower than the euro you complete lunatic LOL it does not "even out" in any way...the euro is only going to fall because of "miracle pill" politicians popping up like in italy LOL...cheaper euro = bad news for you guys...

literally nothing you wrote is true :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sarn 03-06-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22232594)
And it's simply filled up with rooskies.

https://pics.me.me/the-adventures-of...to-1576345.png

pimpmaster9000 03-06-2018 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 22233299)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

pimpmaster9000 03-06-2018 06:04 PM

1.25mil people are seeking asylum in the EU that has 508million people this is a whopping 0.25%!!!! and half of them will go home and the refugee numbers are down...


ALARM! INVASION!

there really is no other more pressing problem than refugees! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

its not a red herring at all just ask paul...when we get rid of those 0.25% it will be an economic boom...paul will start buying western products and not cheap china shit :thumbsup

https://i.imgflip.com/25vn4o.jpg

Paul Markham 03-07-2018 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22232594)
And it's simply filled up with rooskies.

I asked Eva about this and she said was it Ukrainians and Russian migrants. She hadn't heard of African or Asain illegal migrants living here.

Paul Markham 03-07-2018 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22232609)
CZ does very well apparently, the most actual:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...-eu-countries/

Three reasons for that. So many Czech people work abroad and so many European companies are based here and very few migrants legal or not. Because the benefits system is geared to people who have lived and worked here for a long time.

eric_wahlberg 03-07-2018 05:12 AM

Tackling Migration
 
Guys, if you seriously want to tackle Migration, you have to be strict like Austria or plain get out of EU.

Right parties winning is actually proof of this.

Sid70 03-07-2018 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22233700)
I asked Eva about this and she said was it Ukrainians and Russian migrants. She hadn't heard of African or Asain illegal migrants living here.

CZ was very popular in the end of 90th to immigrate via company formation. Even I was considering CZ and Slovakia initially, but went with Poland.

CZ business scheme has been insecure last time i checked, means a major applicant could get a visa while family members were given no guarantee, Slovakia wise - they run shit in Euro and everything goes close to Austria in terms of settling as a non-EU national, simply overrated.

I've been to Prague in 2016 last time and about 10 years before that - and it's went to shit. Ads all over in the central town, lots of Russians - it's epic how they love Prague like it was the next after Rome - Russians are simply obsessed with Prague for some reason. Polish town are much cleaner.

Sarn 03-07-2018 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 22233519)
1.25mil people are seeking asylum in the EU that has 508million people this is a whopping 0.25%!!!! and half of them will go home and the refugee numbers are down...
ALARM! INVASION!
there really is no other more pressing problem than refugees! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
its not a red herring at all just ask paul...when we get rid of those 0.25% it will be an economic boom...paul will start buying western products and not cheap china shit :thumbsup

LoL with 1.24 mil can build the army :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Sid70 03-07-2018 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22233702)
Three reasons for that. So many Czech people work abroad and so many European companies are based here and very few migrants legal or not. Because the benefits system is geared to people who have lived and worked here for a long time.

Lots of Poles work in the UK and Germany. I can't tell if that somehow affects the benefits for others living and working in the country.

Statistically, I heard, CZ has more doctors per person than Poland, can't tell about CZ but in Poland it's far from perfect, some stuff is much easier and cheaper to fix in Ukraine still.

Additionally, that fucked up system where an ambulance won't go your way unless you're collapsing - can't get that shit. Actually about paramedics - ambulance usually carry no doctor just personnel that is trained to keep a patient alive.

I drive via CZ every year, IMO, it looks fucked comparing to Poland.

Paul Markham 03-07-2018 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by eric_wahlberg (Post 22233746)
Guys, if you seriously want to tackle Migration, you have to be strict like Austria or plain get out of EU.

Right parties winning is actually proof of this.

Liberals and Lefties are bitching because the people don't like what they've done to their country.

Paul Markham 03-07-2018 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22233757)
CZ was very popular in the end of 90th to immigrate via company formation. Even I was considering CZ and Slovakia initially, but went with Poland.

CZ business scheme has been insecure last time i checked, means a major applicant could get a visa while family members were given no guarantee, Slovakia wise - they run shit in Euro and everything goes close to Austria in terms of settling as a non-EU national, simply overrated.

I've been to Prague in 2016 last time and about 10 years before that - and it's went to shit. Ads all over in the central town, lots of Russians - it's epic how they love Prague like it was the next after Rome - Russians are simply obsessed with Prague for some reason. Polish town are much cleaner.

Been to Poland and it is nice. It was the reluctance of Polish girls to doing porn that stopped us.

Paul Markham 03-07-2018 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sid70 (Post 22233760)
Lots of Poles work in the UK and Germany. I can't tell if that somehow affects the benefits for others living and working in the country.

Statistically, I heard, CZ has more doctors per person than Poland, can't tell about CZ but in Poland it's far from perfect, some stuff is much easier and cheaper to fix in Ukraine still.

Additionally, that fucked up system where an ambulance won't go your way unless you're collapsing - can't get that shit. Actually about paramedics - ambulance usually carry no doctor just personnel that is trained to keep a patient alive.

I drive via CZ every year, IMO, it looks fucked comparing to Poland.

The influx of EU migrants into the UK has meant a lot of Brits end up on benefits or low wage and benefits. Squeezing the Governments ability to spend more. Already many of the migrants from outside the EU are pensioners, further swelling the benefits system.

As you state Poland, Hungary, Czech only take in qualified people. So no pressure on tax revenues. Most of the new arrivals contribute in real terms.


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